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They're really expensive, and that doesn't justify the initiation of force that is the Indian government keeping Apple from building stores there. If they Want to build stores there, its because they see value in it and think that their customers will see value in it as well. The Indian government is robbing its people of value, and their rights.



They have no right to initiate force to do that. Apple products are extremely expensive there because of rights violating, protectionist games like these. Purely evil.



They are Violating Apple's rights in initiating force against them to stop them from building these stores. They have no right to do it. Little fascist policies like these keep the prices of these devices high in this country, violate the rights of everyone involved, and rob the Indian people of value.

And who gives a damn what the Indian government wants? They have no RIGHT to INITIATE force against anyone, for any reason, ever. That includes Apple, for the purpose of achieving x economic goal, at any point in time. To advocate for an initiation of force by right is a gross misunderstanding of the fundamental basis on which rights rest.



Speaking of missing the point, why don't you go ahead and explain to me how the fact that Apple products are already sole there at hugely inflated prices, then permits the Indian government to violate the rights of Apple, and the Indian people by Initiating force against them to prevent Apple from providing the economic value of an Apple Store to the Indian people. Explain to me by what right or whim they negate property rights, and intervene in a voluntary exchange of economic value.



By what right do they negate property rights, and intervene in a voluntary exchange of economic value?



Trade wars hurt everyone. uncompromising freedom is the only proper solution.

And with any luck, we'll get the evil B**** or the full blown fascist instead of that stealth fascist parading around as a champion of free markets and Capitalism.



What about them? Does the fact that Apple products are available from other sources at hugely inflated prices permit the Indian government the right to violate the rights of Apple and its people by negating property rights, and individual rights more broadly? Just because they want to accomplish some arbitrary economic metric?



Like hell it is. That's pure fascism, and that's some scary s*** to be reading. I really hope you don't live in America. India does not make the rules, reality does. The only purpose of any legitimate government is the uncompromising protection of individual rights, and that does not mean violating the rights of Apple, and the Indian people just because some backwards arm of their backwards government want to accomplish some arbitrary economic goal.



Protectionism hurst everyone involved. This government is Violating Apple's rights by initiating force against them to prevent them from providing this economic value to India's people, and it is violating the rights of its people by refusing them the right to voluntarily engage in economic trade to mutual benefit with other individuals. Everybody loses. Where does it say that the indian people must produce the products they buy? Whats wrong with creating other types of value and then trading for that value instead? And how the hell does anyone think that they're smart enough to get the arbitrary number of this arbitrary metric right? Because they work for the government? Ridiculous, and inexcusable violation of rights.

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And you know, not a single response came out in defense of the rights of Apple, or the Indian people. Crazy. What the hell is happening to the world...

This is not protectionism at all. If a rule does not suit a foreign company, that doe not mean the policy is protectionist... Apple is free to sell its products right now also. They are expensive because Apple chooses to keep them expensive. If you think selling them through their own retail store would drastically reduce the price, you are wrong. The government is in no way initiating force. Just looking after the interests of is own people.
 
The ruling class in India couldn't care less about the average worker. The country is filled with corruption at every level. I think what this finance ministry really wants is just some payola.

The ruling class in India/USA couldn't care less about the average worker... filled with corruption at every level.

As can be said about the USA! Guess which corruption and elitism the citizens of USA should care about!
 
Oculus saying as soon as Apple makes a decent computer they can support it, and India saying Apple is not cutting edge enough.

It's so funny if it wasn't true.
Sadly I think Apple is so pig headed, and thinks IT RIGHT, it will simply try to find ways around these things as opposed to actually getting back to making decent computers again as they used to, so well.
 
How absurd, here is a country with plenty of poverty yet the Communist thinking Government won't allow this so that folks can get jobs and feed their families. Not a fan of Made in China or even a fan of India but the Indian Government is pretty backwards thinking. Specially after Cook just had such a high profile visit to the country. Wow!

-Mike
 
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How absurd, here is a country with plenty of poverty yet the Communist thinking Government won't allow this so that folks can get jobs and feed their families. Not a fan of Made in China or even a fan of India but the Indian Government is pretty backwards thinking. Specially after Cook just had such a high profile visit to the country. Wow!

-Mike


Wow... Anything does not go Apple way must be communist thinking...

This is first time someone accuse India being so communist... You are the prime example for ignorant American

So you think Tim Cook visiting India is giving them a favour and India must return a favour! And you think Indians must dying for Apple's job posting. No! Nobody really care about Apple not able to open its store in India
 
How absurd, here is a country with plenty of poverty yet the Communist thinking Government won't allow this so that folks can get jobs and feed their families. Not a fan of Made in China or even a fan of India but the Indian Government is pretty backwards thinking. Specially after Cook just had such a high profile visit to the country. Wow!

-Mike
They are just saying to manufacture in India as it will be cheaper to manufacture in India.
 
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Not to ruffle feathers, but... If Trump were to do this in the USA, people would lose it and hate him. India deserves a medal for telling them "no".

America first... India first :cool:

I guess Apple will be pushing Foxconn to fast track those factories. By then, it will be too little, too late. China and android own India.

Besides, Apple is incapable of putting a proper MSRP on an iPhone. 5C/SE... These were their "budget" models. Not sure what planet $600+ is considered affordable o_O

Xiaomi has unbelievable phones for less than $200... Why would anyone buy an iPhone there?

Edit: My mistake on the SE price. $400 is the entry price but that is in the USA. Maybe someone from India could round that up for me? That's gotta be pushing $5-550 by the time it gets in an Indian hand?

Still, 2-3 times what a nice Chinese Android phone would cost.
 
It's hard to tell what cutting edge in India means. Running water and toilets? Air conditioning?

To be perfect candid, India has had running water and toilets since 3300 BC -
"Among other things, they contain the world's earliest known system of flush toilets"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_of_the_Indus_Valley_Civilisation

You may want to read a little history before asserting the inferiority of their race.
Do you not think India's image, it's synonymity poverty, had anything to do with the fact it was under foreign rule in one for or another since the 10th century, especially in the north-western states; 1000 years of Islamic conquests followed by 300 years of British imperialistic sovereignty, had left the numerous princely states ravished, it's wealth looted, and the people broken.
 
These kind of politics are why I would never want to be CEO of a major multinational company.
And probably a good reason why Tim Cook is the man for the job. Apple's challenges in the international field now go way beyond just coming up with the next big thing.

He may not be much of a product guy, but I am sure he can steer Apple through these challenges.
 
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India really is putting Apple under the pump. Good on India for trying to negotiate a deal that suits their country's own objectives instead of simply accepting another corporation setting up shop, using the workers only to then move on with little benefit to the country. Play hard ball, India.

Yeah - brilliant business & economic strategy for India. How have their strategies worked out so far for their standard of living and well being of their population?
 
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How absurd, here is a country with plenty of poverty yet the Communist thinking Government won't allow this so that folks can get jobs and feed their families. Not a fan of Made in China or even a fan of India but the Indian Government is pretty backwards thinking. Specially after Cook just had such a high profile visit to the country. Wow!

-Mike

Actually what they want is more jobs and for their economy to be supported. That's why they are saying no to less than what they want. Oh "specially after cook just had a high profile visit" - Now WHY do you think Cook WAS over there? WOW indeed.
 
By what right do they negate property rights, and intervene in a voluntary exchange of economic value?

Trade wars hurt everyone. uncompromising freedom is the only proper solution.


What about them? Does the fact that Apple products are available from other sources at hugely inflated prices permit the Indian government the right to violate the rights of Apple and its people by negating property rights, and individual rights more broadly? Just because they want to accomplish some arbitrary economic metric?

Like hell it is. That's pure fascism,

of any legitimate government is the uncompromising protection of individual rights, and that does not mean violating the rights of Apple.

Protectionism hurst everyone involved. This government is Violating Apple's rights by initiating force against them to prevent them from providing this economic value to India's people, and it is violating the rights of its people by refusing them the right to voluntarily engage in economic trade to mutual benefit with other individuals. Where does it say that the indian people must produce the products they buy? Ridiculous, and inexcusable violation of rights.

What a rant?

Where does it say that the indian people must produce the products they buy?

Every economic common sense!

Have you noticed what Walmart and the cheap Chine imports have done to the USA's middle class?

Apple is a company incorporated in the USA, manufacturing in Chine and Taiwan, and routing their profits via some island of the European West coast! Apple really has NO right in India!

By your standards, only the .001% of the USA, India or any nation's population will benefit - the ultra rich middlemen who do not produce or innovate - just dictate from glass towers.
 
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Yeah - brilliant business & economic strategy for India. How have their strategies worked out so far for their standard of living and well being of their population?

^This. I guess if they can't rise out of the third world on their own, they have to get leverage somehow..

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Tim Cook just got played by the Indian government. This is why you don't bend over for these corrupt Indian and Chinese governments...they will screw you over the first chance they get and you will be left with nothing to show for your pandering.
 
How absurd, here is a country with plenty of poverty yet the Communist thinking Government won't allow this so that folks can get jobs and feed their families. Not a fan of Made in China or even a fan of India but the Indian Government is pretty backwards thinking. Specially after Cook just had such a high profile visit to the country. Wow!

-Mike
Your logic and math are unassailable. Let's see, India can take a few retail jobs or require a manufacturing plant which will, conservatively speaking, produce 1 or 2 more jobs than a few Apple stores.:rolleyes:
 
Because Samsung is most regarded and influential corporation in South Korea.
True, but as I recall its apple's rules for stores the issue. IIRC something about a minimum amount of space for the store. Which has issues. Its problematic to get that space need met. Visit Seoul's electronics market or shopping districts like Myeong-dong and this hard to meet becomes clear. its asia...you don't get the ample space you would get in the states as readily. I can't speak for Europe, never been there.

Apple could be flexible here. Samsung doesn't run the country. Stores like Frisbee do quite well and are apple only (well besides the universal BT device and such even apple stores sell).

Apple also seems to have been flexible in Japan. I didn't whip out the tape measure but I have seen the apple store in Shibuya Tokyo. eyeballing it, about the same size really as a Frisbee store I saw in Seoul. Maybe frisbee a bit smaller but if so...apple is splitting hairs to the point of being pricks about it. And no where near the size of a US apple store for sure.
 
^This. I guess if they can't rise out of the third world on their own, they have to get leverage somehow..

Irony being that the USA's economy is often very much a house of cards. While a "rich" country - there seems to be an incredible amount of people who aren't working, can't east, schools that can't afford books and supplies and are overcrowded, and so on.

I'm not saying India is better off or without it's problems. But Let's not stoop to insulting an entire country. And you're not the only one doing it - so I'm not just talking about you...
 
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