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For those who do not feel they are innovative, what has changed? What did Apple used to do that they aren't doing today? What specifically are you looking for them to do that would be considered innovative? Actual examples would be great.
 
I forgot a lot. Here’s a quote of an article with other innovations they’ve made.

Here’s the whole very interesting article. https://www.fastcompany.com/3067455/why-amazon-is-the-worlds-most-innovative-company-of-2017
This article is about their 2016 "innovations".

Buying nearly the entire staff of Top Gear and giving them a budget to make the same exact TV show they've been making for the last 15 years is not innovative. "Unveiling" games from Amazon Game Studios that are not playable and don't have release dates or screenshots of any kind is not innovative, when those games actually get released sure you can count them - but the games have garnered very little interest so far. Investing money in other companies that *are* being innovative does not make Amazon innovative. Building more fulfillment centers is not innovative, it is expansion.

The only thing in that entire article that is innovative is the drone delivery - which is certainly impressive, but it was a one-off proof of concept and again it was in 2016, not 2017. They claimed that they would expand the service to 'dozens' and then 'hundreds' of customers, but they have not. No progress was made in 2017 regarding Prime Air and it is still widely regarded as a far-off pipe dream with many hurdles to overcome first.

Amazon has done very little in the way of innovation in 2017.
 
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For those who do not feel they are innovative, what has changed? What did Apple used to do that they aren't doing today? What specifically are you looking for them to do that would be considered innovative? Actual examples would be great.

How about the other way around...how about listing actual examples of Apple innovating. And by innovating, I don't mean new ways to unlock your iPhone or changing how the glass fits in a phone (because others have already done it).
 
How about the other way around...how about listing actual examples of Apple innovating. And by innovating, I don't mean new ways to unlock your iPhone or changing how the glass fits in a phone (because others have already done it).

Okay. I would say Airpods are innovative. The W1 chip, the ease of connection, how great they sound, battery life lasts for weeks. That's one example. The Apple Watch in itself has been very innovative. We have a tiny computer on our wrist capable of sending texts, making calls, streaming music, tracking our heart rate and other fitness goals. The iPhone X is innovative due to Face ID, taking tech the size of a kinect and putting it into the phone definitely took some work, along with software to make it all work seamlessly. Removal of the home button (necessary for the future) and replacing it with a gesture based UI without any issue is innovative. Taking something we have used for 10 years and replacing it without people missing a beat is pretty innovative. The A series chip is another example. They are beating out Intel in a lot of ways and pushing what is possible from a mobile chip. I am sure there are more examples, but those are a few.
 
Because people spent $1200 only just for those animojis, right? Not really the phone's amazing hardware and software but for that only one feature - Animojis. Now you can tell me if it's not justified if people call you a hater?
Runs the same apps my 6 does.
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You're confusing "$1,200 device for animating poop emojis" with "$1,200 device for doing 1001 things, one of which happens to be animating poop emojis". :p
Runs the same apps my 6 does.
 
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How about the other way around...how about listing actual examples of Apple innovating. And by innovating, I don't mean new ways to unlock your iPhone or changing how the glass fits in a phone (because others have already done it).
Except for the ways Apple is innovative, how exactly is Apple innovative?
 
Runs the same apps my 6 does.
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Runs the same apps my 6 does.

Your point is fair, but it's the old car analogy. A Kia can get you from point A to point B the same way a Porsche can, but it's the overall experience of driving the Porsche that makes it worthwhile to some people. For some, they are perfectly fine with the Kia. Nothing wrong with either choice, but there are certainly advantages to choosing the more luxury option.
 
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This article is about their 2016 "innovations".

Buying nearly the entire staff of Top Gear and giving them a budget to make the same exact TV show they've been making for the last 15 years is not innovative. "Unveiling" games from Amazon Game Studios that are not playable and don't have release dates is not innovative, when those games actually get released sure you can count them - but the games have garnered very little interest so far. Investing money in other companies that *are* being innovative does not make Amazon innovative. Building more fulfillment centers is not innovative, it is expansion.

The only thing in that entire article that is innovative is the drone delivery - which is certainly impressive, but it was a one-off proof of concept and again it was in 2016, not 2017. They claimed that they would expand the service to 'dozens' and then 'hundreds' of customers, but they have not. No progress was made in 2017 regarding Prime Air and it is still widely regarded as a far-off pipe dream with many hurdles to overcome first.

Amazon has done very little innovation in 2017.

That's pretty close and narrow minded. Have you ever considered their success in developing cloud services? They are by far the world's leading cloud service(s) provider.
 
What statement was that? I said the good ol' days weren't as great as everyone remembers it being. Apple made some incredible moves and won some awesome bets, but there were also lots of things that Apple was going the wrong direction on in those good old days. There was only a short period of time in which we could say the gap between Apple and everyone else was huge... I only count a few years of the iPhone that fit that description.

I don't start the Steve Jobs clock from the moment that the iPhone gained critical mass. I also count the years in which Apple needed a $150 million investment from Microsoft to make itself seem relevant and when the iMac won critical praise year after year, but didn't dent the dominance of Windows machines nor halt Apple's slide right out the door of the very education market that they once had a stranglehold on (with Steve Jobs version 1.0 even).

I count the Steve Jobs that tried to sell us on the idea that all computers should look like the G4 Cube or that you only need one button on a mouse, and the one that insisted that the iOS App ecosystem should not be opened to third party developers. I even count the stupid licensing fees that kneecapped Firewire as a viable transfer protocol.

If you want to worship at the alter of St. Steve, you have to also acknowledge that a lot of his bets went the wrong direction.

My goodness. You are impossible to have a conversion with. Truly difficult. I have to put you in place. I will speak very simply.

1) Did I say the good ole days included 1997 when Microsoft’s investment happened? No. But since you brought it up, that was a great business decision and brought back Microsoft office to Mac. I would say, that was a big moment. But not the good ole days.

2) Okay, I acknowledge there were failures also including iPod hifi and the 17 inch PowerBook (which I actually loved and had 3 over its lifespan), eMac and I’m sure more. Can you acknowledge the iPhone, iPod, iPad, Mac OS X, iOS and iCloud were invented all within 10 years?

3) If #2 doesn’t get you excited then I don’t know what does. I’m grateful the risks were attempted. What risks are attempted now? iPhone 5c? LOL!
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So in a period of ten years, they came up with the iPod, made the screen on it a bit better and bigger, and stuck a phone in it?

I'm not serious, of course. The point is you can reduce those things just as much as you can reduce stuff they've done since. Its not like SJ was pulling an iPhone from his backside every time he went on stage.

And conversely, even though there might not have been another iPhone, there has probably been a lot more innovation at Apple in the last 5-10 years or so than a lot of people would give them credit for.

Bottom line, I’m not as excited by iPhone 5c as I am by the G4 Cube. The risks taken back then were incredible. And we saw some amazing things we still benefit from today cause of it
 
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This article is about their 2016 "innovations".

Buying nearly the entire staff of Top Gear and giving them a budget to make the same exact TV show they've been making for the last 15 years is not innovative. "Unveiling" games from Amazon Game Studios that are not playable and don't have release dates is not innovative, when those games actually get released sure you can count them - but the games have garnered very little interest so far. Investing money in other companies that *are* being innovative does not make Amazon innovative. Building more fulfillment centers is not innovative, it is expansion.

The only thing in that entire article that is innovative is the drone delivery - which is certainly impressive, but it was a one-off proof of concept and again it was in 2016, not 2017. They claimed that they would expand the service to 'dozens' and then 'hundreds' of customers, but they have not. No progress was made in 2017 regarding Prime Air and it is still widely regarded as a far-off pipe dream with many hurdles to overcome first.

Amazon has done very little innovation in 2017.
You can have that opinion, just know that I wholeheartedly disagree. To say that Amazon has done “very little innovation” arguing that Apple has is simply absurd. What has Apple done? Did they make the first OLED edge less phone? No. Did they make a breakthrough to integrate TouchID in the display? Nope. I guess they did turn their stores into “Town Centers” though. What a huge innovation that was.... And this article is more than about Amazon’s 2016 innovations, it discusses their Amazon Go store and other projects carrying over into 2017. It IS an accomplishment to make Prime Video available in almost all countries in the world.
 
Okay. I would say Airpods are innovative. The W1 chip, the ease of connection, how great they sound, battery life lasts for weeks.

Wireless earbuds have been out before the airpods were around. It just so happened that Apple has the luxury of their own money and consumers to vet the technology further. I suppose that means they innovated (further).

That's one example. The Apple Watch in itself has been very innovative. We have a tiny computer on our wrist capable of sending texts, making calls, streaming music, tracking our heart rate and other fitness goals.

I think there were smart watches out before the Apple Watch that did similar things. I suppose they innovated (further).

The iPhone X is innovative due to Face ID, taking tech the size of a kinect and putting it into the phone definitely took some work, along with software to make it all work seamlessly.

FaceID technologies were on other mobile phones before iPhones. It subjectively works seamlessly when you don't conform to specific Apple behaviors. I suppose they innovated (further).

Removal of the home button (necessary for the future) and replacing it with a gesture based UI without any issue is innovative. Taking something we have used for 10 years and replacing it without people missing a beat is pretty innovative.

This has been on other phones as well, specifically the Samsung. Regarding the comment "gesture based UI without any issue", that is also subjective. For every loud Apple fanatic that claims it works, there are are also a matching quiet Apple user that is not feeling the same.

The A series chip is another example. They are beating out Intel in a lot of ways and pushing what is possible from a mobile chip. I am sure there are more examples, but those are a few.

... if only they would let more 3rd parties leverage their A series chip to build more accessories.

Innovative? I think it depends what angle you're looking at. Apple in the last few years has not really pioneered technology. They more or less take an existing fad and make it (questionably) better. When industry changes to conform to Apple's strategy, it's because they are conforming to consumer's buying decisions which seems to be slightly biased on Apple branding and marketing.
 
It's a real shame you don't understand what the word "innovation" means.

Hint: It has absolutely nothing to do with software bugs, problems, delays, shortages, etc that most companies that take risks endure and solve.
I understand exactly what it means. You're telling me that ignoring product lines for years is innovation? Removing ports to make things asininely thin is innovation? Sneakily putting software on their os and claiming later it's a "feature" is innovation?

THIS
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is "innovation"?
 
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Apple also won an award recently in the little-known publication, "Glue Users Weekly". They came first in a roundup of most innovative and pervasive ways to gum up modern technology.
 
Wireless earbuds have been out before the airpods were around. It just so happened that Apple has the luxury of their own money and consumers to vet the technology further. I suppose that means they innovated (further).



I think there were smart watches out before the Apple Watch that did similar things. I suppose they innovated (further).



FaceID technologies were on other mobile phones before iPhones. It subjectively works seamlessly when you don't conform to specific Apple behaviors. I suppose they innovated (further).



This has been on other phones as well, specifically the Samsung. Regarding the comment "gesture based UI without any issue", that is also subjective. For every loud Apple fanatic that claims it works, there are are also a matching quiet Apple user that is not feeling the same.



... if only they would let more 3rd parties leverage their A series chip to build more accessories.

Innovative? I think it depends what angle you're looking at. Apple in the last few years has not really pioneered technology. They more or less take an existing fad and make it (questionably) better. When industry changes to conform to Apple's strategy, it's because they are conforming to consumer's buying decisions which seems to be slightly biased on Apple branding and marketing.

Okay, so back to my original question. What could Apple do that would actually be innovative to you?

Also, let's not confuse invention with innovation. Making an existing technology or idea better is still innovation. And that is exactly what Apple has done in your examples. They have taken technology that was there (albeit crappy in it's implementation) and made it better. That's what innovation is.
 
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How about the other way around...how about listing actual examples of Apple innovating. And by innovating, I don't mean new ways to unlock your iPhone or changing how the glass fits in a phone (because others have already done it).
Face ID is innovative if that is what you are referring to. Others have mentioned other innovations.
 
I understand exactly what it means. You're telling me that ignoring product lines for years is innovation? Removing ports to make things asininely thin is innovation? Sneakily putting software on their os and claiming later it's a "feature" is innovation?
is "innovation"?

"I understand exactly what it means"

No, you continue to demonstrate that you don't.
 
That's pretty close and narrow minded. Have you ever considered their success in developing cloud services? They are by far the world's leading cloud service(s) provider.
They did not introduce any new cloud services in 2017 besides EC2 bare metal (iterative) and GuardDuty (which is cool in theory but provides no real additional value to most competent developers) - this article is about each company's 2017 innovations...
 
Okay, so back to my original question. What could Apple do that would actually be innovative to you?

Also, let's not confuse invention with innovation. Making an existing technology or idea better is still innovation. And that is exactly what Apple has done in your examples. They have taken technology that was there (albeit crappy in it's implementation) and made it better. That's what innovation is.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
1: the introduction of something new
2: a new idea, method, or device

Inventing something new and innovation are synonyms.

You know what I thought was innovative back in the day from Apple? The jog dial on the iPod.
 
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