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Apple noticed low adoption / is strong arming iOS 26+
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Lovely story, but not sure what that has to do with anything in this thread.
We've veered so far off topic, it's a free for all at this point.
(and how is this not evidence of some strong undying emotional connection to mega corporation?)
I think we just all don't understand the point, and nobody really cares anymore because you're quite difficult and don't seem interested in other POVs or an actual discussion.
Help me to understand what the appropriate response is to the dude loving that he bought an m1 MacBook in 2020
“Oh wow I did not know you did that”
“Yes the MacBook is a great device, was a good first gen product to go for” (that is my opinion fwiw but struggling to understand the relevancy to the topic. Or the political crap that has nothing to do with adoption rates or 18.7.4h
You have run out of arguments so it must necessarily be that I’m “quite difficult” as to the reason why you’re unable to really provide counter arguments or counter what I provided with those stats about iOS 26 adoption rates.
Do you understand the absurdity of this? lol
We can keep going but you don’t like my personality that’s why my arguments stink. I hear you loud and clear. I just a) don’t care b) am not convinced it’s a sound argument in relation to the overall discussion
It’s not hard to understand. It’s anti consumer to lock out people on a year old device on software that will be a year old from using apples main communication methods. What is difficult to conceptually understand about my argument whether you agree or you don’t? Is it really that hard to follow?
You even encouraged me to pick up an iPhone XS so I can continue enjoying iMessage in 2027 on iOS 18. I also don’t think that’s valid when this is an artificial restriction. Why would I go 6 years back hardware wise and spend more money just to restore functionality I should continue to have in early 2027? You would say that with a straight face if you worked at a carrier store, and not expect kick back?
You think it’s fantastic they’re doing that. I don’t.
As always agree to disagree
HouseLannister
macrumors 68040
Help me understand the lack of reading comprehension skills. Blue Quark said he only has one Apple device because he needed a laptop 5 years ago. He also says he has switched to Linux. Where is his Apple love coming from?
I'm typing this on a Windows PC and my phone is a Pixel 10 Pro. Am I also showing too much Apple love in this thread?
ok but there isn't another single post from this person in this thread.
Main character syndrome much @Blue Quark ?
How about my remarks of undying emotional connection to Apple was mostly intended for @kody137 who I've been spending the bulk of my time communicating with, not you, who came out of nowhere.
And occasionally @I7guy as well who tries to gaslight people across multiple threads into un-seeing and un-experiencing bugs that they are on their own device*
Because he has a great experience, must necessarily mean every other person does as well. And if they don't, he's here to tell them they do. Whereas I can admit some will some won't -- too many factors involved. Not hard to understand, and not my first rodeo with Apple products / iOS / macOS etc etc.
Again you all think its terrific 18.7.3 and below on iOS 26 capable devices will not be able to use iMessage FaceTime or activate their device if they buy old inventory after January 2027. You all can be Customer service reps for Apple when they come crying and complaining here next year. We will direct all these people to you, who can assure they "just click the update button" or "you're looking at it wrong"
Good day. Truly am gonna bow out here because I feel I've lost brain cells from this sycophantic slop.
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First off, you're getting your ********ers mixed up becaause I'm not sure what most of that has to do with me lol. I've never talked about what computer I used, I've never made this update political, I've never even mentioned an iPhone XS in this thread. I haven't told you what to do or think at any point during this conversation, because I don't care what you do. I'm just pointing out things I don't agree with, which if that's not something you fancy, you shouldn't post your opinions on an internet forum. It's interesting that you tell me I've ran out of arguments, but whenever I ask you a question you don't like the answer too you just happen to not see those messages. I've never even claimed I think anything Apple is doing is fantastic. You're really making a lot of assumptions about opinions I haven't shared tbh
You should go into therapy if you think you've discovered so much about where my emotions lie from this thread, you could make a killing!
apologies @kody137 it was this guy. You all have similar 'takes' its hard to distinguish one from the other:
What's the question I have not addressed? You ask the question AND simultaneously give the answer? Confus-ed.
Nobody thinks this outcome would be terrific, it's just nobody cares because it hasn't happened yet, and we don't know that it will. Like I said before, should this happen, I will be mad with you. But you're mad about something that nobody outside of Apple really understands, and nobody has any information besides some release notes, that very well could just be misinterpreted.
No worries, this is probably harder when you're the one in the hot seat 🤣 No sweat
Gotta give me some credit. I am literally responding to 12 people at the same time.
I respect that you agree if this were to happen, it would not be good.
By all accounts, many others are saying it's fine and even praiseworthy behavior if this were to happen because at least they've updated legacy devices as if that helps people not on legacy devices that want to stay on iOS 18. That's an argument that literally makes no sense, it's not just a matter of disagreeing it's not logical.
'If you're starving on the street, well at least you got help by way of someone else being given a glass of water at a restaurant.'
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It is an artificial restriction, and my argument is it's being restricted artificially because of low adoption rates of iOS 26. Given this has not happened since 6 to 7, it's either a major coincidence or there's something there. You are welcome to disagree, but even if that theory is not true, which we will not know unless we made executive decisions at Cupertino, in any which direction it's still stinky anti consumer practice.
You can say 'it doesn't affect me I always update' but that doesn't change that it is anti consumer for people who are impacted.
For sure, if I end up having to make that video of me eating my shoes, you'll be the first person to see it, scouts honors.Gotta give me some credit. I am literally responding to 12 people at the same time.
I respect that you agree if this were to happen, it would not be good.
By all accounts, many others are saying it's fine and even praiseworthy behavior because at least they've updated legacy devices as if that helps people not on legacy devices that want to stay on iOS 18. That's an argument that literally makes no sense, it's not just a matter of disagreeing it's not logical.
'If you're starving on the street, well at least you got help by way someone else being given a glass of water at a restaurant.'
It is an artificial restriction, and my argument is because of low adoption rates of iOS 26. Given this has not happened since 6 to 7, it's either a major coincidence or there's something there.
Just make sure it is done under strict supervision of a gastroenterologist, as I advised earlier.
Contrary to the sinister caricature I have been made out to be, I don't want anything negative to happen to you for holding a different opinion.
I genuinely am also doing this to pass the time. But also genuinely mind blown very few people are understanding my larger point, which I thought was rather simple: being shut out of basic services on what will be 12 month old software wreaks of poo. If it were any other company like Google or Samsung, you all would be dogpiling in their direction. That's what led me so far down the rabbit hole, but I really do feel like it's a 'oh yeah? well I bought this product because it suited MY needs. How's that for fanboyism?!?!' and I don't think that lends credibility to anything.
I'm not recruiting for a 18.7.3 diehard cult or nothing -- don't worry. No gofundme here.
And Apple will still happily take my money for my next iProduct, even having choice words about their decisions on MR. Despite all my groveling, they still do make the best products. Otherwise I would've checked out as a customer long ago. Directionally, I still like them but no I don't agree with every single decision they put forth. That seems like total madness.
Lol, I can't speak for others, but there's no beef here haha. Pretty low stakes on MR forums, I have never taken any of this serious haha
This thread is either gonna age very poorly or very well
If I’m way off base I can quite easily concede. I am not a time traveler.
I can as easily concede that some people have good experience with software X or hardware Y or software X on hardware Y in all directions including a bad experience Since there are so many things under consideration, not the least of all perception.
Even if people unfairly hold off updating software because they’ve been burned in the past, but the new update turns out to be fine, I don’t at all fault them considering there is no downgrade path if things go wrong. Battery life being hypothetically halved for a bunch of features someone didn’t want or doesn’t care about or straight up doesn’t want wouldn’t be an even exchange in my view. As a hypothetical. Especially considering it’s a MOBILE device we’re talking about not a wall tethered device. And an expensive one at that. Not everyone has the means to throw money at the problem for a solution.
BUT for those who say this is all fine and dandy, I will be sure to direct those that are livid that stayed behind that can’t iMessage anymore to be gaslit into believing this is actually for the greater good. And equally when told to “just update” if they come across major concessions by doing so, will also direct to the same people.
When individuals are livid and have valid complaints we’ll pull some people out from the back room to assure them “no don’t worry it’s fine. Next” for words of comfort.
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Nice neutral post that reflects the reality of this update. Which is not very different than past upgrades.
The only thing is those who refuse to update to iOS 26 and are “livid” have no one to blame but themselves.
This is the one spot I will stand up and defend OP, I don't think anyone should be FORCED to update a device to continue using core services, especially for such a new device. Where I disagree with OP is in our belief of if this is actually how the scenario will play out. If someone doesn't want to use iOS 26 because they prefer the look and feel of 18, that's their perogative. Now if we were talking about someone stuck on like iOS 12, then sure let's get them updated so they are on a more secure release, but there won't be many security fixes in 26 that wouldn't be back ported to earlier OSs.
My main issue with this thread is that the OP came across rather confrontational. In other words you were either with him or against him.
Blue Quark
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
While you might not like my take on this, you are not forced to upgrade. You have to reconcile yourselves to live with the deficits of not upgrading.
Yeah that's fair enough. Stay on something outdated long enough, and you just have to expect it won't work 100
srf4real
macrumors 68040
Why u banned, bro? I hate it too. Being tricked / forced into iOS 26 basically ruined the Apple experience for me. Nail in the coffin. I've been a Mac fan since 1998 and they get more and more creepy the longer Mr. Jobs has been gone. You know it's because of AI, right? They want the whole Apple eco-system, cloud, and all its users to be under the observation and direction of their AI. It's the reason I planned to decline a new phone and new OS. They snuck it in on us anyway and Tim Cook will rather lose customers (me) than to allow us free will.
in the iOS 12.5.8, iOS 15.8.6, and iOS 18.7.4 release notes, Apple says:
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The implications of this update are insane and scummy tbh. essentially anyone on a device that can support iOS 26 will be forced to update to a later version by January 2027 or apple services will stop working. And you can’t update to these newest versions with latest certificate *unless* you have a device that only goes up to 12/15/18 geez.
So if you’re staying behind purposefully on say iOS 18, even the last one you could grab 18.7.3, you only have a year before you can either OTA to some extended support EOL iOS 26 security update or presumably iOS 27 by then since we are talking about Jan 2027 deadline
EDIT 2/4/26:
Upon further review, there is also past precedent for this in iOS 7 days despite peoples' repeated, committed denial of it (or in many cases incorrectly interpreting the 'argument' I've outlined based on release notes and 18.7.4 that has the new certs not being signed specifically for IOS 26 capable devices):
iOS 6 Users on Devices Able to Run iOS 7 Must Upgrade to Fix FaceTime
Apple today released a new support document, detailing the issue behind the recent problems some iOS 6 users have been experiencing with FaceTime. According to Apple, a bug resulting from an expired device certificate has rendered FaceTime unusable on older versions of iOS and the only solution...www.macrumors.com
digimc
macrumors 6502
Just wait till IOS27 comes out later this year. Then people will be talking about how they wish they had stayed on IOS26. 🤣
It's literally becoming an Apple family tradition.
Look seriously. I don't have a huge issue with Apple phasing out security certs on older platforms. It is a pain to constantly debug that sh@t. I used to do it for a living and retired and moved away from that and now write books on fishing and sports and outdoors. Please don't judge me.
I know that a lot of people have had major issues with IOS 26 since its release. I haven't had too many issues, and I am in the huge minority of people that actually like Liquid Glass. I honestly think it's one of the best looks Apple has ever introduced. But I recognize, again, that I am in the minority. I do believe that most of the bugs will soon be fixed, like with all major OS overhauls. It just takes time.
Now if you do not like the new design ethos that Apple has laid down, well that's another story. I guess if you fall into that camp, you might be looking at Apple alternatives in the future. But I do say it really is best to take a wait and see approach here. We really do not know what Apple is going to do, especially with the full AI implementation with Siri still to be rolled out and of course major changes to IOS coming with the iPhone Fold set to debut later this year.
Apple has a lot on their plate and none of us really know what they are going to do.
It's literally becoming an Apple family tradition.
Look seriously. I don't have a huge issue with Apple phasing out security certs on older platforms. It is a pain to constantly debug that sh@t. I used to do it for a living and retired and moved away from that and now write books on fishing and sports and outdoors. Please don't judge me.
I know that a lot of people have had major issues with IOS 26 since its release. I haven't had too many issues, and I am in the huge minority of people that actually like Liquid Glass. I honestly think it's one of the best looks Apple has ever introduced. But I recognize, again, that I am in the minority. I do believe that most of the bugs will soon be fixed, like with all major OS overhauls. It just takes time.
Now if you do not like the new design ethos that Apple has laid down, well that's another story. I guess if you fall into that camp, you might be looking at Apple alternatives in the future. But I do say it really is best to take a wait and see approach here. We really do not know what Apple is going to do, especially with the full AI implementation with Siri still to be rolled out and of course major changes to IOS coming with the iPhone Fold set to debut later this year.
Apple has a lot on their plate and none of us really know what they are going to do.
srf4real
macrumors 68040
My MAIN issue, unlike the OP complaint.. is that in late summer 2025 my iPhone alerted me to an iOS 18 security update and when all was said and done the reboot left me on iOS 26. I have done sooo many Apple software updates.. and have never before "accidentally" landed on an unintended OS upgrade. I was furious. Still am. Not only does it suck (iOS26) but it sucks bad. Brand new phone, brand new OS, and I get flickering screens? WTAF