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I'm also curious about people who are crying for Leopard to show up so they can get a new something or other.

Why? Do you really want your brand-spankin-new hardware to come with a fresh *.0 OS, complete with bleeding edge bugs? When you could get brand-spankin-new hardware with Tiger whose troubles are largely worked out by now, enjoy it for half a year, and buy Leopard in the fall/winter after it's had a few months to have any of its own major problems ironed out.

I'm hopin' they update the minis (and whatever other hardware needs a bump), let me enjoy it on solid Tiger, release Leopard in summer and let all the early adopters bang their heads against it, and then I can get Tiger in Nov/Dec when it's more stable and it's clear what it can do.

No matter what anyone says, this is a perfectly valid way to approach computer purchasing for 99% of consumers, and one has to be pretty shortsighted to deny it. That's no dig on people who like the brand new stuff right now; in fact, the rest of us learn a lot from them...but I too like stable system software, and Leopard will be just as new to me six months later.

Probably see that at MusikMesse later this month.

Don't forget that the main rumor regarding the release of Logic at MusicMesse was originally posted in a French blog (one with a decent track record), mistranslated, and spread across the English-language Mac-web with the exact opposite message of the original text: i.e. the blogger wrote quite clearly that he knows for sure Logic will NOT be released at MusikMesse.

I don't know #$@% about the quality of this rumor one way or the other, but I can say for sure that a whole lot of people got really excited over a poorly-done computer translation :D .

To anybody who wants French blogs or rumors or anything else properly translated: I work cheap!! :cool:
 
afaiaa, apple are visbibly contributing to both formats, i cant be bothered to find the evidence to back this up, but it is there if you look for it.

we're still wondering who'll be beta-maxed.
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Blu-ray is dead.
Why?
The adult film industry is adopting HD since Sony says no adult content on blur-ray.
Game over.
HD wins.

Sex sells.
Always has, always will.
 
.......Don't forget that the main rumor regarding the release of Logic at MusicMesse was originally posted in a French blog (one with a decent track record), mistranslated, and spread across the English-language Mac-web with the exact opposite message of the original text: i.e. the blogger wrote quite clearly that he knows for sure Logic will NOT be released at MusikMesse.

I don't know #$@% about the quality of this rumor one way or the other, but I can say for sure that a whole lot of people got really excited over a poorly-done computer translation :D .......

I'm sorry, what is your point?:confused:
 
Perhaps Both Will Survive

Blu-ray is dead. Why? The adult film industry is adopting HD since Sony says no adult content on blur-ray. Game over.
HD wins. Sex sells. Always has, always will.
Perhaps. But while I see and agree with your point that sex sells, Blu-ray is being rapidly integrated into professional video production workflows including inside HD camcorders as well as the archive medium for HDD HD camcorders. So I'm not sure you can consider Blu-ray "dead" yet. It's so early in the game, can't tell. Hybrid Optical Drives are being developed for both the professional and consumer markets that may let both co-exhist. So it may be possible that both formats survive. HD for Sex and Blu-ray for families.
 
Perhaps. But while I see and agree with your point that sex sells, Blu-ray is being rapidly integrated into professional video production workflows including inside HD camcorders as well as the archive medium for HDD HD camcorders. So I'm not sure you can consider Blu-ray "dead" yet. It's so early in the game, can't tell. Hybrid Optical Drives are being developed for both the professional and consumer markets that may let both co-exhist. So it may be possible that both formats survive. HD for Sex and Blu-ray for families.

Why anyone would archive to expensive and slow optical media like blu-ray and HDDVD when hard drive storage is so cheap is beyond me. Blu-ray and HDDVD are for content distribution, pure and simple.
 
HDDs Are Prone To Mechanical Failure More Often Than Tape and Optical Media

Why anyone would archive to expensive and slow optical media like blu-ray and HDDVD when hard drive storage is so cheap is beyond me. Blu-ray and HDDVD are for content distribution, pure and simple.
HDDs are mechanical and fail. So we can't leave our master footage on HDDs. It must be more permanent like video tape or optical media. So we pay more for that permanence and longevity.

I can understand why someone as young as you may not have thought about that yet Laslo.
 
Perhaps. But while I see and agree with your point that sex sells, Blu-ray is being rapidly integrated into professional video production workflows including inside HD camcorders as well as the archive medium for HDD HD camcorders. So I'm not sure you can consider Blu-ray "dead" yet. It's so early in the game, can't tell. Hybrid Optical Drives are being developed for both the professional and consumer markets that may let both co-exhist. So it may be possible that both formats survive. HD for Sex and Blu-ray for families.

On a business channel I saw someone who was a Blu-Ray advocate specifically state that not only is BR used in X but in the largest single X producer and the rumors of BR's avoidance from X were exaggerated.

He did not say however BR was being adopted overall more than HD-DVD. The indies in that trade really set the trends. If Apple were to make low cost indy production with a BR centric workflow easy that would change things substantially.

Rocketman
 
True, keep master footage on HDD is suicide. You have to have at least another drive with a copy of it for additional safety.
Too much money goes into shooting to rely on a $100 to $400 hard drive.

not saying blu-ray or hd-dvd are safe proof, but for longevity I think they are more reliable than HDDs.
tapes are good way to go.
 
He did not say however BR was being adopted overall more than HD-DVD. The indies in that trade really set the trends. If Apple were to make low cost indy production with a BR centric workflow easy that would change things substantially.
Lights, Camera, :apple:

HD-DVD is a Microsoft standard. Don't know if you've read the Roughlydrafted article about Gates and Co's attempts to kill off QuickTime leading to Apple having to buy and release Final Cut Pro just to stay relevant in broadcasting, but I'll be very surprised if Cupertino jump into bed with Redmond on that one.
 
Blu-ray is dead.
Why?
The adult film industry is adopting HD since Sony says no adult content on blur-ray.
Game over.
HD wins.

Sex sells.
Always has, always will.

VHS won with porn. But, you couldn't get decent (or indecent as the case may be) porn in your home before VHS unless you had a projector, screen and a can of film that easily broke or melted with any jam. Don't even talk about discreet sound...
Now, porn is VERY easy to get (so they tell me:) ...) on the internet instantly.
Porn will not be a factor in this battle.
Blu-ray wins with a cooler 'hip' name.
 
FCP6 and/or updated FCS

FCSXtreme

mac pro line,

2.66 ghz 2 gig ram std, radeon x1900 : base model
3 ghz 2 gig ram std, radeon x1900, blue ray burner
8 core top line MAC PRO thats gonna make you bleed.

now, i dont think Leopard is going to be out. If leopard is out, it will take the thunder during the Developers convention. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT APPLE, GIVE US A BREAK ! AT LEAST OFFER FREE UPGRADE TO LEOPARD WHENVER IT COMES OUT !
What ?? $2.00 for 802.11n unlocking ?? .... :apple:
 
I predict no new computers till Leopard is released. Once that is out we will see a completely new lineup, everything is ready for an upgrade.

I completely agree. And since Leopard is not ready yet, and apple is not telling us yet who is going to speak at the event, I'm expecting something trivial.
 
Lights, Camera, :apple:

HD-DVD is a Microsoft standard. Don't know if you've read the Roughlydrafted article about Gates and Co's attempts to kill off QuickTime leading to Apple having to buy and release Final Cut Pro just to stay relevant in broadcasting, but I'll be very surprised if Cupertino jump into bed with Redmond on that one.

HD DVD is "not" a Microsoft standard. It was created by Toshiba (official disc name is Advanced Optical Disc...AOD) Microsoft supplies the VC-1 codec on both platforms and they have teamed with Broadcom to use Windows CE and Broadcom LSI to create a Reference platform but that's the extent of their ownership in HD DVD.

Apple will gladly support both formats as long as there are markets for the finished product. They have absolutely no reason to choose sides unless losing potential revenue/profits is something they are keen on.
 
I Registered Last Week And Wasn't Invited. I Have My Ticket Printed Out. I'm also pre-registered for the expo. But the $300 in gas and/or motel expense, depending on which vehicle I took, I would have to spend to get there and back is going to keep me from going thanks to the internet.

I am registered and holding a ticket as well. The bonus for me is that I already live here in vegas, so shouldnt be a problem to get down to the Venetian for the event. I got an RSVP email, so hopefully there are no issues when I show up to the event.

I have not pre-registered for the NAB expo itself yet though... perhaps I should go check it out. CES this year was a bit overcrowded for my taste.
 
im sure its already been said, but I project the Quad Core "Revolutionary" iMacs to be released on this day.
 
That would depend on how Apple engineered it. Very well might be the next MP was engineered around Leopard's 64-bit support and that it CAN'T run on anything lower than 10.5. I agree that Apple or any company would not delay a product for the sake of delaying it, but I suspect there are legit reasons why we won't see actual product until Leopard goes GM at the earliest.


Possibly but I doubt it. Already I have seen some reports of others replacing the current intel dual core CPU's with intel quad cores and they were able to get OS X up and running. Tiger already supports 64 bit for the other 64 bt intel processors.

Leopard new features such as core animation, updated finder, etc are OS related but not required for octo support. Granted Leopard maybe able to take advantage of 64 bit hardware better but that doesn't mean that 64 bit hardware can't run under Tiger.
 
im sure its already been said, but I project the Quad Core "Revolutionary" iMacs to be released on this day.

Why would Apple release a Quad Core iMac (consumer computer) at the National Association of Broadcasters?

They could easily just announce the new iMac on it's own seperate date. NAB is about the type of hardware and software that appeals to someone in the Broadcasting industry. Mac Pro could capture some attention but what people are looking for is what Apple's done with the latest Final Cut Studio.

Apple may as well ride Adobe's wave and announce the Mac Pros on March 27th along with the CS3 webcast. That would do more to sell Mac Pros than announcing them at NAB.
 
Blu-ray has outsold HD-DVD so far this year a lot. This is probably partly due to the fact that PS3 has the blu-ray built in. Some people may bitch about PS3 and Blu-ray, but the fact is that Sony has put over a million blu-ray players in homes, and that's more than HD-DVD.

Also, Apple is on the Blu-ray board of directors, so I think they are more likely to add Blu-ray support before HD-DVD.

The only thing that is keeping HD-DVD alive is Universal Studios' support of it. Once they realize Blu-ray has more customers, they'll switch or at least start releasing both, and that will be the final nail in the coffin.

As far as NAB, we'll see Final Cut Studio 6 and possibly Final Cut Express 4. This will be the main thing, and I see a huge revision for Final Cut since it's been two years since Final Cut 5. Native 5.1 surround sound, better media management, better HD support
There may also be Mac Pro and Cinema Display revisions.
No Shake because Apple said Shake is being discontinued for a new digital compositing project due out next year codenamed 'Phenomenon'.
Possibly the Final Cut Extreme edit suite.
 
Blu-ray has outsold HD-DVD so far this year a lot. This is probably partly due to the fact that PS3 has the blu-ray built in. Some people may bitch about PS3 and Blu-ray, but the fact is that Sony has put over a million blu-ray players in homes, and that's more than HD-DVD.

Also, Apple is on the Blu-ray board of directors, so I think they are more likely to add Blu-ray support before HD-DVD.

The only thing that is keeping HD-DVD alive is Universal Studios' support of it. Once they realize Blu-ray has more customers, they'll switch or at least start releasing both, and that will be the final nail in the coffin.

Lately, I have noticed how most new movie DVD releases also seem to be simultaneously released on Blue-Ray. I haven't seen nearly as much HD-DVD content released. I am pretty sure it is directly related to the PS3 as a lot of these releases are from a Sony studio.
 
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