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India still treats imports and foreign investment very negatively. For example, India along with North Korea are few of the countries in the world that do not allow Apple to open a retail store in India, unless it partners with an Indian company. So while TCS, Infosys etc., have full freedom to invest in the US without having to find a local partner, India has a one way street. It puts onerous conditions such as local sourcing for the products. So unless Apple manufactures iPhone's in India, tough luck for Apple. No amount of charm from Cook will move the bureaucracy to allow even a retail store. Likewise work permit and student visa. For air travel, while US started signing bilateral agreements for open skies policy between countries in 1979, India is yet to even consider something like this. Result? Fares to India are at least 40-50% more costly than flights to China. India is yet to deregulate its labor laws. It is very difficult to shut down loss making factories or sack unruly "permanent" workers.
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Maybe TCS and Infosys and other Indian investment in the US must be held to the same standard.

I think we have 2 different scenarios here. TCS, Infosys are service sector companies that gladly pick up IT roles that are outsourced to them to save on costs. The US corporations like other profit making entities, want to maximise profits, come what may.

Apple on the other hand deals primarily in products so they need to go through a different set of rules, regulations etc : import licensing, quotas, locally sourced components etc whenever they enter a foreign market.

Cheers !
 
Likewise work permit and student visa. For air travel, while US started signing bilateral agreements for open skies policy between countries in 1979, India is yet to even consider something like this. Result? Fares to India are at least 40-50% more costly than flights to China.
And why on Earth India or anyone else should do anything that US does? It's a huge, different country, it's a whole different world with its own unique culture and traditions. We can then compare US to some others and say, hey, look, Denmark has free universities, and US is yet to even consider somethig like this. Or look, Germany has free health care! And US is yet to even consider something like this! And those countries are culturally closer to United States than India.
 
Most people in India can't afford Apple products.

Define most? What percentage of 1 BILLION+ people with enough cash would be sufficient to whet the appetites of electronics companies?
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Is it wrong of me to laugh so much at this one? Probably is. I'll stop now. Just a minute. Okay. Okay, I'm done.
 
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Samsung seems to be doing quite a bit of manufacturing in India. India has restrictions. Apple can choose to either accept those restrictions or not. India can't lose what it doesn't have right now.

Apple chooses not to manufacture in the US. For many reasons. They could if they wanted. Apple can also choose to do business in India. That choice is theirs to make.
We need to force TCS and Infosys to hire Americans for half the jobs they have in the US, rather than cornering all the H1B's and L1 visa. A better solution will be to put country limit of 7% for each country for H1B unless they have a trade agreement with the US. India will very soon lose its xenophobic ideals.
 
They are Violating Apple's rights in initiating force against them to stop them from building these stores. They have no right to do it.
Their castle. Their rules. India isn't trampling on anyone's rights by "charging" 30% so to speak any more than Apple trampled on artist rights by charging 30% of sales. If it doesn't work out for India in the long run, they'll figure it out (or won't if they turn out to be truly fascist as you say such as North Korea or Venezuela, which have literally no food on their market shelves). But seeing how India is quite the up and coming world power, probably better to play nice or else miss out on opportunities.
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Yup, it's definitely a move against China. Basically, India is sending a message, if you can make it in China, you should be able to make it in India... (unless it's so cutting edge that you can't make it in India).

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BINGO! Best post of the forum today.
 
India still treats imports and foreign investment very negatively. For example, India along with North Korea are few of the countries in the world that do not allow Apple to open a retail store in India, unless it partners with an Indian company. So while TCS, Infosys etc., have full freedom to invest in the US without having to find a local partner, India has a one way street. It puts onerous conditions such as local sourcing for the products. So unless Apple manufactures iPhone's in India, tough luck for Apple. No amount of charm from Cook will move the bureaucracy to allow even a retail store. Likewise work permit and student visa. For air travel, while US started signing bilateral agreements for open skies policy between countries in 1979, India is yet to even consider something like this. Result? Fares to India are at least 40-50% more costly than flights to China. India is yet to deregulate its labor laws. It is very difficult to shut down loss making factories or sack unruly "permanent" workers.
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Maybe TCS and Infosys and other Indian investment in the US must be held to the same standard.
Your logic is flawed because you want a government to change its policies to penalize companies already doing business here vs a government that is maintaining their policies. In short, you want Apple to be above the law or given an exclusion. And if you don't get things your way, then punish two companies for example who have nothing to do with this negotiation. If this were any other company aside from Apple I wonder if you would be as assertive.
 
We need to force TCS and Infosys to hire Americans for half the jobs they have in the US, rather than cornering all the H1B's and L1 visa. A better solution will be to put country limit of 7% for each country for H1B unless they have a trade agreement with the US. India will very soon lose its xenophobic ideals.

Xenophobic ideals? Haha.. Get a clue dude.
 
but the ministry of finance has decided Apple's products do not fall into the cutting-edge technology category

if that isn't a slap in the face, I don't know what is
But really they aren't cutting edge anymore, if they started making phones with a new type of battery that lasted for say an entire month's worth of use off of one charge or added useful new features or came up with some completely new products that no one has even though of before, you know returning to what Apple used to do best, then I could see it working out for Apple. But currently they are just copying features that others have come up with.

By the way, this is an awesome law that should be the requirement in every country.
 
So even if Apple has 30% of its stores in India with products made in India, they must, "persuade" buyers to purchase these items with other Apple products. How is this enforced by the Indian authorities? I can think of many ways that I would circumvent this rule. I get cool looking cases made in India, and I force the purchase of one of the sweet cases with each Phone, same with Macs, iPads, and bands for Apple Watches.

Now for the accounting, why can't I sell an India-made case for say $300 and sell the phone that will be coming with it for $700? I end up selling the phone for $1000 minus the $0.25 cents that it costs to make. Enforcement of this Indian Rule seems next to impossible in real life.

Does anyone know how India calculates and enforces these regulations?
 
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Samsung seems to be doing quite a bit of manufacturing in India. India has restrictions. Apple can choose to either accept those restrictions or not. India can't lose what it doesn't have right now.

Apple chooses not to manufacture in the US. For many reasons. They could if they wanted. Apple can also choose to do business in India. That choice is theirs to make.

Samsung is in the business of manufacturing things. Samsung manufacture processors, displays, and a whole bunch of other things. Apple doesn't manufacture anything. It's not that Apple doesn't manufacture in the US. Apple doesn't manufacture anything at all.
 
Time to start innovating Tim, when the Indian government tells you are no longer cutting edge lol
 
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Apple's plan to open three Apple Store locations in India may fall through following a ruling from the Indian finance ministry that says Apple must sell locally sourced goods if it wants to open stores in the country, reports Reuters.

In India, 30 percent of goods sold by foreign companies must be manufactured or produced in the country, a requirement Apple does not meet as its products are largely made in China. India last year exempted retailers selling state-of-the-art goods from the rule, prompting Apple to file a new application with the Indian government.

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Apple was expected to receive an exemption from the rule, earning a recommendation from country's Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion, but the ministry of finance has decided Apple's products do not fall into the cutting-edge technology category. A source told Reuters Apple did not provide enough material to justify the exemption.Without the ability to open its own retail stores in the country, Apple will need to continue selling iOS and Mac devices in India through third-party distributors. Apple is eager to expand its business in India as it is a largely untapped market. Last quarter, Apple saw its revenue from India grow 56 percent, surpassing $1 billion.

The ministry of finance's ruling comes just after Tim Cook spent several days in India, where he met with Prime Minister Narendra Modi and other local business leaders, actors, politicians, and developers.

Apple has also announced the launch of a Maps development center in Hyderabad and an iOS app and design accelerator in Bangalore.

Article Link: Apple Not Able to Open Retail Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods
[doublepost=1464237338][/doublepost]This is the kind of rule that the US should not allow to be unilateral.

If the government of India wants such a rule, the US should reciprocate!
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I think we have 2 different scenarios here. TCS, Infosys are service sector companies that gladly pick up IT roles that are outsourced to them to save on costs. The US corporations like other profit making entities, want to maximise profits, come what may.

Apple on the other hand deals primarily in products so they need to go through a different set of rules, regulations etc : import licensing, quotas, locally sourced components etc whenever they enter a foreign market.

Cheers !
[doublepost=1464237524][/doublepost]There is no reason to distinguish between these. Both are imports. Similar rules should apply.
 
[doublepost=1464237338][/doublepost]This is the kind of rule that the US should not allow to be unilateral.

If the government of India wants such a rule, the US should reciprocate!
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[doublepost=1464237524][/doublepost]There is no reason to distinguish between these. Both are imports. Similar rules should apply.

Let me rephrase : US corporations need TCS, Infosys etc, to get the work done at minimum cost, so as to ensure nice profit margins. Note that they don't outsource to India because the work quality is better : the emphasis is on 'cheap'.

India has been without an Apple store for the last couple of decades and the few who can afford one can buy it from the resellers or buy from abroad. Of course, having an Apple store would ease some of their worries but they have been managing without one for so long that it doesn't really matter. This is precisely what the Indian government is banking on when they squeeze Apple, to try and push it for localisations.

Hence I believe most Indians would want an Apple store but they don't need one.

Cheers !
 
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I know what you mean ! Having to deal with Indian customs was such a pain in the neck.

The officers would not come to work before 12. There were signs everywhere proclaiming "Do not give bribes" but every single person I visited wanted one or else refused to sign my paper work. Forced to go through an 'agent' who guess what, wanted 'something' for himself.

Really pathetic state of affairs. I'm sure not all government offices or officers are like this but these experiences left a bad taste ......

Cheers!

Maybe Apple unsuccessfully tried to bribe an official with a "new" Mac Pro. That would explain the "not cutting edge technology" thing.
 
Maybe the rest of the world should refuse to sell anything from india unless 31% of those products are sourced locally...
I really wish the UK government would do this to both india and china.
 
Maybe the rest of the world should refuse to sell anything from india unless 31% of those products are sourced locally...
I really wish the UK government would do this to both india and china.

As consumers, are we prepared to pay the arguably higher prices that will automatically entail local manufacturing ?

Do we support our own local communities or just wish for cheaper prices ?

Do we vote with our wallets or let empty jingoism and rhetoric rule the day ?

Some of the considerations for living in a globalised economy.

Cheers !
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Maybe Apple unsuccessfully tried to bribe an official with a "new" Mac Pro. That would explain the "not cutting edge technology" thing.

Maybe he got the 256 GB instead of the 512 GB gold Macbook that he wanted ! ;-)
 
Welcome to being forced to comply with the stupid rules imposed by others.. Those of us participating in Apple developer programs know the feeling all to well.. Glad to see it "coming around" to Apple.
 
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