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An iPod in someone's pocket isn't going to lift that individual's
standard of living. However if India is able to negociate manufacturing leading to jobs, those things will help the population. Apple doesn't have a right to set up shop wherever it likes. It's not Apple world. Let them negociate.

You are missing the point totally - forget Apple & their stores. How have the Indian economic and business decisions helped their population / society / etc.?
 
An iPod in someone's pocket isn't going to lift that individual's
standard of living. However if India is able to negociate manufacturing leading to jobs, those things will help the population. Apple doesn't have a right to set up shop wherever it likes. It's not Apple world. Let them negociate.

this.

Yes a job is a job. But at some point quality of job enters the picture. 20 new apple store employees < say 20 new mechanics/hvac techs alone to keep facility up and running. India is gunning for the latter. It could pay out better long term.

US needs to realize this as when they say look we made jobs, they then wonder why the economy not magically better. Answer: 1000 new retail and low level jobs are technically jobs, yes. But they only get people, hopefully, at least able to pay bills month to month. Its not having them buy "extraneous" stuff. Which is what the US economy relies on. People buying extra stuff.
 
You are missing the point totally - forget Apple & their stores. How have the Indian economic and business decisions helped their population / society / etc.?
If your comment wasn't at all related to my comment and this topic, which is odd because you replied to my comment, then maybe start a thread titled "Indian economic and business decisions helped their population / society / etc." and get some answers if you think "I've totally missed the point".
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this.

Yes a job is a job. But at some point quality of job enters the picture. 20 new apple store employees < say 20 new mechanics/hvac techs alone to keep facility up and running. India is gunning for the latter. It could pay out better long term.

US needs to realize this as when they say look we made jobs, they then wonder why the economy not magically better. Answer: 1000 new retail and low level jobs are technically jobs, yes. But they only get people, hopefully, at least able to pay bills month to month. Its not having them buy "extraneous" stuff. Which is what the US economy relies on. People buying extra stuff.
I agree. Quality good paying jobs is what is needed. Manufacturing can be good paying and quality if Apple ensures it workforce are treated humanely and fairly with proper good conditions.
 
Interesting how corporate greed is always short-sighted and self-centered. I do rather like the remarkably simple idea of a thirty percent commitment to production within a country. It has the potential to better distribute the wealth in manner that provides for everyone, everywhere. It sets a bar for which businesses can aspire.
 
"decided Apple's products do not fall into the cutting-edge" Ouch. But read closely between the lines, that just means they did not pay off the right people yet. Remember this is, for the most part, a third world country.
 
I wonder, is this by volume or by value? If value, then good luck.

It would be no problem, really. Apple goes to the next farmer's market, buys lots of apples, and sells them for $10 each. An iPhone that would usually cost $500 costs only $350, but Apple only sells it to you if you also buy 15 apples at $10 each.
 
"decided Apple's products do not fall into the cutting-edge" Ouch. But read closely between the lines, that just means they did not pay off the right people yet. Remember this is, for the most part, a third world country.

Are there any computer / mobile companies that sell their own product directly there ?

I'm more inclined to think that the law is being used to keep companies out and force them to sell product through Indian companies.
 
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Very interesting. Good on the Indian Government actually looking to benefit their people rather than a select few in their negotiations.

If you want access to a market of a billion people in a democracy and one of the fastest growing economies in the world, then you better invest in their country.

Great call.
 
Apparently, Samsung is better at bribery than Apple.

Or...

"Samsung began manufacturing operations in India by opening its first plant in Noida, Uttar Pradesh, near New Delhi, in 1997. This modern Complex today houses state-of-the-art units that produce Mobile Phones, Refrigerators and LED Televisions. The Noida facility is ranked as Number One amongst all Samsung subsidiaries in terms of delivering the highest productivity for Mobile, Refrigerator and LED Televisions."

http://www.samsung.com/in/aboutsamsung/samsungelectronics/india/manufacturing.html
 
They aren't denying them Apple products, they are denying the Apple store.


It is the same thing. Now Apple has to continue paying lots of dollars to a third-parties keeping prices high in India.

People can buy iPhones but the prices are high because of policies like these. With that said, India's policies are designed to deal with the serious unemployment problem in India. Companies have to hire people if they want to play.
 
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Okay this isn't exactly India sticking by its guns as people are assuming. As the worlds largest democracy and foremost corrupt bureaucracy, they are just playing hard ball. If Apple is not state of the art, then that term has no meaning. :rolleyes:

But India is only hurting itself, they barely have 2G reception in most of the country.
 
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Apparently, Samsung is better at bribery than Apple.
I know right? :rolleyes:
Or...

"Samsung began manufacturing operations in India by opening its first plant in Noida, Uttar Pradesh, near New Delhi, in 1997. This modern Complex today houses state-of-the-art units that produce Mobile Phones, Refrigerators and LED Televisions. The Noida facility is ranked as Number One amongst all Samsung subsidiaries in terms of delivering the highest productivity for Mobile, Refrigerator and LED Televisions."

http://www.samsung.com/in/aboutsamsung/samsungelectronics/india/manufacturing.html
Sam. The way some people post on the internet, one would be forgiven for thinking they've never heard of... you know... the internet. The info is all there for those who actually want to know.
 
I'm not surprised. This is why Apple products are so overpriced in India.

Ikea recently went through this and they're opening their first store in Hyderabad next year.
 
I'm curious.
When did this become a 'save India' thing. Is anyone under the impression that Apple opening a store in India - where a tiny % of the population can actually afford an Apple product - is somehow going to bring some incredible change in poverty and 3rd world life?
This is Apple wanting to squeeze every penny out of it's last market to try and appease the shareholders - me being one of them.
Yet everyone acts shocked when India play Apple at their own game. Apple need India a helluva lot more than India needs iPhones!
 
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but the ministry of finance has decided Apple's products do not fall into the cutting-edge technology category

if that isn't a slap in the face, I don't know what is

All macrumors-"Selling 2 generations old processors isn't cutting edge"-chit chat besides:

What does Apple sell, that is important to make technological progress?
We are talking about consumer products, not cutting edge technologies for research or production.
 
Just to reiterate what others have already said, it makes a lot of sense for the Indian government to want thousands of factory jobs in addition to the relatively few Apple store jobs.

It'll be interesting to see what Cook does. He's been really counting on China and India to prop up sales increases in the future, so he's pretty committed to doing whatever it takes. Heck, and he's got the war chest to do it.

India is preventing India from getting those thousands of factory jobs. India is just not an attractive destination for manufacturing. If people say US infrastructure is in bad shape, they should look at India. That will make them really appreciate American infrastructure. That's not because of foreign companies taking jobs away. That's because of corrupt government. Fixing those kinds of problems and actually making India attractive for manufacturing will do far more to generate jobs than these kinds of meaningless regulations.

Apple's products are not "made in China." They're assembled in China. That's an important distinction. It is very unfortunate that people are not interested in this important distinction. Assembly involves receiving the components and putting them together. That's what Foxconn does and it's only a small percentage of the total value of iPhone. Apple got out of the manufacturing business because it was capital-intensive. It wouldn't have made a difference where the factory is based. Tim Cook got Apple out of the business of mass production because he didn't like inventory staying on the balance sheet too long. He wanted Apple's inventory gone as soon as possible.

Apple doesn't own any of its manufacturers. It doesn't actually "make" its products. It designs the products and then selects a manufacturer to build or supply the components for its products. Any company operating like this has no choice but to go wherever the component supplier is based. If the supplier is not available in the US, then there's not a lot that Apple can do, other than build that factory in-house, but Apple doesn't want to do that because it doesn't want to incur the capital costs of that factory.

For those who say Apple should "make its phones in the USA", tell me how Apple would accomplish that. Describe it in light of the fact that Apple got out of manufacturing altogether.
 
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I know right? :rolleyes:

Sam. The way some people post on the internet, one would be forgiven for thinking they've never heard of... you know... the internet. The info is all there for those who actually want to know.

5 seconds typing "samsung manufacturing in india"

India is preventing India from getting those thousands of factory jobs. India is just not an attractive destination for manufacturing. If people say US infrastructure is in bad shape, they should look at India. That will make them really appreciate American infrastructure. That's not because of foreign companies taking jobs away. That's because of corrupt government. Fixing those kinds of problems and actually making India attractive for manufacturing will do far more to generate jobs than these kinds of meaningless regulations.

Apple's products are not "made in China." They're assembled in China. That's an important distinction. It is very unfortunate that people are not interested in this important distinction. Assembly involves receiving the components and putting them together. That's what Foxconn does and it's only a small percentage of the total value of iPhone. Apple got out of the manufacturing business because it was capital-intensive. It wouldn't have made a difference where the factory is based. Tim Cook got Apple out of the business of mass production because he didn't like inventory staying on the balance sheet too long. He wanted Apple's inventory gone as soon as possible.

Apple doesn't own any of its manufacturers. It doesn't actually "make" its products. It designs the products and then selects a manufacturer to build or supply the components for its products. Any company operating like this has no choice but to go wherever the component supplier is based. If the supplier is not available in the US, then there's not a lot that Apple can do, other than build that factory in-house, but Apple doesn't want to do that because it doesn't want to incur the capital costs of that factory.

For those who say Apple should "make its phones in the USA", tell me how Apple would accomplish that. Describe it in light of the fact that Apple got out of manufacturing altogether.

Samsung seems to be doing quite a bit of manufacturing in India. India has restrictions. Apple can choose to either accept those restrictions or not. India can't lose what it doesn't have right now.

Apple chooses not to manufacture in the US. For many reasons. They could if they wanted. Apple can also choose to do business in India. That choice is theirs to make.
 
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