The significance of being second in a two tier world is also called last. The amount of significance I leave to subjective opions, in the whole ICT hardware and services apple accounts for merely a few % at most. This will have no impact on any country when apple decides to withdraw.iOS market share is just at 40% ish - number 2 in a 2 system world. Hardly anything, right?
Market share of mobile operating systems 2010-2023| Statista
Android's market share of mobile operating systems in the Netherlands increased constantly since 2010 until 2019, when it started decreasing, and as of 2023 it stood at ***** percent.www.statista.com
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Apple wouldn’t pursue the market if it weren’t interesting for them. They’ll adjust their product as usual I assume.
Apple pursues a Mac business that used to be single digit percentages in many places too. Having almost every second smartphone being an iPhone is pretty ideal for a high profit seeking company like them. We might consider this last in a two horse race but they’ve always been after profits rather than market share.
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The problem is that new dating apps are considered spam apps unless they offer something innovative, but Apple does not define spam apps and can just deny all new dating apps if it wants. Basically, this is only a win for all dating apps on before the rule change last year.
You got most of this wrong, imo, in this ping pong exchange But such is life on the internet. We’ll see where this goes.
Oh the good old Apple centric hyperbole. With out it the world would be chaos hehehe.
Like some other poster I got a bit puzzled on “why focused on dating apps?”. I guess that may be because the actual date does not manifest it self within the iOS realm but in some restaurant and than … fingers crossed … bed? Wasn’t Apple that argued at one point that the reason why it does not charge 30% on the sale of physical goods and services it’s because they aren’t delivered and experienced within App Store and iOS? Something of sorts … guess not.
Without meaning, this Dutch situation just shows how directed are the App Store policies and how manipulative of the market Apple has been when addressing developer and the public in general. They can if they ever wish set charge for any transaction within iOS, from a music file to people buying medication … There is no legal framework for App Store like businesses … actually there is but it seams that governments are very reluctant in applying it.
Common sense would say no business can force charges for goods or services not delivered … the practice of doing such thing is called extortion. Definitely Apple is not delivering, selling or even promoting dating services so why the hell is the company forcing 30% charges of these transactions … they have done what for it? Is the App Store selling or even facilitating dates? Of course not? Oh they have built a general purpose OS and SDK … yes indeed … what’s than cost of a development license for commercial software purposes , what’s the cost of hosting and distributing the App … 30% of the cost of dating arrangement … of an apple, an OLED TV? Kekeke
Hehehe, hehehehe. Have people lost the common sense amongst the smokes and mirrors created by big tech.
Happy festivities.
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The goal of anti-trust is to remedy the anti-trust behavior, which may or may not reduce revenue. This is playing Robin Hood.
My Cuban cigar humidor says you’re incorrect.
Well, first of all, it's not worth talking about a $99 development member fee when applied to a business. A developer who sells a $3.00 app to kids for fun may balk, but a developer who sells his products for a living isn't going to worry about paying a couple of dollars a week to Apple. The average professional developer makes six figures a year, and 30% of the gross price to the customer is not unusual for advertising, independent review for security, and error checking, as well as delivery and payment. Maintaining the App Store, employing and training personnel to check for flaws and verification of compliance do not come free. No one is preventing Google, Amazon, or any other company from competing with Apple's offering at a lower price.
What I don't understand, though, is the concern about inside or outside the store. Apple charges 30% on the initial price charged to the end user inside the App Store. Some developers choose to offer additional add-ons like additional weapons, additional armor, elixers for an additional fee. For some developers, presumably, these add-ons contribute to the longevity of the game by keeping it fresh. On the other hand, some developers, presumably, could submit stripped down introductory versions of their offering paying 30% of a relatively small initial price, and dodging paying 30% on the additions. For Apple, presumably, this means having personnel review the changes to the app to ensure that the add-ons have not compromised the app as a whole, an additional cost to Apple which would not be funded. Apple would also not be compensated for its share of the full value of the revenue of the complete application. Both of these concerns disappear when Apple is paid for 30% of the full value of the revenue generated by the application.
The prostitution mafia has always been influential.
Judging from your avatar I assume you have insider knowledge?
Well that is the closest value one has to a software development license. One simply does not know what’s the cost of an iOS license for software development purposes.
1) I don’t understand how a developer that has a business $100K, supposedly his salary is not concerned with $30k a year for a development license for commercial purposes, app hosting services and transaction fees.
2) If you have a business, say a 2.000.000 a year, 600K just for that is really a high price if you consider the market of app hosting and software development licenses … its a faction of that. That is 6 developers that could be hired to create more value for their customers.
Yes. But how much does that cost.
Albeit true its meaningless to digital services. They don’t make their options based on how much a software development license costs, but where their customers are (the phenomena). Their customers use both Android and iOS that is where they need to be to compete. Apple its simply leveraging on the fact that they own the OS that powers the customers devices to than charge business margins over third parties businesses.
Yes. But what is the connection between the value delivered by the App Store and the value of these digital assets? I honestly don’t get it. For me its total fabrication / speculation. It’s like attributing 30% of Tim’s market value to water.
Let’s say we have a clean sheet policy.
From the point of view of a business I get the value of the App Store as a device that developers can use to distribute their apps regardless of the purpose. Quite similar to Web Site hosting. In fact itif you measure the data you download from a site when visiting it, you may be surprised with how similar it is to some app that are on the App Store, it just that happens every time you visit it, not once to download and install. Go and check the prices of these services.
I also get the value of payment and billing services as provided by the App Store. It is useful … but go and check the prices of similar services.
You will find that is way way beyond the prices used by similar services. Now, how can Apple manage to pump these prices to such a degree? Well, its compulsory + the phenomena mentioned above. These combination allowed Apple to charge for value that do not deliver, such as dating services.
One would reasonably think that the economies of scale would be used to empower the market by lowering the fees and foster better apps… but hey. What its happening is that its being used empower greater and greater profits for Apple and help them build competing services against third party devs. So it’s looks a bit like having third parties betting against themselves in the long run.
My opinion of course.
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Why are we still having this conversation.
It it basically 15%* for about a year now.
* Yes, 15% for companies earning less than 1 million USD per year.
Can confirm cause I tried to submit one myself, haha
Offer a good and (cost-) efficient in-app payment system with fair competitive pricing and developers will come, embrace and use it.
Force down your non-competitive commission rates down their throats, and the lawmakers and courts will eventually step in with competition law.
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It’s call android.
So far not successful in the US.I don’t see regulations limiting fees and commissions on non-essential services such as cars.
Nuno Lopes wrote: Well that is the closest value one has to a software development license. One simply does not know what’s the cost of an iOS license for software development purposes.
1) I don’t understand how a developer that has a business $100K, supposedly his salary is not concerned with $30k a year for a development license for commercial purposes, app hosting services and transaction fees.
2) If you have a business, say a 2.000.000 a year, 600K just for that is really a high price if you consider the market of app hosting and software development licenses … its a faction of that. That is 6 developers that could be hired to create more value for their customers.
Cartaphilus: Apple has reduced its 30% fee to 15% for those developers who generate less than $1 million. Just FYI.
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1) I don’t understand how a developer that has a business $100K, supposedly his salary is not concerned with $30k a year for a development license for commercial purposes, app hosting services and transaction fees.
2) If you have a business, say a 2.000.000 a year, 600K just for that is really a high price if you consider the market of app hosting and software development licenses … its a faction of that. That is 6 developers that could be hired to create more value for their customers.
Cartaphilus: Apple has reduced its 30% fee to 15% for those developers who generate less than $1 million. Just FYI.
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So you agree Apple's system isn't?
That it's not fairly and competitively priced?
Smartphone apps (or the relevant platforms and ecosystems they're part of) have become "semi-essential" today - but aren't deemed essential by everyone.
And the US are often more lenient on companies' policies and market behaviour, preferring a somewhat higher degree of economic freedom.
That's why I wouldn't expect them to be at the forefront of regulation of app marketplaces, despite the relatively high market concentration and Apple's relatively high market share compared to other markets.
No, the price is the price. There are alternatives to being a creative software developer.
Smartphones are basically essential. An iPhone is not as evidence by the world wide market share of android vs iPhone.
Are you saying the US doesn’t legitimately inhibit earning potential where legal?
Somehow i don’t believe you would like to have your compensation regulated.
It’s easy for a third-party payment system to charge the bare minimum when they don’t have to contend with the costs of operating an App Store.
From a consumer perspective, I feel that the iOS App Store is both closed and open in just the right places that afford me the most convenience and security.
At the same time, I disagree that the App Store should be a loss leader or be subsidised with iphone profits. Whatever the break-even point is, it likely won’t be below 15% either way, and developers are still going to complain so long as they have to pay any more than the 3% that PayPal or stripe charges.
It shouldn’t simply be a race to the bottom, but about coming to an arrangement that represents the best compromise for all parties involved - Apple, consumers and developers.
The lawmakers are wrong.
No one on earth forces anyone to use it. Apple is vary clear from the start what their deal is.
Exactly. Developers know what they're getting into. They know about the 15% or 30% cut... they know the rules about what kind of apps are allowed... etc.
And millions of developers come on board.
No one is tricked into becoming iOS developers.
So 98% of App developers pay Apple 15% and the top 2% earners on the App Store pay 30%. Personally I find this sliding scale to be more than fair.Well that’s objectively false. 98% makes less than 1 million
Apple’s App Store revenue share from developers earning under $1 million is just 2%
This comes following Apple’s announcement that developers earning less than $1 million annually would be entitled to 85% of the revenue share.www.thehindu.com