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wingmanmac

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I remember the keynote Steve Jobs demoed itunes musicstore for the first time, and he said itunes will only have great music. It seems like this intention also died with him. There are more great music than Beatles and Dylan of course, but it sure aint Black eyes peas, selena gomez, or taylor swift. Itunes music should have promoted quality music of all genres, and maybe focused on not so famous and unknown artists with an actual talent instead, and let selena, ariana & co trending as much they want in youtube.:)
 

navaira

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Hey Apple how about some exclusive stuff that isn't rap or top 40 crap?
Exactly. How about funding videos for artists who can't afford to put together their own? Somehow I don't see Drake's label is strung for cash – ALL his albums plus last two mixtapes reached US #1. How about funding videos for Fish? Asgeir? Suzanne Vega? Tori Amos? Anderson Paak? Tame Impala? Escort? Vanessa Daou? I'm not even going to list myself, but really...
 

2010mini

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Any exclusive will be torrented within minutes of it being released on ITunes.

That's because we have a generation of people who think they are entitled to everything. If something is not available to me. I don't go and steal it.

Spoiled brats....[ /end rant]
 

Winni

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Why not get attention by doing something that truly raises the bar like, say, lossless streams?

Streaming itself is the problem. We don't live in a world where the "Evernet" is a reality. Mobile Internet connections are unreliable and bandwidth still is a problem. Streaming sucks by definition in that technical reality. A true innovation would have been to offer unlimited, DRM-free DOWNLOADS at a flat rate price. And let's face it: That's exactly what happens with any kind of music or video content anyway. Everybody should just accept it and support a culture flatrate.
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That's because we have a generation of people who think they are entitled to everything. If something is not available to me. I don't go and steal it.

Spoiled brats....[ /end rant]

That rant is about as old as it is wrong. Once that "exclusive" content ends up on YouTube and you watch it - are you stealing it? Once you use that Firefox plug-in to download the content from YouTube to store it permanently on your local hard disk - are you stealing it? When you record a movie that's aired on TV or record a song that's being played on radio - are you stealing it? What do you actually take away?

Tell me with a straight face that even when you were a teenager you never recorded a song from radio and never recorded a movie from TV, and I might take your statement seriously. But, well, that would make you the first person that I've ever met who has never done it.

The only brats that are moaning about "stealing" are... The record labels. The musicians have long moved on, because, let's face it, the mass of them NEVER made a decent living by selling records anyway, they've always earned their living by giving live performances.
 

MH01

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I hate to see music going the way of exclusives, because no one service will get them all. No one wants to join Apple Music, Spotify, Tidal, Google Play, and Amazon Prime just to listen to all their favorite artists. I'll stick with buying CDs before I subscribe to 5 music services.

Spot on.

What I find interesting is that the music industry plays these games with consumers, and complains why people pirate music. As you said , there is now way people will pay £50 per month to move to streaming to get music as its released. Big reason I own my music, this exclusive crap. And timed exclusives.....yeah tell HBO game of thrones fans they have to wait a week to watch the episode....hello torrent...shock horror people torrent ....

Maybe just maybe, drop the exclusive crap and build the best streaming service ....but hey why fix the problems while you can just patch over them with markerting .... Beats approach.
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All together now: "can't innovate my ass!"? When you dial in retro MTV gimmickry and mediocre artist exclusives into Apple Maps you are sure to be lead to the "intersection of all things relevant in pop culture." :rolleyes:

Seriously, I'm old, but do videos really have impact like in MTV's heyday? Are kids that devoted to them that an exclusive would have sway? Something tells me if a video was a big deal it would find it's way to kids no matter what anyway. Just seems like a desperation move to me. Why not get attention by doing something that truly raises the bar like, say, lossless streams? Trying to compete on content with all the other subscription services seems like a great way to burn cash.

I think you needed to grow up with MTV to appreciate your comment. Glad I did, and I agree.
 
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macpanzer

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Truth.

It's funny... people say Apple is always stuck waiting on Intel to deliver new chips. Well... umm... a dozen other manufacturers have been using Intel's latest chips for over 6 months.

But hey... at least Apple Music will get some exclusive artists. That'll make up for it! :D

And we have watch bands, how could someone even complain about no new computers :p
Makes me wonder, when are they going to release the first "pro" watch band...
 
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Shirasaki

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Spot on.

What I find interesting is that the music industry plays these games with consumers, and complains why people pirate music. As you said , there is now way people will pay £50 per month to move to streaming to get music as its released. Big reason I own my music, this exclusive crap. And timed exclusives.....yeah tell HBO game of thrones fans they have to wait a week to watch the episode....hello torrent...shock horror people torrent ....

Maybe just maybe, drop the exclusive crap and build the best streaming service ....but hey why fix the problems while you can just patch over them with markerting .... Beats approach.
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I think you needed to grow up with MTV to appreciate your comment. Glad I did, and I agree.
Those content holders imagine they can LITERALLY do anything using their content at hand. Should we limit this? There is no unlimited at anywhere in the world, including the ability to distribute copyright content. They should know they cannot do whatever they want, but sadly no one ever bother letting them know this.

So, a single 1500 yen CD could cost 3980 yen for apparently no reason. Same product. Why I need to pay that ridiculous amount just realize everything is identical when I can buy it a few days later and the price tag is 1500 yen? Those labels just use this privilege to do "whatever they want" and customers are always the one being screwed.
 
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MH01

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Nobody cares about lossless, total marketing gimmick.

But you're free to sign up for Tidal or other services.

Ha ha ha , lossless a markerting gimmick .

You either need you ears checked or upgrade your apple/original beats headphones .

Signing up to tidal while owning crap headphones is pointless.
 

RuffyYoshi

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"You always felt that Michael Jackson or Britney Spears lived there."

And now MJ lives in our hearts... Also there's Britney.
I just hope the new UI is good.
 

Tech198

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I hate to see music going the way of exclusives, because no one service will get them all. No one wants to join Apple Music, Spotify, Tidal, Google Play, and Amazon Prime just to listen to all their favorite artists. I'll stick with buying CDs before I subscribe to 5 music services.

exclusives means only Apple chooses what they think is right for everyone..
 

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I hate to see music going the way of exclusives, because no one service will get them all. No one wants to join Apple Music, Spotify, Tidal, Google Play, and Amazon Prime just to listen to all their favorite artists. I'll stick with buying CDs before I subscribe to 5 music services.
My hope is that they still provide a way to purchase and download. I no longer have a CD player in my computer and I will never subscribe to any music streaming service. I like to own. Most of these exclusive deals are only for a limited time (seems to be about a month or so) and I am okay with waiting for most music, but if they take away the download option that is a problem.
 
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stevet

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What you expect? One service to have everything everyone else has?

The reality is that Apple is innovating, Tidal also tried some things, but everyone else, is not!

It's not like OC grows on trees and Apple is profiting on that. Apple is making OC, and selling OC.

Maybe Spotify with it's 30 million paying subscribers + much more ad-supported subscribers would find some money and make something original, no?

Apple isn't making anything. The artists are making the content.
 

Zirel

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Ha ha ha , lossless a markerting gimmick .

You either need you ears checked or upgrade your apple/original beats headphones .

Signing up to tidal while owning crap headphones is pointless.

I am a man o science, I don't trust my ears.

Lossless for music reproduction is a total marketing gimmick.
 

rdlink

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MTV in the 80s and 90s? No wonder I have zero interest in Apple music and never have any idea who these supposed talented "artists" are. I never cared about or paid attention to MTV in the 80s or the 90s (or the 00s or the 10s) because I don't need a TV or radio station to tell me what music to listen to, I already know and own the music I like and have no need to "discover" aggravating obnoxious noise that is called "music" for some reason.

Not trying to be a jerk, but it sounds like you have a very small universe of music that you listen to. How did you discover that music in the first place? One of the things I like about Apple Music is the ability to experience new music that I hadn't heard before. I also don't listen to most of the noise out there these days, and it only takes me about 5 seconds to know I don't like something. But without new music discovery you're limiting your world, IMO.
 

KidAKidB

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Agreed, exclusives are not good for the consumer, but I'm sure all services would like to get them, if they could.

It's after all a tool to hopefully lure some customers away from the competition.
To my knowledge Google and Spotify both don't try to get exclusives. Show me an example of either one of them doing so...
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What you expect? One service to have everything everyone else has?

The reality is that Apple is innovating, Tidal also tried some things, but everyone else, is not!

It's not like OC grows on trees and Apple is profiting on that. Apple is making OC, and selling OC.

Maybe Spotify with it's 30 million paying subscribers + much more ad-supported subscribers would find some money and make something original, no?
The funny thing is that Spotify has been working on something original for years! They've been the ones doing all the leg work for music streaming. Apple was the last to join and are now trying to buy their way into the mainstream.
 

Jax44

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I'm not going to lie Tidal has superior sound quality compared to Apple Music and it's not even close.
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This!!! They've worked so hard to keep people from pirating now they are forcing people to pirate music again...and people care eve less about music now than they did before.

These " exclusives" typically last a week.
 

iMasterCheesus

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I hate to see music going the way of exclusives, because no one service will get them all. No one wants to join Apple Music, Spotify, Tidal, Google Play, and Amazon Prime just to listen to all their favorite artists. I'll stick with buying CDs before I subscribe to 5 music services.
That but instead of buying CDs, I'd hit up a local torrent site near you.
 
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