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Apple Music Sing Limited to Latest Apple TV, Not Coming to Older Models

Probably an excuse to get people to upgrade since Apple Arcade isn’t giving us a reason.

Also Animoji Karaoke could be a hit but Apple doesn’t seem to care.
 
fwmireault said:
not implementing this relatively simple feature?
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Maybe it's just me but this: "Users now have control over a song’s vocal levels." does not sound simple if the processing is being done just in time. Easy to describe does not necessarily translate into easy to accomplish. (I should add "done well" is difficult. The traditional means of removing vocals from a stereo channel, IIRC, involves summing the center panned sound to its inverse and only kinda works. I might be misremembering.)

If it is an on the fly process, it'll be interesting to see if they can (or will) eventually provide a means for dropping out other parts, say the drum track or lead guitar. For musicians this would be a big deal and really helpful for practice.
 
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Disclaimer: I bought an AppleTV 4k 2nd gen back in March.

Why can't they run this 'machine learning' against their entire library on Apple's end? The experience/needs of karaoke groups will be mostly identical for the same song.

This is extremely inefficient, delegating nearly identical analysis across millions of devices (and each time you play the song?). Plus, wouldn't we get better results/quality control if everything was done en-masse on Apple's end?

The last AppleTV 4k came out just over a year ago, and it was already overpowered then.
 
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TheMasterTerrarian said:
The A12 has 3 gb of RAM while the A13 has 4gb. That may not seem like a lot, but this is a tv running mostly very basic apps, not a computer where you need a lot of ram to multitask. It’s still plenty of ram for running this new feature.
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3gb is shared with gpu

4k resolution means more memory usage than what iPad and iPhone uses. especially true when running live animations and special effects on screen.

plus apple tv processes secure homekit video in the background and runs ML tasks for notifications. iPhone does not.
 
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geartau said:
2021 model used a 2018 chip so that you're not paying $300 for a set top box.
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I understand that but the A15 isn’t much faster than the A12, the average person wouldn’t be able to notice much of a difference. Also iirc the Apple TV version of the A15 has one less core
 
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MacRumors said:
Apple Music Sing will only work with the latest Apple TV 4K model, which was announced in October, according to Apple's press release earlier today. The limitation will mean customers of older Apple TV models will miss out on the new feature. Apple Music Sing will also be available on the iPhone 11 and later and the third-generation iPad Pro and later.
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Apple Music Sing will be available later this month to Apple Music subscribers worldwide, and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K.
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How could Apple issue a press releases saying it will work on any iPad/iPhone and then say it only works on the newest Apple TV 4K? IMHO this appears just to be a marketing gimmick to advertise the 3rd gen Apple TV.
 
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centauratlas said:
It isn't though, it is doing a lot of realtime processing to pull out just the vocals and adjust them. Whether it needs the current ATV, that's a different story.


Apple Music Sing includes:
  • Adjustable vocals: Users now have control over a song’s vocal levels. They can sing with the original artist vocals, take the lead, or mix it up on millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog.
  • Real-time lyrics: Users can sing along to their favorite songs with animated lyrics that dance to the rhythm of the vocals.
  • Background vocals: Vocal lines sung simultaneously can animate independently from the main vocals to make it easier for users to follow.
  • Duet view: Multiple vocalists show on opposite sides of the screen to make duets or multi-singer tracks easy to sing along to.
Apple Music will also be launching a suite of more than 50 dedicated companion playlists featuring all of the epic songs, duets, choruses, and anthems that have been compelling people all around the world to sing — fully optimized for the Apple Music Sing experience.


www.apple.com

Apple introduces Apple Music Sing

Apple Music Sing is an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with real-time lyrics and adjustable vocals.
www.apple.com
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Asian karaoke boxes have been doing all of these with computers way weaker than the current Apple TV for decades.
 
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how are they doing these? like do they have master tracks they are mixing or is it ai engine driven to remove vocals?
 
Realityck said:
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How could Apple issue a press releases saying it will work on any iPad/iPhone and then say it only works on the newest Apple TV 4K? IMHO this appears just to be a marketing gimmick to advertise the 3rd gen Apple TV.
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It’s only available on iPhone 11 and later.
 
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Lol - pure planned obsolescence. The ML cores in the A12X (iPad 3rd gen) are exactly the same as in the 2021 Apple TV 4K (8 core with 5 tn operations per second) and this isn't exactly going to be taxing the CPU/GPU. As has been posted, there were WinAMP plugins doing this kind of thing (removing vocals and utilising visualisations) 20 years ago on a sub-1Ghz Pentium III!

As a workaround, you can probably just airplay the feature from an iPhone/iPad to the Apple TV and do it that way but why? No one is going to upgrade for this when that option exists.
 
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It's unclear why only the latest Apple TV is supported, especially since Apple Music Sing is ideal on a large TV screen with friends and family gathered around.
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Getting specific information about what changes between Apple processors can be hard, but the previous model used an A12. Maybe — just maybe — more than doubling the transistor count helped?

My guess is that it's the neural engine (twice the cores, probably way more than twice the performance), but who knows what other capabilities Apple added.
 
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