Apple Named in Class Action Lawsuit Over Carrier IQ Privacy Issues


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Original poster
Apr 12, 2001

A group of three law firms late last week announced (via BGR) the filing of a class action lawsuit against Apple, Carrier IQ, and five other companies over privacy issues related to Carrier IQ's logging software The list of defendants also includes hardware manufacturers HTC, Samsung, and Motorola, and carriers AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile.
The carriers and manufacturers last month were caught willfully violating customers' privacy rights in direct violation of federal law. A technology blogger in Connecticut discovered last month that software designed and sold by California-based Carrier IQ, Inc. was secretly tracking personal and sensitive information of the cell phone users without the consent or knowledge of the users. On Nov. 30, 2011, the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary said in a letter to Carrier IQ that "these actions may violate federal privacy laws." It added, "this is potentially a very serious matter."
While it appears that the version of Carrier IQ's software installed on iOS devices is much less capable than that found on Android devices, concerns have still arisen over just what information is being logged and transmitted back to Carrier IQ to be passed on to carriers. For its part, Apple has claimed that it has stopped supporting Carrier IQ in iOS 5 and that it will remove all remaining traces of the service in a future iOS update.

Much of the focus has been on Carrier IQ itself and the carriers that have partnered with the company, but hardware companies have also become involved in the controversy. German regulators have already begun pressing Apple for details on its usage of Carrier IQ data, and other authorities will likely also turn to Apple and other hardware companies as the story continues to develop.

Article Link: Apple Named in Class Action Lawsuit Over Carrier IQ Privacy Issues


macrumors 6502a
Feb 26, 2011
I loathe Carrier IQ but this is like a 5 star orgy for lawyer trolls, Satan's gift for Christmas!


macrumors 603
Oct 14, 2007
San Jose, Ca
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I knew some lawyer was going to read these headlines for Carrier IQ and think $$$$


macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
There's a pile of money in this. Apple, however, has already taken steps with respect to this issue.


macrumors 6502
Feb 26, 2010
With Apple being control freaks I wonder if this software was more "liberal" on other handsets? Meaning Droid platform may have let IQ have more leeway on what it collected


Apr 6, 2010
I would jump on to it with any phone that I have owned using it. It really upsets me that on one hand they sell you banking apps and on the other they have the ability to record your actions.

Chase R

macrumors 65816
May 8, 2008
Good. Regardless of how limited Apple's implementation was of Carrier IQ, they still used it. I'm sick and tired of the tech companies using their customers for research revenue after charging us for the phone and service in the first place.

I hope they make an example out of all the companies listed in this suit. Maybe that'll hold them at bay, for a while.


macrumors 65816
Feb 4, 2011
Removing this feature in a prior OS does not abstain Apple from litigation.


macrumors 6502a
Sep 16, 2007
I welcome this lawsuit as it will hopefully bring to light exactly what each company does. The problem is I don't believe a word any company says about what they measure, record, store, analyze, etc.


macrumors 6502
Aug 9, 2003
I know, it is horrible. Just think, your cell carrier now knows who you called and when. The nerve of them... wait...

Wouldn't my cell carrier know every call I ever made? I mean, they are making the connection and all. I bet they also know my location based on the cell towers I am connected to and the time I placed the call.

Oh snap.


macrumors 601
Feb 22, 2009
So why is Apple being sued and not ATT.
ATT is the "Carrier" afterall isn't it? :confused:


macrumors 68040
Oct 3, 2009
What's the point of this crappy Carrier IQ? And why was it kept a secret? How exactly does logging my text messages make my phone better? I mean I don't really care, no one can do anything with my stuff on my phone, it's not like I'll log into internet banking or make payments from my phone, but many people probably are and it's just not logical or fair of them to do this.


macrumors 68030
May 28, 2008
I guess I am the only one who doesn't care about carrier IQ. Doesn't bother me one bit.


macrumors 68020
Jun 8, 2009
Probably AT&T is not being sued because the lawyers don't know up from down when it comes to technology. ;)


macrumors regular
Jun 20, 2009
"these actions may violate federal privacy laws" -- what part of "may violate" don't these guys understand. Politicians are always shooting their mouths off without thinking, and IIRC, this guy has a past history of it where Apple is concerned.

Apple does not allow carriers/networks to mess about with iOS as others do, so would have included C-IQ as part of the OS. I would assume that the decision to exclude it may have been influenced by the whatever-gate affair a few months ago.

Every time I set up a new iPhone, I get asked if I want to allow my phone to send diagnostic info back to Apple and I always say no. I also install PrivaCY on all jailbroken devices to stop Apps from collecting & sending data.

With regards to Verizon: just because their handsets didn't have C-IQ installed doesn't mean they didn't use a competitors product or even develop something in-house, or commission a software house to produce some tracking software for them.

All carriers know when and where you initiate or answer a call -- until I moved to iPhone, my network used to give me a refund for any dropped calls, and knew whether the call terminated early or unexpectedly due to network fault or my pressing the END button. This facility was offered to me 6 or 7 years ago, which means that the very least my network has been logging are all key presses from my phone.

This whole thing is a diversion, because the biggest culprit in privacy invasion is your very own friendly government, voted in by you.

The fact is that all our governments listen in to every call made over landlines and cell networks in the world, and they monitor and can reprint every fax in the world (my understanding is that they can't do that with satellite phones, but who knows?).

The UK has GCHQ -- and they're not overly secretive about monitoring calls and faxes. We know, for example, that their computers are set up to process millions of calls a minute and are tuned to pick up certain key words before flagging the conversation up for a human intervention. Just make a call over your landline and use words that a terrist would use and you'll have the secret services surveilling and/or knocking on your door PDQ.

All western countries cooperate with each other, and most European listening posts pass details to the US, where no doubt a system supposedly called e-c-h-e-l-o-n may already have picked up the same conversations. Also, just for fun, do a search for "e-c-h-e-l-o-n and industrial espionage" (don't forget to remove the hyphens).

As they keep telling us: you don't have to worry if you have nothing to hide.

PS: You can learn all about GCHQ at their very friendly website (check the way info is presented):
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Apr 1, 2005
Space The Only Frontier
Why doesn't the headline say "Samsung and other companies" instead of "Apple and other companies" ?

I'm sick of all these tech blogs placing Apple at the top when in fact they sell less phones than the other companies do.

And on top of that Android is the worst offender here.


macrumors 68000
Aug 15, 2010
Well if it turns out Apple have been sharing details of my calls and text messages with some damn phone company, I sure as hell will want a payout too.


macrumors G3
Feb 26, 2011
New England, USA
I'll reserve judgement until there is more definitive information regarding who received what information from whom.

That being said, it is hard not to become cynical and suspicious of almost every entity with whom one has contact every time one uses their phone or computer. A friend, who does not use any e-devices of any kind, is constantly needling me about loss of privacy. I try to defend my use of my computer and my phone for banking, buying on line, and the like - insisting that one is generally safe if reasonable precautions are taken. I am less and less able to muster this defense which any degree of confidence.

I'm aware that there are agencies (NSA, CIA, etc.) from whom no one is safe. But, in general, this is not the risk about which I have the greatest concerns.

The erosion of any sense of privacy from other sources is extremely disturbing.
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