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I expect them to eventually drop the Touchbar itself, but this move is to help juice sales.

Like I said in the previous MacBook discontinue thread, it looks like someone at Apple is taking charge and bringing back some sanity to the product lineup.

I don’t know about you, but it looks like the past few years of chaos in the product line were due to Jony Ive.

Now that he is basically on his way out, they are restoring some sensibility.

Really great to see some simplicity.
You’re probably right. The MacBook looks like a very Johnny Ive type product. All looks no functionality.
 
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use caution:
hold off on your macBook purchases and see how the reviews flow.
its your money
 
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I have a now discontinued 12" MacBook whose keyboard failed 4 times.
Coincidence? Think not.
My 2017 13" MBP keyboard on the other hand works like a charm, albeit it's loud as hell.
 
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yeah but like, once you see the digital function keys in windows, then voila...thats it. No benefit over physical keyboard anymore...I believe that's his point. And maybe this isn't a big deal for you, that's cool. But there actually is a fair bit of software out there that uses the fn keys...I use CAD software pretty heavily and I tried it on a touchbar but it really slowed me down. Always have to look down from the screen to see where the desired button is. I like the physical feedback of the edge of the key. Solution for me is an external keyboard that I put on top of my laptop. Which annoys.
I see that, and partially agree. Not having actual buttons on the center column is the one annoying thing about a Tesla (one road bump and I turn on the wrong lights). That’s certainly the trade off for a multifunction “button.” I think a cool in-between solution might be physical keys that can change function & label. Otoh, that removes the option of using a large TB segment as a slider or continuous control, which some media editors like. I just take issue with the histrionics of a “completely uselsss” rant. The TB does polarize, but I find it pretty cool. I admit that it doesn’t really solve a big problem, but in general use cases I don’t think it really causes one either. The loud minority gets a lot of attention with things like this (already the headphone jack clamor is dying down). But I respect the inconveniences of the select few who really require dedicated keys for their best work.
 
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With the entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro being refreshed with a Touch Bar and other new features today, Apple no longer sells a MacBook Pro without a Touch Bar in its current lineup. In other words, it is no longer possible to buy a new MacBook Pro with a physical escape key directly from Apple.

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The Touch Bar has been a controversial feature since its debut on the 15-inch MacBook Pro in October 2016, with some critics describing it as a gimmick. The entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro was until now a way around the Touch Bar, with its physical escape key earning it the nickname of "MacBook Escape."

A physical escape key remains available on MacBook Air models.

Article Link: Apple No Longer Sells a MacBook Pro Without a Touch Bar
About time! Do they or don’t they believe this Touch Bar is great? Have to make up your mind. Good step. Now go all the way.
128GB SSD for Pro? Come on guys/gals!
 
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Having used a touch bar for a while now (I got it back when it was brand new, was very excited about it at the time!), I'm split 50/50 on it. On the one hand, it's more intuitive to use for certain tasks, and provides a better UI in certain cases (for a basic, system-wide example, a volume slider is nicer than distinct up/down buttons). In other cases, it's downright annoying. The lack of physical distinctions makes it impossible to use for games that involve the function keys - you have to take your eyes off the gameplay in order to find the key you want to press. I can't count the number of times I've been typing a number into a webform and accidentally brushed the refresh button with the lightest of touches, only to have to start filling out the form all over again. I think it really says something when this one feature caused me to go out and get a bluetooth keyboard to use with my laptop while sitting on the couch.

This sort of interface is great on a phone or tablet, as it's positioned right where your eyes are already pointed, and the ergonomics of it mostly keep your hands out of the line of sight as you type. On a laptop, however, sight lines aren't nearly as nice, and I'm starting to think the annoyances outweigh the niceties.
 
Once again Apple forces their inventions upon us.
After all they need to get payed for the money spent on these things.
Once again Cook shows how unbelievably out of touch with his buyers he really is.
This is just incredible.
I will never buy a MacBook that has a touchbar.
So, looks like I’m done with Apple laptops.
 
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I haven't tried this touch bar yet in a store, but it would be nice if it was just another optional part of the Mac.
 
Last year I dropped $3,000 on a 15” MBP upgrade to my 2013 model. Within one week I lost so much work due to that damned touchbar, as my left pinky would brush the escape key. I complained to Apple that their touchbar was too sensitive. Their response was “It is working as designed.” To which I replied that “Their design doesn’t work.” I promptly returned the $3,000 MBP and decided to hope this fad would go away. I’m saddened to see they are going in.
 
Wish they would use the touchpad as a second display. Your fingers are there anyway. Way more ergonomic.
 
This statement is confusing- Apple “updated” non T/B MB Pro...with Touch Bar.
You mean like..discontinuing non TB MB Pro and leaving only one 13 inch model with TB?
 
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Once again Cook shows how unbelievably out of touch with h̶i̶s̶ ̶b̶u̶y̶e̶r̶s̶ me he really is.
Fixed. According to a poll, only about ¼ of over 30,000 respondents were definitively opposed to the Touch Bar, and more people liked it than hated it. Sry to break it to you, but appear to be the vocal minority.

So, looks like I’m done with Apple laptops.
But probably not done complaining about them, though. What fun would that be?
 
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