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You’re citing when iOS, wait I mean iPhone OS because it wasn’t even yet called iOS , updates were behind a paywall? Oh man that makes me nostalgic

Should we also reminisce about how you had to jailbreak to install apps because the App Store didn’t exist?

Straw man arguments

I am astounded by the amount of mental gymnastics involved for one to self gaslight over anything Apple.
If it were any other company ..
Absolutely no mental gymnastics involved whatsoever, it was the case with iPhone OS 1.1.5, 3.2.1 and 3.2.2, 6.1.5 and 6.1.6, 9.3.6…
It has always been the case.
When a new version of iOS is available for devices, that is what is pushed. If a device cannot upgrade to the new version of iOS, sometimes it receives security updates on the previous one that new devices *cannot* get.
This is how it has been since 2008.
You can complain all day, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s been this way for almost 20 years, it’s not exclusive to 26 just because you don’t like 26.
Also notice, I didn’t say that I agree with it. But also, if I disagreed with it strong enough to make an entire threat about it, I would have done so… back in 2008. Or 2010. Or 2015. Or 2017. Or 2022.
At this point, it’s old news, it’s not new policy, it’s the way they’ve been doing things for years.
 
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Absolutely no mental gymnastics involved whatsoever, it was the case with iPhone OS 1.1.5, 3.2.1 and 3.2.2, 6.1.5 and 6.1.6, 9.3.6…
It has always been the case.
When a new version of iOS is available for devices, that is what is pushed. If a device cannot upgrade to the new version of iOS, sometimes it receives security updates on the previous one that new devices *cannot* get.
This is how it has been since 2008.
You can complain all day, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s been this way for almost 20 years, it’s not exclusive to 26 just because you don’t like 26.

So you are purposefully ignoring where I asked to cite specific examples where apple services are rendered inoperable from lack of updates on older versions?

Related to the very subject that is the whole point of the thread

..Yet you move the goal post.
 
So you are purposefully ignoring where I asked to cite specific examples where apple services are rendered inoperable from lack of updates on older versions?

Related to the very subject that is the whole point of the thread

..Yet you move the goal post.
iCloud backup was rendered functionless on iOS 8 and earlier in 2024.
Apple has warned that beginning February 10, the Home app will no longer function on versions before iOS 16.2.
iOS 6 broke compatibility with FaceTime.
The YouTube app broke in 2010 for both iPhone OS 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0. This was when the YouTube app still came built-in.
If you updated any device to iOS 13, Reminders became broken with devices running iOS 12 and earlier.
There are five examples right there.
 
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iCloud backup was rendered functionless on iOS 8 and earlier in 2024.
Apple has warned that beginning February 10, the Home app will no longer function on versions before iOS 16.2.
iOS 6 broke compatibility with FaceTime.
The YouTube app broke in 2010 for both iPhone OS 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0. This was when the YouTube app still came built-in.
If you updated any device to iOS 13, Reminders became broken with devices running iOS 12 and earlier.
There are five examples right there.
We've covered iOS 6 FaceTime issue. You can't re-cite the same example when I've asked for others and add it to the tally.

Youtube/app is not Apple services.

Home App, fair point I suppose ..as of a literal day ago.

Arguably fairer game for a 3 year old OS where not as vital as iMessage and FaceTime and activating a device than what we're discussing.

iCloud backup, also a fair point, perhaps the fairest you've listed, but lots of people don't backup or at least you have local copy as another option.

It can be argued that the infrastructure to support iCloud backup and old Home App R&D are less planned obsolescence and more the cost of maintaining something which is a very small install base for the time it was deprecated.

With iOS 26 install base at roughly 50%, this is not the case for people on iOS 18 (and possibly lower).

Reminders hopefully you can afford me the courtesy of completely ignoring lol.

So you have 2, but they are a stretch though technically in the realm of Apple. And really 1, since iCloud backup is related to an 'Apple service,' Home app is not.

All this to say, it is still an incredibly crappy decision what they are doing, they are opting to do this since it is addressable as can be seen with 18.7.4 on legacy devices, and I think we're going to see an onslaught of surprise and anger that I welcome for people to post here when we're past Jan 2027 deadline.
 
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Youtube/app is not Apple services.
This actually isn't entirely true. When YouTube came built in with iOS, that was an app that was made and managed by Apple. The reason it was removed is because YouTube wanted to take control of their own destiny and ended up releasing an app store version of the app.
 
This actually isn't entirely true. When YouTube came built in with iOS, that was an app that was made and managed by Apple. The reason it was removed is because YouTube wanted to take control of their own destiny and ended up releasing an app store version of the app.

It was baked into the OS due to $$ agreements. It was always YouTube-as-a-Service though. Nevermind 3rd party apps could accommodate this going away and m.youtube.com existing on Safari/other browsers.

It is not a credible equivalent to iMessage FaceTime and device activation going away 12 months after the last update of a major OS on previous gen hardware.

Again, more mental gymnastics and pretzel twists to obfuscate the most obvious considerations that users are being hosed and forced against their will to 'upgrade' be it iOS 26 or to purchasing a newer device for a lot of money after installing iOS 26 and being upset with battery life / performance on a previously perfectly working device. IMO.

Not being able to natively watching cat videos isn't the equivalent of not being able to communicate through normal channels with family members or get past an activation screen if the device has been sitting in a box / wiped.

Close, but no cigar.
 
It was baked into the OS due to $$ agreements. It was always YouTube-as-a-Service though. Nevermind 3rd party apps could accommodate this going away and m.youtube.com existing on Safari/other browsers.

It is not a credible equivalent to iMessage FaceTime and device activation going away 12 months after the last update of a major OS on previous gen hardware.

Again, more mental gymnastics and pretzel twists to obfuscate the most obvious considerations that users are being hosed and forced against their will to 'upgrade' be it iOS 26 or to purchasing a newer device for a lot of money after installing iOS 26 and being upset with battery life / performance on a previously perfectly working device. IMO.

Not being able to natively watching cat videos isn't the equivalent of not being able to communicate through normal channels with family members or get past an activation screen if the device has been sitting in a box / wiped.

Close, but no cigar.
The only mental gymnastics is acting like this is an active problem, when nobody is currently prevented from using iMessage/FaceTime. Like I am exhausted for you at how troubling you find this, when there is currently no problem that exists. Could that be different in January? Sure, and I will send a strongly worded email to Tim Cook alongside you (while I eat my shoes) should that happen, but can't we just worry about what's already released and is actively a problem, instead of some hypothetical? Apple deserves plenty of critisism, I guess I just prefer to spend that energy on a problem that already exists, instead of something that could maybe exist a year from now. Let's spend the energy getting iOS 26 the way you like so it's not really a big deal if you have to upgrade 🤷‍♂️ idk man
 
The only mental gymnastics is acting like this is an active problem, when nobody is currently prevented from using iMessage/FaceTime. Like I am exhausted for you at how troubling you find this, when there is currently no problem that exists. Could that be different in January? Sure

Again, that is the entire point of the thread.

You are saying it's February 2026 on a calendar, not January 2027 present day.
I don't think you'll find a single person who disagrees, though who knows at this point with the way things are present day.

This is just getting incredibly fatiguing.

I honestly am not sure why I keep replying, reflecting on myself.
Maybe just because it gets weirder and weirder / out of morbid curiosity.

Apple needs to pay some of y'all for your relentless 'whatever you want to call it' cause it is impressive on some level.

It seems relatively clear what is going to happen based on
1- past precedent where it's already happened
2- the explicit release notes for 18.7.4
3- walling off said update that fixes the expiration from devices that are capable of iOS 26

Not sure why it still seems like a snowball chance in hell to you, given all of that.

Your other thing is 'spend the energy getting iOS 26 the way you like' how can one do that if it drains the battery life and tanks performance on their current perfectly performing device even taking all precautions (disable background app refresh, turn off location draining apps, don't use social media draining apps, etc.)?

Is there some universal toggle in Settings to make QC less crappy and more accountable, beyond deferring iOS updates with unknown side effects?

At least with macOS, you can roll back to the previous major OS (assuming your Mac is at least as old as that OS). With iOS, you cannot roll back but you also can't stay put now apparently without major basic function omissions.
 
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Not being able to natively watching cat videos isn't the equivalent of not being able to communicate through normal channels with family members or get past an activation screen if the device has been sitting in a box / wiped.
now you're using mental gymnastics, or at least making the issue sound worse than it is. Apple isn't making it so you can't communicate with family members, you just have to accept their terms, the same terms which haven't changed for years. Despite the fact you said it's not about disliking iOS 26, I honestly don't see what else it could be about.

If you take iOS 26 out of the equation, the argument completely falls apart. iOS 12 is one of the versions that got the certificate fix. the iPhone XS can run iOS 12 (in fact, it shipped with it). But there's no iOS 12.5.8 for the XS line. If you own an XS, you have to install iOS 18.7.4 to get it, or stay quiet. Does Apple do this to strong arm iOS 18 and increase its market share? Or is that just how they approach that problem in general.
 
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now you're using mental gymnastics, or at least making the issue sound worse than it is. Apple isn't making it so you can't communicate with family members, you just have to accept their terms, the same terms which haven't changed for years. Despite the fact you said it's not about disliking iOS 26, I honestly don't see what else it could be about.
Of course it is, most peoples families are not going to switch to WhatsApp or some other garbage when messages is right there: give me blue bubbles or give me death. It is one of the most core 'competitive advantage', signature features of iPhone. In fact, changes to Messages app like backgrounds and more emojis and undoing iMessages and stuff like that is often touted as one of the main reasons people should upgrade to a newer version.
Now - whether or not people care about backgrounds, emojis, and undoing messages is another matter. It shouldn't be, you TAKE THESE extra emojis or you don't get to communicate at all.

It's about not forcing people into an update they don't want, because they've been burned too many times with tanked performance and battery life on previous updates that proved to not be worth the squeeze. There is precedent for that anecdotally/individually. And that is more important than some background image.

And why are you taken back by how people perceive iOS 26 too, did you personally make it? That's a weird hang up.
If I didn't like it, or agree with every single change made, would that personally offend you? Would that disqualify my concern of planned obsolescence or somehow make it less of an argument if I held both positions? I don't get it. Has nothing to do with the subject.
 
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Of course it is, most peoples families are not going to switch to WhatsApp or some other garbage when messages is right there: give me blue bubbles or give me death. It is one of the most core 'competitive advantage', signature features of iPhone. In fact, changes to Messages app like backgrounds and more emojis and undoing iMessages and stuff like that is often touted as one of the main reasons people should upgrade to a newer version.
Now - whether or not people care about backgrounds, emojis, and undoing messages is another matter. It shouldn't be, you TAKE THESE extra emojis or you don't get to communicate at all.

It's about not forcing people into an update they don't want, because they've been burned too many times with tanked performance and battery life on previous updates that proved to not be worth the squeeze. There is precedent for that anecdotally/individually. And that is more important than some background image.

And why are you taken back by how people perceive iOS 26 too, did you personally make it? That's a weird hang up.
If I didn't like it, or agree with every single change made, would that personally offend you? Would that disqualify my concern of planned obsolescence or somehow make it less of an argument if I held both positions? I don't get it. Has nothing to do with the subject.
Maybe in the US. I do not know a single person who has to use iMessage and nothing else. Nobody in my family cares, none of my friends care. In fact, we all are on multiple platforms, and we use what we see fit.

"And why are you taken back by how people perceive iOS 26 too, did you personally make it?"
Read my signature, look at the phone listed. Hint, that's my main phone. Hint, it's not an iPhone.

And this definitely has to do something with the subject, as I completely fail to see any other motivation behind this 8 page rant. You say it's not about how you see iOS 26, then you turn around and complain about 26.

You still haven't answered my question.
Has Apple decided to not release iOS 12.5.8 for the 6S and 7 to strong arm iOS 15?
What about iOS 15.8.6 for the iPhone 8 and X? 16.7.14 for the XS?

You see, by demanding iOS 18.7.4 for your 26 capable device, you're indirectly demanding those older versions for any of the aforementioned devices. Because then, anyone else like you could come here, and say the same about their device. This'd effectively create a path for official downgrading, and Apple might as well scrap their whole signing system at that point (not that I personally agree with said system, but I'm not gonna delve into that).
There are people using devices that can't run 26, but which aren't even running their latest supported versions (I already talked about my friend who has an XS Max still running iOS 14 as his main phone).

Like I said, you claim it's not about your opinion on iOS 26, but that's the sole point propping up your entire argument, from my point of view.
 
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You still haven't answered my question.
Has Apple decided to not release iOS 12.5.8 for the 6S and 7 to strong arm iOS 15?
What about iOS 15.8.6 for the iPhone 8 and X? 16.7.14 for the XS?

You see, by demanding iOS 18.7.4 for your 26 capable device, you're indirectly demanding those older versions for any of the aforementioned devices. Because then, anyone else like you could come here, and say the same about their device. This'd effectively create a path for official downgrading, and Apple might as well scrap their whole signing system at that point (not that I personally agree with said system, but I'm not gonna delve into that).
There are people using devices that can't run 26, but which aren't even running their latest supported versions (I already talked about my friend who has an XS Max still running iOS 14 as his main phone).
This sideshow is genuinely an irrelevant 'whataboutism' but I'll try to indulge however whacky it ends up.

6s/7: iOS 12 is a version from 2018, iOS 15 is 2021.
8/X: iOS 15 2021 vs iOS 16 is 2022.
XS: iOS 16 2022 vs 18 2024.


The argument could be made they are strong arming iOS 15, 16, and 18 by not offering it. But in full transparency: anyone could argue anything. I could argue I am reincarnate of Steve Jobs because I feel like it today.

But no, I would not personally make that argument for the reason that the install base for IOS 12, 15, and 16 on those devices is probably relatively low and the amount of people using 6s/7/8/X/XS relative to newer ones is probably even lower. And though 15, 16, and 18 on those respective devices would be higher and newer than 12,15, and 16 it's still has to be peanuts (seems like roughly 2% for each 15 and 16, and I suspect in reality probably even lower) There is little incentive to care in either direction, so naturally they'll support the last supported version and call it a day. Edge cases be damned.

And again, I genuinely applaud them 'supporting' devices as old as those. Period. 6s is over 10 years old, and nearly every device is considered 'vintage' where they don't offer hardware parts or replacements if you have issues.

If you believe Gemini AI (take with a grain of salt, just being lazy here):

As of early 2026, iPhone 6s through XS models represent a small, rapidly diminishing segment of the active iOS user base, likely comprising
less than 5–8% combined.



..I can't imagine Apple cares what anyone is doing who is using any of those devices.
They just want to make sure core Apple services work for people who are holding onto them for dear life, most likely elderly and people poverty stricken and/or living under a tech rock and/or trying to break Guiness World records, with all due respect.

If anything, why do those people (yes you, granny) still get core Apple functionality on your 6s but an iPhone 16 user who shelled out almost a grand just a bit over a year ago is being stonewalled into moving up just because they're happy with what they got? Reward people holding onto 10 year old hardware whose hardware doesn't even have a repair path, but not people who have some reticence over a single major iOS upgrade, you got no choice but to update to the polarizing spotty QC update?

What sort of logic/reward system is that, if we must compare the scenarios?
It's now even more upsetting the more I think about it and talk it through.

Even the 'newest' cited device you have there is from 2018, over 7 years ago. So no, I would not make that argument they are strong arming anything there.

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As for what's in bold, no I'm not indirectly making that claim at all lol what the heck is that?
Your imagination has run wild.

..All this comparing to vintage devices for an iPhone 16 (2024) on a software from last month (18.7.3) that will have some basic functionality stripped 12 months from now is concerning to me, yes, and not at all equivalent to what's going on for 6s-Xs. Apple didn't do this because then sub 1% of the population holding onto their iPhone 6s would then demand from Cupertino the 'latest' iOS 12 or refuse to buy another phone for the next decade. That is outright ridiculous equivalent and a straw man argument.

And if they were to offer 18.7.4 for 'iOS 26 capable' devices, no they still haven't opened up a path to downgrade.
All recent 18.7.x updates have been only available over OTA not IPSW manual restore, and only for people already on <iOS 26. If you are on IOS 26, there has not been a downgrade path since shortly after iOS 26 came out September 15, 2025. IIRC around a week you could manually downgrade before they closed the signing window to IPSW restore.

When iOS 26 has 50% install base on devices capable of moving up to it 4 months later, yes I could see them not being thrilled about that. To break it down, thats every other person taking a pass.

On the small portion of users with 'vintage' devices again I don't think it makes any difference what they do in any direction. just my 2 cents.
 
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Oh, I get it. Those users are irrelevant and shouldn’t be catered to, because they have even older devices than you do, and they’re a small user base which you’re not a part of. They should be stuck with their “battery draining performance killing OSes” if they want to talk to their family, only you all modern iPhone users should have the luxury of telling Apple how you want your fixes delivered. When it’s about you, it’s Apple strong arming iOS 26. When it’s about them, it’s suddenly just whataboutism. You sure love to namedrop logical fallacies a lot.

At the end of the day, I find this whole thread a bit funny. It’s not about devices being cut off prematurely (iPhone 6 and iOS 13), or about the inability to run other OSes on the hardware you paid for and therefore own. It’s about petty “muh iOS 26”. The oldest supported 26 devices aren’t unusable on it, even if the OS doesn’t look nearly as smooth and polished as it does on the new stuff. 90%+ of the people in need, who use the oldest stuff will stomach installing iOS 26 to stay in touch.

If you love iOS 18 so much, get an iPhone XS. My friend has a Silver 512GB XS Max, one of my coworkers has a Space Gray XS Max, I still see plenty of those vertical camera pills and polished stainless rails on the streets. That phone still looks stellar, and I’d say it’s still plenty capable.
Or, if you’re so worried about iM/FT, install iOS 26 and rest easy.

OR

Keep enjoying iOS 18 on whatever you have, and come back next year, when this actually becomes an issue. iOS 27 will be out by then, which is supposed to be a bug squashing release. Who knows, maybe by 2027, developers might start dropping support for a 2024 OS. Maybe reliving my experiences with my iPhone 4 from 2015 will make you upgrade sooner than any expired certificates.

I’m not sure if I’ll continue to engage in this rant, because everything I say (or anyone else for that matter) gets either misinterpreted, ignored, or labeled as a logical fallacy, as if that’s supposed to be the mic drop. After hours, you still haven’t convinced me it’s not fueled by your personal preference, and I doubt you want to be convinced otherwise. Enjoy iOS 18 while it still works.
 
Oh, I get it. Those users are irrelevant and shouldn’t be catered to, because they have even older devices than you do, and they’re a small user base which you’re not a part of. They should be stuck with their “battery draining performance killing OSes” if they want to talk to their family, only you all modern iPhone users should have the luxury of telling Apple how you want your fixes delivered. When it’s about you, it’s Apple strong arming iOS 26. When it’s about them, it’s suddenly just whataboutism. You sure love to namedrop logical fallacies a lot.
It seems like you're getting rather emotional about the side discussion, for what reason I don't understand, and I said upfront I'm not sure where this is going but I will try to indulge. I'm not even sure how to respond to the rest, so I won't. You penalize me for playing your games, so I don't want to.

I am just saying business is business. That's the way Apple sees it for 'vintage' devices. Are you going to cry now that if you have a broken 6s-xs that Apple will literally turn you down in the store and send you on your way with an 'SOL mesage'? I applaud them supporting older devices that are 10 years old. I don't applaud them screwing over people who aren't willing to be on the latest and greatest because you and Tim Cook said so.

Genuinely, what are we even talking about at this point?
You think Apple does no wrong relatively speaking, respectfully disagree.

You’re asking me to buy a 7 year old
Device to run iOS 18 when I have a 1 year old device that runs it way better because of apples artificial restrictions? (I don’t even have that I have a 17 pro on 26.2.1 but I do have an m4 iPad Pro on 18.7.3 staying put for a while iPadOS 26 is undesirable to me on my iPad mini7)

We'll see what the public thinks when people on 2024 devices still running iOS 18 that have iOS 26+ capable devices get the rug pulled from them next year unsuspectingly when trying to chat with friends and family because they dont follow MR or changelogs to a t. That'll be the true testament.
 
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It seems like you're getting rather emotional about the side discussion, for what reason I don't understand, and I said upfront I'm not sure where this is going but I will try to indulge. I'm not even sure how to respond to the rest, so I won't. You penalize me for playing your games, so I don't want to.

I am just saying business is business. That's the way Apple sees it for 'vintage' devices. Are you going to cry now that if you have a broken 6s-xs that Apple will literally turn you down in the store and send you on your way with an 'SOL mesage'? I applaud them supporting older devices that are 10 years old. I don't applaud them screwing over people who aren't willing to be on the latest and greatest because you and Tim Cook said so.

Genuinely, what are we even talking about at this point?
You think Apple does no wrong relatively speaking, respectfully disagree.

We'll see what the public thinks when people on 2024 devices still running iOS 18 that have iOS 26+ capable devices get the rug pulled from them next year unsuspectingly when trying to chat with friends and family because they dont follow MR or changelogs to a t. That'll be the true testament.
Yeah, I think Apple does no wrong. In fact, I'm such a fan, I'm texting you from an Android phone. That's why I've been piling onto macOS for the past 6 years, because it's just so great.

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You call me emotional, yet you felt so outraged by not getting iOS 18.7.4, you went and created this thread. There's plenty of stuff to criticize about Apple. I believe every computer should let me run the software I want, regardless of the form factor (even these pocketable touchscreen ones). But you choose to use Apple's software, and I consider what they're doing a fair game. They aren't favoring iOS 26 any more than any other iOS version in this case (that's why I asked you about iOS 15, 16, and 18. to tell me if that strong arming logic still makes sense there. not for you to rattle off some user base percentages from gemini).
 
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You’re asking me to buy a 7 year old
Device to run iOS 18 when I have a 1 year old device that runs it way better because of apples artificial restrictions? (I don’t even have that I have a 17 pro on 26.2.1 but I do have an m4 iPad Pro on 18.7.3 staying put for a while iPadOS 26 is undesirable to me on my iPad mini7)

We'll see what the public thinks when people on 2024 devices still running iOS 18 that have iOS 26+ capable devices get the rug pulled from them next year unsuspectingly when trying to chat with friends and family because they dont follow MR or changelogs to a t. That'll be the true testament.
We have an iPhone 14 and iPhone 15 on iOS 26. Both run iOS 26 very well. If there was any issue with iOS 26 on an iPhone 14, I would have heard about it.

That you have an m4 iPad on 18.7.3 is your own artificial restriction. The m4 iPad should run iPadOS 26 very well.

No harm in not upgrading but dont blame apple because they have been doing the same thing for years with respect to new operating systems. It’s a personal choice to go with the latest, or not.
 
Of course it is, most peoples families are not going to switch to WhatsApp or some other garbage when messages is right there: give me blue bubbles or give me death. It is one of the most core 'competitive advantage', signature features of iPhone.
Are blue bubbles still a thing in 2026?
 
We have an iPhone 14 and iPhone 15 on iOS 26. Both run iOS 26 very well. If there was any issue with iOS 26 on an iPhone 14, I would have heard about it.

That you have an m4 iPad on 18.7.3 is your own artificial restriction. The m4 iPad should run iPadOS 26 very well.

No harm in not upgrading but dont blame apple because they have been doing the same thing for years with respect to new operating systems. It’s a personal choice to go with the latest, or not.

Respectfully I seen you go to tremendous lengths in multiple threads convincing people they should like something they don’t and their eyes are deceiving them on bugs and jankiness.

That’s your prerogative but we’re gonna go our own paths here

The dude and others trying to convince me it’s great they’re shutting out FaceTime and iMessage certificates on a year old device lol

Like what is that

When iOS 27 tightens up all kinds of loose ends you all be oooo’ing and ahhh’ing how great the next release is "building upon the starting foundation of iOS 26 that wasn't quite there"

iOS 18 was the ultimate release then iOS 26 came along and swept you off your feet.

I’m good

It’s fine fwiw on my iPhone but I understand peoples reservations. And mail app is a disaster on iPadOS 26. And it just doesn’t really add anything great to the tablet in my experience. I would know my iPad mini has it on it.

Some people notice nothing some people notice everything. Some people have a good experience on one device others have a bad one on same device. It is a subjective matter and I can at least admit as much.

It’s good we got options notwithstanding the ones Apple are forcing us into. I’m not a fan and don’t care if that makes me the weirdo. Totally comfortable with that

Realistically probably will update to a more mature iOS 26 by the time it comes around or 27 by then but just don’t like not being given a choice


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Again the floodgates will be opened next year. I will be prophetic about this one given 50% adoption rate.
 
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Where does that number come from? Or is it a trust me bro?

it's quite telling you spend virtually no time doing research yourself, especially when it's that easy / lots of it can be found on this very site you post on, yet you're always 'convinced' of things.

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  • iOS 26, January 2026: 50%
  • iOS 18, January 2025: 72%
  • iOS 17, January 2024: 65%
So, no, iOS 26 adoption isn’t at just 15 percent, which only a dope would believe, but it’s not as high as previous iOS versions in previous years at this point on the calendar. Something, obviously, is going on.

It was never 15% as some sources claimed, and FWIW I never went with that.
Didn't even sound remotely correct.

However, a 22% drop year over year by now is significant, especially after a 7 percent uptick in the year prior. As Gruber said (who I must preface I find to be mostly a political 'dear diary' clownish hack these days, but do appreciate when he gets into the weeds of Apple stuff at times.. as that is his strong suit) best:
'something, obviously, is going on'.
 
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An article that says the survey says 78% and then goes on to say 50% is a good guesstimate without noting how they get to that number. It's not from Apple. It's not scientific. It's just a nonsense number.

Where is this Wikimedia post he is citing? Are the numbers also from SellCell, StatCounter, Apple, or some other source? Just because a blogger posted it, doesn't make it true.

Nevertheless, there is no conspiracy to force adoption of iOS 26 by forcing out older phones. As I have stated before, we will be on 27.2 before anything MIGHT happen, so whether you go to 26 now or not does not affect anything Apple is planning for the future. They don't get extra revenue from adoption. They don't get a stock bump if the number hits 80%. There is no incentive for this wild conspiracy.
 
There is no incentive for this wild conspiracy.
'Wild conspiracy.' First it's 'I personally made up the numbers'.
I cite the numbers, now it's 'well those can't be trusted.'

If they were high to your satisfaction, could those then be trusted? What sort of analysis is this?

Classic moving of the goal post. As I outlined many times before.

It’s not abnormal for there to be features and foundations that require an update
Yes, it is. The only precedent is iOS 6 to 7. Being nebulous with your descriptions doesn't successfully obfuscate that.

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This is incredibly fatiguing.
I will let you all continue to discuss amongst yourselves how this is so great for the consumer.
 

it's quite telling you spend virtually no time doing research yourself, especially when it's that easy / lots of it can be found on this very site you post on, yet you're always 'convinced' of things.

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It was never 15% as some sources claimed, and FWIW I never went with that.
Didn't even sound remotely correct.

However, a 22% drop year over year by now is significant, especially after a 7 percent uptick in the year prior. As Gruber said (who I must preface I find to be mostly a political 'dear diary' clownish hack these days, but do appreciate when he gets into the weeds of Apple stuff at times.. as that is his strong suit) best:
'something, obviously, is going on'.
I have no problem doing research, I just know that there are no officially viable numbers available anywhere. A sample size of 2,000 people is nothing compared to the install base of iOS. I think the only numbers we can take at face value are those that are presented by Apple, which they haven't done for this cycle yet.
 
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