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Apple Modifies Software Update for Windows

cloudnine said:
something tells me that the "situation" surrounding a checkbox in Apple's Software Update, or my "defending" Apple's situation to keep the box checked, will hardly constitute an upheaval in protesters boycotting Apple products.

I adore the fact that I apparently pushed some random button of yours by using the word "lame". Go take a melatonin and a couple Valium. No need to get so worked up, toots. :)
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oh yeah toots, need toy? if you don't understand windows users, why pretend you can tell what they will do in this situation?

lame.
 
clevin said:
idk, IE can be a file manager?;)


ha, i don't give a *** about it, I avoid any apple stuff on my windows box, and guess what, whatever you want to defend, this type of behavior will only promote more windows users to just avoid any apple product all together...

lame. can't even tell whats good for the long term future of apple?
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Vista is doing a great job promoting Windows users to just avoid any Microsoft products all together... :eek:
 
clevin said:
oh yeah toots, need toy? if you don't understand windows users, why pretend you can tell what they will do in this situation?

lame.
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I'm not sure why that's your defense... that I "don't understand Windows users". I was a Windows user up until 3.5 years ago. What difference does that make? I don't care if you use Windows or Linux or OSX or an abacus. Unclicking a check box (abacus users aside) is hardly something to create a fuss about.

And sure, I'll take a toy :D
 
clevin said:
lame. can't even tell whats good for the long term future of apple?
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haha. The more I read from Clevin the more I like. I didn't realize you were thinking of what's good for :apple: all along. Why do they pay all those marketing gurus when they can just read this forum? dunno. billions to waste I guess. Whoever pays you tell them you deserve a raise.
 
Even still, Mozilla's Asa Dotzler believes Apple should not leave the software checked by default.
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Absolutely. Microsoft certainly doesn't push non-update extras like Silverlight and .Net on its users by default.

Oh wait.
 
gkarris said:
Vista is doing a great job promoting Windows users to just avoid any Microsoft products all together... :eek:
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No, it's not. But Apple deliberately trying to get users to install Safari is doing a great job of promoting people to avoid Apple apps. And it doesn't help that Apple apps don't follow HIG, either.
 
Too bad Sadfari isn't actually a superior browser. If it were this might not be such a big issue.

If :apple: wants to push something out there, then at least let it be a product that could fully replace IE or FF.
 
Honestly who cares, Safari's security is so terrible it doesn't matter. I'll take Firefox or Opera over either Safari or IE7 any day.
 
cloudnine said:
you're joking, right? that is the most asinine accusation i've ever heard. "don't try to sneak that software by the unsuspecting shlub." it says NEW SOFTWARE... AND IT LETS YOU CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO INSTALL IT.

dear lord, think before you speak.
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The users I'm concerned for are not users like you, cloudnine, nor users like me. It's an honest criticism of Apple, the kind of criticism I use on other companies that are preying on technophiles. The technophile may think this is some necessary component that they need to install, just like the spyware these dopes that use Windows machines install, because they think for some reason that they need it. Look, I'm a capitalist all the way; they absolutely have the right to do it. I just think it's awfully hypocritical of Apple to engage in the same kinds of business practices that they've lampooned in the past.

dear lord, read into context before you continually post to a dorky message board...
 
leddedup said:
The users I'm concerned for are not users like you, cloudnine, nor users like me. It's an honest criticism of Apple, the kind of criticism I use on other companies that are preying on technophiles. The technophile may think this is some necessary component that they need to install, just like the spyware these dopes that use Windows machines install, because they think for some reason that they need it. Look, I'm a capitalist all the way; they absolutely have the right to do it. I just think it's awfully hypocritical of Apple to engage in the same kinds of business practices that they've lampooned in the past.

dear lord, read into context before you continually post to a dorky message board...
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hah. i like the way you think.

regardless, i don't see it that way... but i've spent too much time in this thread as it is... heh. i'll just agree to disagree :p
 
All those people whining about just moments of your time being wasted to unclick a check box are clearly not running windows machines.

EVERY time that apple software update runs (which is often even on machines that are never restarted) you must unclick this ridiculous box in order to proceed. No other updates to the products that you actually have installed are even available. This is in actuality the I am going to pop up once a day box to update you that you still haven't installed my software box.

This is far more draconian than any bundled google or yahoo toolbar. It's even worse than a ton of the ad banners I have seen, because those will only ask you once if you didn't want to install it once it is over and the question is never asked again.

Those who are saying this isn't as bad as microsoft are incorrect, not even microsoft asks if you want to install silverlight over and over and over again. At no point in time is it ever a default install and it is always marked as optional.

Apple should be discredited for this, because this brings a whole new level of software pushing to the table. It makes me regret buying an Ipod and installing itunes in windows.

As a disclaimer, Yes I understand that I can uninstall apple software update.
 
Yes, you are correct.

nsayer said:
Absolutely. Microsoft certainly doesn't push non-update extras like Silverlight and .Net on its users by default.
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You are actually correct here.

The Silverlight kit and the .Net x.0 upgrades are in the "optional" section that you'll never see in the "express" or default configurations.

If you've already installed a .Net version, then important upgrades to that version show up in the default view. While it won't install or even ask about a .0 version by default, updates do show up.


nsayer said:
Oh wait.
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You should have stopped when you were ahead....
 
This whole thread reminds me how right I am to keep Apple software off my Windows systems. From the Quicktime nag-ware, to the Quicktime "sneak Itunes in at the same time" - Apple's arrogant disregard of the enduser is so obvious.

Apple-free, and loving it!
 
nsayer said:
Absolutely. Microsoft certainly doesn't push non-update extras like Silverlight and .Net on its users by default.
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You're right, MS just buys up websites and changes the original flash player used on that website to Silverlight and forces us to download their crap to view the media or were SOL. And to think some of you feel Apple is forcing a web browser down those poor Windows whiners throat.:rolleyes:
 
amoda said:
I have to agree with Asa. It's annoying and really just bad behaviour from Apple. If Microsoft was doing the same thing we'd be bashing them to oblivion.
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Uh, M$ did this exact same thing. Precisely the same thing, even the same kind of software. Forcing IE7 on us as an "update" instead of an optional new version.
 
clevin said:
just because windows users are victims of this type of practice, thats exactly why they hate it. and im serious.
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Oh, please. :rolleyes: Do you know any "normal" Windows users? Or just kids screwing around with games and a bit of hacking?

Most Windows users can't even find the Windows Update command, let alone have any idea what it is for.
 
HLdan said:
You're right, MS just buys up websites and changes the original flash player used on that website to Silverlight and forces us to download their crap to view the media or were SOL.
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I don't think that replacing the Flash crap with Silverlight is is even remotely similar to adding Safari to a system that has never installed it before.

JAT said:
Uh, M$ did this exact same thing. Precisely the same thing, even the same kind of software. Forcing IE7 on us as an "update" instead of an optional new version.
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Not the "exact same thing" at all.

If you're running IE6, the MS update put the IE7 update on the list of updates.

That is the essence of what an "update" is - to get a newer version of the software. Apple's screwup is for the "update" software to suggest installing a version of an application that has never before been on that system.
 
IE7 is not an update, it is a new version. Surely you've seen these 2 terms before and know what they are? This is the only up-front software (not things like .net) that M$ makes that is free. Are you going to find the change from Office 2003 to Office 2007 in "update"? Was Vista an update?

IE7 is so different it broke many, many entrenched IE6-based softwares that millions of business workers use every day. Drove IT departments nuts. Better now, a year later. But you still won't find it on my Dell.
 
AidenShaw said:
You're right - since about 18 months ago it was changed to the "Microsoft Update" shortcut and "Windows Update" no longer exists.
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Ooh, that one hurt. Now I'm all cowed and admit I'm a stupid idiot. :rolleyes:

btw, still says "Windows" on many, many, many computers. But you knew that, right?
 
JAT said:
IE7 is not an update, it is a new version.
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A new version of an application that you already have installed.

The point of this thread is that Apple is trying to push Safari to people who have never installed Safari.

Upgrading your running version of IE vs. installing an new app that has never been on your computer is the point...
 
JAT said:
IE7 is not an update, it is a new version. Surely you've seen these 2 terms before and know what they are? This is the only up-front software (not things like .net) that M$ makes that is free. Are you going to find the change from Office 2003 to Office 2007 in "update"? Was Vista an update?
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Uhh, is a "new version" of the same program you have not an update? It might no be an "update" itself, but it is updating IE6. People who ran Apple Software Update run it with the mindset of "updating" programs they already possess , not installing brand new ones, and its as simple as that. Don't try to turn this around to Microsoft, Apple is at fault.

IE7 is so different it broke many, many entrenched IE6-based softwares that millions of business workers use every day. Drove IT departments nuts. Better now, a year later. But you still won't find it on my Dell.
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IE7 didn't break it, the sites did not comply with web standards, because they were mostly used on IE6. As far as I know, IE7 complies with more "web standards" than IE6. You should see this as a good thing.
 
Arcady said:
Adobe tries to sneak in Google Toolbar/Desktop every time I install Acrobat Reader on a system. This is the same thing... annoying.
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Exactly. I think it should be checked off by default with maybe a line that invites them to try Safari too or something, but Apple is getting roasted for this when tons of other companies do worse crap like this all the time.

The real problem is Apple needs to add the sorely missing security phishing features to Safari like YESTERDAY!!! :rolleyes:

I'm glad PayPal is about to block Safari because of that. Now maybe Apple will get off their butts and fix it!
 
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