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Apple Music Media Event - October 16th? [Updated]

Re: Re: Re: Re: someone back me up here...

Originally posted by Damek
That's a good point, but still, with regards to the original question of porting Safari to Windows, if they want to avoid IE's engine, they could just use Mozilla's Gecko engine without spending a lot of time and money porting KHTML.

But who knows, maybe they have ported KHTML to Windows, due to familiarity? That means a Safari-Windows port would be easier to do, but still unnecessary and unlikely, I think.
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Why would Apple have to do any porting of KHTML? It was an open source project before Apple started basing Safari off it. So I bet it's already available for PC archetecture like the rest of the K-Desktop environment.

Someone on the open sorce end may already be working on a Windows version.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: someone back me up here...

Originally posted by SeaFox
Why would Apple have to do any porting of KHTML? It was an open source project before Apple started basing Safari off it. So I bet it's already available for PC archetecture like the rest of the K-Desktop environment.

Someone on the open sorce end may already be working on a Windows version.
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Why would they have to port it? Because KHTML doesn't exist for Windows. It came from KDE, a desktop environment for GNU/Linux. It has nothing to do with Apple - KHTML won't run on Windows without porting the engine to the Windows architecture and building a browser around it.

Yes, there is a KHTML-win32 project, but it's been inactive since around January 2003. There don't seem to be any other efforts, though the last time I googled for khtml on windows, I found a couple of archived email discussions about such an undertaking, and everyone involved seemed to be horrified at what a daunting task it would be to make KHTML run on the Windows API model. Those seem to be gone from the current google results, but I suspect it wouldn't have gotten any easier, unless they were wrong to begin with.

I may very well be wrong, maybe it would fit some long-term strategy for Apple to help the open-source community port KHTML to run on Windows, but I just don't see it. The Windows HTML rendering engine would seem to be the way to go, or at least the Mozilla Gecko engine if they wanted to avoid the all-too-visible hand of Microsoft.
 
Ok, everyone slow down for a second.

I don't know where anyone got the idea that iTunes Music Store is dependant on Safari, but it is certainly not so. Just because the iTunes has pictures and text that are clickable, and interactive, does not mean it has ANYTHING to do with HTML or any other web format.

iTunes in fact uses a proprietary method to transfer all the information from iTMS to iTunes, it has nothing to do with a web browser. I can't believe how far this falsified information spread and how many actually believed it. Repeat after me: iTunes has NOTHING to do with Safari.
 
iTunes WMA icon

there's a wma icon inside the iTunes app's resource folder. right-click the itunes icon in your applications folder, choose "show package contents" and browse into the resources folder.

what is it doing there? :confused:

i don't see any evidence that iTunes uses webcore or KHTML, for that matter. the iTMS came out before Safari 1.0, which was the first version of Safari that installed the webcore extensions into the system.
 
As a business point of view, iTunes gift vouchers/pre-pay mobile phone style cards are a very good idea for Apple. not only does it guarentee that the value of the card is spent in the store, but they get all the money up front. This means for all the cards out there they are making interest on your money before you soend it, but also the nickle and dime transactions (ok 99 cents) will cost more to process (a certain amount of each transaction will go to the credit company) while handling bigger transactions (10 20 50 whatever $'s) will mean only one transaction going through, whether by cash or credit. I'm not a business student so i'm not 100% sure this is correct but I studied e-commrce and I'm pretty sure this is how it works.
 
Re: iTunes WMA icon

Originally posted by LoopHoles
there's a wma icon inside the iTunes app's resource folder. right-click the itunes icon in your applications folder, choose "show package contents" and browse into the resources folder.

what is it doing there? :confused:

i don't see any evidence that iTunes uses webcore or KHTML, for that matter. the iTMS came out before Safari 1.0, which was the first version of Safari that installed the webcore extensions into the system.
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got a link?
 
To clear up some confusion

To clear up some confusion:

- Quicktime for Windows can play AAC (since version 6.0 or 6.1)

- iTunes does not allow you to convert protected AACs into unprotected MP3s, that would somehow defeat the purpose wouldn't it?
If you want an MP3 CD of your protected AACs, you'll have to burn an audio CD, then rip the songs again as MP3s, and then burn them. You're loosing quality (compressing twice), and it is a bit of a hassle, but that is the point. Circumventing copy-protection mechanisms shouldn't be easy and lossless.
 
Hmm anyone else think something else will be added as well?

It just seems to me that iTMS wouldnt be enough of a big announecment. We already know it is coming. I feel like they will announce something else as well perhaps an addition to the store. I can foresee the following in my head...
"...so now we have deliver the coolest legal music store ever for windows. Oh and one more thing... we didn't want to stop with music. So, now you can also get movies via the new iTMediaStore! We have combined the music store with a state of the art movie buying experience as well using QT/Pixlet technology. Oh and you can burn the movies onto your DVD-R superdrive! Movies will be priced at 4.99! We hope you enjoy the new experience!"

Now that would be mind boggling uber cool :)

It's only a matter of time before they start offering movies in the store as well. It only makes sense. It may not be next week but it's coming, all the ground work tech wise has been put down.
 
I think it was even present before iTunes 4.
 

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Double the music?

Anyone hear hints that one of the additional announcements at this event will be a massive increase in the ITMS music library (IIRC, only AppleInsider is reporting that)? IMO, that's just as important an advance as iTunes for Windows. Easily, one of the biggest gripes I've heard from people (and from me as well) is that there are so many missing bands/albums in the music store, including partial albums and whatnot. I'd love to see iTunes for Windows, but I'd be as happy to see an improvement in the music library.
 
Re: Re: Confirmed.

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Not sure how that actually confirms anything...

:confused:
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I have never seen MAccentral report something that didn't come true, have you? If I am wrong, I'll eat my words but my experience is that whenever they report something, it's true.
 
Re: Re: Will there be a charge?

Originally posted by Iceman06
They would be absolutly stupid to charge for iTunes. If they do then it will bomb big time. But I don't think they will.
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My guess is it's free and they have already burned the CDs to include it with iPods.

Apple should include 5 free iTMS songs with every iPod purchase to get people there.

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Originally posted by kherdin
Ok, everyone slow down for a second.

I don't know where anyone got the idea that iTunes Music Store is dependant on Safari, but it is certainly not so. Just because the iTunes has pictures and text that are clickable, and interactive, does not mean it has ANYTHING to do with HTML or any other web format.

iTunes in fact uses a proprietary method to transfer all the information from iTMS to iTunes, it has nothing to do with a web browser. I can't believe how far this falsified information spread and how many actually believed it. Repeat after me: iTunes has NOTHING to do with Safari.
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I think you're quite wrong here. iTMS pages are basically HTML. The entire iTMS system is built with WebObjects, a web application framework.

Think about it and it makes sense. Why would Apple create a completely different rendering system for iTunes when they already have one for Safari? implementing iTMS as a web app solves so many problems that they would have been dumb not to do it this way.

First of all, if they had to they could offer the store independantly from iTunes. Say if the Windows version just wasn't coming along.

Second, by using HTTP over port 80 they make sure that iTMS works from behind almost all firewalls.

Third, By using an OS wide page layout engine they reduce work for the iTunes programmers, and make updates to the store much easier since they will usually only have to update the servers, not the clients.

Look at the way the New Music Tuesdays emails match the store. Look at the variety of pages within iTMS. Look at itms:// urls. iTunes definitely uses WebCore.

I also think that iTunes for Windows uses a WebCore port. Think about how good WebCore must be to support the iTMS. The iTMS pages may look a lot like normal HTML (I wish I could see one), but they must include a lot of hooks for iTunes to work. Contextual menus are disabled, browsing song lists work like normal iTunes browsing, there's little scrolling areas of pages, the album promo ads at the top of the page fade in and out (DHTML can do some of this, but I've never seen it work so well).

If iTunes for Windows uses IE, and IE can do all this as well, then IE is better than I thought.
 
Originally posted by goodvoice
Hey, maybe we're going to see the Music Store for Canada, who knows. Apple shouldn't forget that we exist...
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Anyone can miss Canada, Marge! All tucked away down there...
 
Re: Re: Re: Another Nice Addition

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Hmm...
Here's an interesting thought. I buy a pre-paid card and have it sent to my address. Then, I send it to my friend in Barcelona. Because the card was registered to my address (in the USA), would my friend in Barcelona now be able to use the iTMS, before iTMS-Europe is online?
Hmm...
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I don't think so. The Barcelona user would need an iTMS account, which requires his own credit card, which is what determines location.

Unless, of course, that gift card purchase effectively opens a new account in iTMS. But then, users would have to be able to handle multiple iTMS accounts on a single computer, which isn't likely to happen given the current setup ...
 
Apple event at the Moscone Center

So, how does one go about getting into the Apple Event next week? I live in the bay area and wouldn't mind attending.

I have a feeling it is for the media though.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: someone back me up here...

Originally posted by Damek
That's a good point, but still, with regards to the original question of porting Safari to Windows, if they want to avoid IE's engine, they could just use Mozilla's Gecko engine without spending a lot of time and money porting KHTML.

But who knows, maybe they have ported KHTML to Windows, due to familiarity? That means a Safari-Windows port would be easier to do, but still unnecessary and unlikely, I think.
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I am a web developer (creative director) and use a Mac. All of the developers in our company do not. It is like pulling teeth to get them to test their work on Safari on a Mac (we have a few kicking around for testing). If there was a Windows version I think it would be an easier sell to get them to test their work on Safari on the PC (hoping that everything renders the same)....

If Apple didn't want to piss off MS they could just release a 'developer' version of Safari for this purpose, and members of the general public who wanted it could grab it.

In summary: Safari on the PC is a good thing ;)
 
Actually, you can get a pristine MP3 from any downloaded AAC in @ 1 minute.

All with Apple Software that comes on every Mac.

I showed an engineer from apple when I was at the Santa Monica store. His response was "Oh. My. That's not good. Don't tell anyone."

So I won't.

But I will say it's done with No third parties. No weird ass hacks. just strait up iSoftware.
 
I think the new iPod will be able to play back surround sound format which you'll be able to download from the Apple store.

The iPod will also be either be Dolby Headphone or SRS Headphone enabled.

A new codec that Pixar and Apple have been working on will be used for the Surround format....

That 4.5MB per second rate was the awesome product of Pixlet, a codec developed by engineers at Apple and Pixar, Steve Jobs's animation studio. Pixlet is in QuickTime 6.3, which is built into Panther, the next release of Mac OSX, due out before the end of the year.

... This is actually wishful thinking on my part. But your never know, there have been rumors that Apple has been looking at going 5.1 on their music store.
 
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