Apple Not Able to Open Retail Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

[dreamcast]

But didn't he boycott Apple's products because they didn't help the FBI last time?

i love how europeans and anybody with a laptop seem to "know" whats best for the US; Its polls and not pools. The polls i see say he will be the next President, and he will stop all these foreign countries mistreating us like the Indian Gov. and everybody else!

 

[Bonte]

All Apple has to do is open a solar- or windmill plant to get to that 30% and it's a business they already got experience with. A data center comes into mind, internet provider, banking, etc...

 

[niun]

foreign countries mistreating us

Who is the 'us' in that.. Tim?

I've never seen so many people rush to the aid of a company that earns more cash than most countries and pays less tax than a Walmart greeter!

 

[actinide]

i love how europeans and anybody with a laptop seem to "know" whats best for the US; Its polls and not pools. The polls i see say he will be the next President, and he will stop all these foreign countries mistreating us like the Indian Gov. and everybody else!

Yeah sure he is the president we need [Sarcasm]
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/19/politics/donald-trump-2006-hopes-real-estate-market-crashes/ --> surely this proves he is committed into doing good [again sarcasm]
By the way one of many, many, maaaaany blunders by the hands of Drumpf. Yet he is in the race of becoming President one of the great nations of the world. Not something we ought to be proud of.
Hilary is not much better than Drumpf fyi.

 

[ForkHandles]

I never said that India should be like the USA. The USA is certainly much better, but it is by no means perfect. What I said was that the only proper function of a legitimate government is the uncompromising protection of individual rights. Period. That means the complete repudiation of the initiation of physical force from human affairs.

To assert that my views are valid in one country and invalid, or not necessarily valid in another, is to assert that there is no such thing as an objective truth, and that reality changes depending on location, or popularity, or authority. It is to completely disregard the fact that reality exists completely independent of location, popularity, or authority. Reality doesn't care what you, a dictator, or most people think, it exists completely independent of these things. Therefore, the principles by which a proper government exists are as absolute, and uncompromising as the reality on which they are founded.

To hold the view that other countries don't have to be better, or worse, they can simply be "different" is to validate my assertion that you hold the view that there is no such thing as objective truth, which is to hold the view that reality exists as anyone wants to see it exist, or feels like it exists. It is also to reject the virtue of justice; to reject the judgement of values as immoral, and treat all countries as though they are equally legitimate. This is ghastly and absurd. You cannot tell me with a straight face, and a clean conscience that America is morally equivalent to Stalin's Russia, or Hitler's Germany.

The difference in the moralities of these countries is not rooted in a view of the "Almighty Dollar," it is rooted in the fact that America was a country which largely protected individual rights, while these other countries, and hundreds like them throughout history, rejected these rights. The right to keep the wealth you produce is a product of this underlying ethic, not a primary. To reject this right, you must first say, "The individual has no right to exist for himself, he is only an animal whose purpose is indentured servitude to others." Then, you may rob him in the name of some mystical, "Greater Good."

America has certainly made its own mistakes throughout history, but India is NOT welcome to make them as well.

Thanks for the clarification.
I recognise your system of government, I live quite happily under a similar system. Your objective truth that government is there to defend the rights of individuals is also nice. However very few of Earth's 206 countries have a Bill of Rights as you do in the US, therefore it is likely and correct that different countries have developed disimilar 'rights', ones that suit their moral, social and spiritual outlooks.

In 1947 India became independent, independent from the UK, that is, as we had a habit of stealing countries back in the day. As a result India's parliament is very similar in set up to ours, their democracy is very similar to ours and their laws up until 1947 were very similar to ours. Since that time the representatives of the people (MPs) have shaped their legal frameworks for the good of the country and the Indian people. If this includes protectionist measures to safeguard lifestyles then great, this does not imply that the people are being oppressed.

My argument is not whether government should protect individual rights but that they have a choice how to fulfil their duty and that it doesn't have to happen in the American way. For example, France, a perfectly brilliant country, has a completely different system of judiciary to you and I. Americans largely use English 'Common Law' and have seen to adapt it to their moral, social and spiritual outlooks. The French however use a system of codes, there is no jury of your peers, witnesses can't be addressed by legal representatives and there is no system of legal precedent. The French like this, justice gets enacted, it is different, not better, not worse, just different.

 

[Rocketman]

Given the value and popularity of their goods, they would have to open a mass-market department and grocery store in front and a little computer shop in back to accomplish that.

 

[ForkHandles]

It's more to do with an equal playing fields for all markets... its pure protectionism by india.
What would be the result if the rest of the world forced the same rules on india?

I find it wrong, and distasteful..

Found this on Wiki. Hope it's not too distasteful!

Currently the US is the most protectionist country which has introduced the most protectionist measures. According to Global Trade Alert the US has adopted nearly 800 protectionist measures since the Global Economic Crisis in 2008.[1][2][3]

 

[4Apples]

The solution is not that hard.. Apple should sell covers and accessories made in India in their country stores. I think it's a smart economical move for India. The interesting part is that Apple is not considered cutting edge in that country anymore.. hmm

 

[bushido]

reminds me of that proposed law from the EU that will require streaming services to provide 30% local / european content

 

[maddogmorris]

Apple will have to meet the mark if they want to play.

Apple is going to have to put on it's Big Boy pants if it wants stores there.

 

[OllyW]

reminds me of that proposed law from the EU that will require streaming services to provide 30% local / european content

The EU are proposing a minimum of 20% local content.

 

[kdarling]

The solution is not that hard.. Apple should sell covers and accessories made in India in their country stores. I think it's a smart economical move for India. The interesting part is that Apple is not considered cutting edge in that country anymore.. hmm

The rule is purposely vague, but basically in this case, "cutting edge" simply means "cannot be made in India."

I think what they're hinting at, is that if iPhones can be assembled in China, they can be assembled in India as well.

It probably didn't help that Cook just made a speech in India talking about how smart Indian youth are, and how manufacturing there would be so easy. Oops! Plus the government is under fire for relaxing the foreign investment rules too much.

 

[AirunJae]

Yes, the country is run via bribes.

I believe Lobbying and Bribes are synonyms

 

[TallManNY]

Well with the article the other day about Foxconn decreasing its numbers of workers working on the iPhone by 40% due to automating the manufacturing process, these countries may not be so happy focusing on getting manufacturing jobs. Now I don't believe that article is fully accurate. But the point does remain that heavy reliance on manufacturing jobs is likely to be a negative for economies in the very near future. India has a huge, educated, and English speaking populace. That should give them a tremendous advantage competing on the World stage. But they haven't done as well as folks would have guessed they would have twenty years ago.

Now I wonder if Apple can just add a bunch of locally made product lines to their stores to meet this requirement. Apple already sells third party stuff. So could they sell third party cases and headphones that are locally made and other things in their stores to get around this?

 

[unplugme71]

Apple has two choices

1. Fix the problem by sourcing products in India

2. Pay them off

Most companies choose #2. Fixing the problem requires too much effort.
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Well with the article the other day about Foxconn decreasing its numbers of workers working on the iPhone by 40% due to automating the manufacturing process, these countries may not be so happy focusing on getting manufacturing jobs. Now I don't believe that article is fully accurate. But the point does remain that heavy reliance on manufacturing jobs is likely to be a negative for economies in the very near future. India has a huge, educated, and English speaking populace. That should give them a tremendous advantage competing on the World stage. But they haven't done as well as folks would have guessed they would have twenty years ago.

Now I wonder if Apple can just add a bunch of locally made product lines to their stores to meet this requirement. Apple already sells third party stuff. So could they sell third party cases and headphones that are locally made and other things in their stores to get around this?

I'd like to see China's reaction when we are full automation overseas and bring down the factory worker count to 3 for each building lol

 

[ChrisTX]

but the ministry of finance has decided Apple's products do not fall into the cutting-edge technology category

if that isn't a slap in the face, I don't know what is

LOL, that was the funniest part of the article.

 

[VulchR]

I would love to see India become a counterweight to the PRC, but frankly this move is raw protectionism. I can see their motivation, but trade wars tend to turn into wars.

 

[EvilEvil]

Define most? What percentage of 1 BILLION+ people with enough cash would be sufficient to whet the appetites of electronics companies?
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Is it wrong of me to laugh so much at this one? Probably is. I'll stop now. Just a minute. Okay. Okay, I'm done.

98% of the population.

 

[AFEPPL]

Found this on Wiki. Hope it's not too distasteful!

Currently the US is the most protectionist country which has introduced the most protectionist measures. According to Global Trade Alert the US has adopted nearly 800 protectionist measures since the Global Economic Crisis in 2008.[1][2][3]

But it doesn't change what India and China is doing.
The question stands... what would india (and china) do if everyone else starts to say the same thing?
I want the UK to start doing the same. (EU is near the bottom. Im not american).

 

[brianvictor7]

98% of the population.

98% of the population must be able to afford an iPhone/Mac before it is worthwhile for Apple to sell in a country?

 

[kdarling]

Now I wonder if Apple can just add a bunch of locally made product lines to their stores to meet this requirement. Apple already sells third party stuff. So could they sell third party cases and headphones that are locally made and other things in their stores to get around this?

Only if those items make up at least 30% of the sales by value.

On the good side, the rule gives five years to get fully compliant.

One of the problems is that Apple products are already available in stores there. Local newspapers say that Apple Stores would simply shift some sales jobs around, and lower the revenue for smaller stores. Same as happens wherever a Walmart opens.

 

[macintologist]

If India is so smart then why is their country so poor?

 

[Datalinks]

Apple is not cutting-edge, it's cutting-price

 

[vvs14]

And you evade. I will ask you again. By what means does this government prevent Apple from opening these stores? By the initiation of Reason? Or by the initiation of Force?

So you mean to say if under present laws, Apple opening am Apple Store is illegal, and they go ahead and do it anyways, the government should not use force to stop them from doing it? Sure, they will be served legal notices first. If they don't comply, then force will be used as in case of any other illegal activity. Thats how law enforcement works.

 

[niun]

If India is so smart then why is their country so poor?

If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, is this still a bloody stupid comment?