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Tell me how you turned Apple providing updates to devices that are over 10+ years old into some conspiracy that Apple is trying to force people to upgrade their software.

Apple did not anticipate that iPhone 5s and 6 models from 2014/2025 would still be out in the wild in large numbers enough to support them beyond the original support window, hence needing to update the certificates to allow those customers to continue using Apple services such as iMessage and FaceTime.
Like there’s a conspiracy that Big Liquid Glass won’t make money unless we all upgrade. People are SO paranoid about what amounts to a questionable or sluggish UI for a group of very vocal people who are so loud that now my own mother’s confused about if she should update her phone or not. It’s madness.
 
Like there’s a conspiracy that Big Liquid Glass won’t make money unless we all upgrade. People are SO paranoid about what amounts to a questionable or sluggish UI for a group of very vocal people who are so loud that now my own mother’s confused about if she should update her phone or not. It’s madness.
When she updates, let us know how that goes for her. Accessibility went out the window with Tahoe. For no reason.
 
This is a non issue.

If you don’t like what a company is doing with their product, find another company that produces a product you like.

If enough people leave said company, they will look at changing things. If a few fringe users leave, the company won’t care.

You have choices.
 
I think it is good that Apple still allows people to communicate on devices as old as 2013. I believe iMessage still works even on older devices. All the other major VoIP and social services (WhatsApp, Viber, Messenger, Telegram) have long dropped their support for anything older than 5s, Telegram already gives "outdated version" warning on iPhone 6 so it is only matter of time it stops working. Isn't it cool that if all you can get is an old iPhone and you still can make a video call or send iMessage?

As for the iOS26, it has been pretty bad. I hope 27 will be better and faster. I mean, 26 is slow even on flagship 17 PM🤦‍♂️
 
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This is a non issue.

If you don’t like what a company is doing with their product, find another company that produces a product you like.

If enough people leave said company, they will look at changing things. If a few fringe users leave, the company won’t care.

You have choices.
Horrific viewpoint. I like the product. I don’t like their software update policy.

So I adapted. I know I have a certain number of years of compatibility and when compatibility is not good enough anymore, I upgrade my devices.

Apple has NEVER imposed ANY limitations on a device that’s one or two major versions behind.

This would destroy very important functionality from a device that’s barely a year and a couple of months old.
 
I think it is good that Apple still allows people to communicate on devices as old as 2013. I believe iMessage still works even on older devices. All the other major VoIP and social services (WhatsApp, Viber, Messenger, Telegram) have long dropped their support for anything older than 5s, Telegram already gives "outdated version" warning on iPhone 6 so it is only matter of time it stops working. Isn't it cool that if all you can get is an old iPhone and you still can make a video call or send iMessage?

As for the iOS26, it has been pretty bad. I hope 27 will be better and faster. I mean, 26 is slow even on flagship 17 PM🤦‍♂️
Telegram works everywhere I think. Outdated version or not. Or it did at some point recently.
 
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The overall design language of iOS 26 is quite good. In fact it is already starting to spread and be adopted by others. It needs to evolve a bit, and it will. Some of legibility issues still need to be addressed.
 
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Because the release notes doesn't explicitly specify that this new cert requirement would only for specific legacy devices, one can only conclude this requirement must only be for specific legacy devices by omission alone and wishful thinking?

An iPhone 16 on 18.7.3 will not come across issues with Apple Services, come January 2027 but an iPhone XR on 18.7.3 would (even though they are capable of updating to 18.7.4+). Is that actually your logic based guess you're going with? This will be a fun thread to re-visit in 12 months.

...And you're saying I'm reaching?
Honestly, is there any point in even arguing if this is the way the conversation is going to go?

Of course they do. Adoption rates have always mattered to them. Do you think it would be easy or more difficult for Apple to manage having two diverging install bases, especially when the UI elements and underlying APIs are so different? What is the point of R&D and paying engineers and having corporate structure for a software department if 'they don't care'? Aren't lots of people drawn to iPhone and the likes because of iOS specifically? Isn't every major new major iOS release specifically timed to launch alongside new hardware? Is stock not related to public perception, and is it a good or bad perception people don't like or trust Apple's new releases more and more?

They famously made it a talking point during many keynotes even, and continuously year-over-year publish the figures themselves:

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15- https://9to5mac.com/2022/01/13/apple-ios-15-adoption-vs-ios-14/
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17- https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/11/ios-17-adoption-rate/
18- https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/



So someone who paid $1099+ for their iPhone 16 Pro end of 2024 should've had the foresight to know they wouldn't like the then not announced or known IOS 26 changes and ensuing QC sloppiness, and that they would be forced by hand to update while still under same carrier contract even (hypothetically on a 30 month term)? What if, hypothetically, the battery life tanks all of a sudden after the update, will they feel that they are being forced into a new device they otherwise weren't at all considering buying?
No, someone who bought an iPhone 16 Pro at the end of 2024 should probably just update to the latest OS.
 
As for the iOS18 part of this, it is not abnormal for a company to have to move on in terms of support at some point so it can introduce new features and functions. If you choose to stay on iOS18, you will not be able to use certain services at some point.

I also have been running iOS 26 since the summer and while I see what people are complaining about, the longer people choose to avoid upgrading the less data Apple has to resolve issues and iron out things that people are hesitant to upgrade for.

I recently met with my family and most of them are holding out on upgrading because "TikTok" and not because of any logical reasoning or proven point.
The amount of data that would be additionally available if the people that hold out upgraded is not an argument. This is THE biggest iOS release since iOS 14 with Dark Mode, people have partially been using and testing out this version far more extensively than any other release, ever.
Apple already has the data, they just don’t act on it, that’s a big difference.
It doesn’t matter if they can’t at the moment fix the issues or if they chose to wait for a later release, but they do have all the data they could possibly need. If 1 in 15 people actively hold out on updating, that’s a far more interesting data point by itself, but they don’t lose any significant amount of data regarding iOS 26 if those people stay a version behind.
Oh and, influencers gonna influence, that’s just how it is. Doesn’t mean they aren’t right in criticizing iOS 26.
 
The overall design language of iOS 26 is quite good. In fact it is already starting to spread and be adopted by others. It needs to evolve a bit, and it will. Some of legibility issues still need to be addressed.
Medium gray text on a light gray background was serially copied by "designers" a few years ago. Just because it was copied does not mean it was GOOD.
 
I think it is good that Apple still allows people to communicate on devices as old as 2013. I believe iMessage still works even on older devices. All the other major VoIP and social services (WhatsApp, Viber, Messenger, Telegram) have long dropped their support for anything older than 5s, Telegram already gives "outdated version" warning on iPhone 6 so it is only matter of time it stops working. Isn't it cool that if all you can get is an old iPhone and you still can make a video call or send iMessage?

As for the iOS26, it has been pretty bad. I hope 27 will be better and faster. I mean, 26 is slow even on flagship 17 PM🤦‍♂️
My iPhone 15PM performance is more than acceptable. And I disagree iOS 26 is not slow in a 17pm. I’ve seen it in action in person.
 
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Sure, we're on the same page, but you had originally written something else (that I quoted), which had a different meaning. I guess I didn't see your edit by the time I replied.
ah, ok, that's what i suspected... thanks for the clarification... must have been a glitch in the site or non-refresh issue as your post is timestamped 34 minutes after my edit.

there's always been a difference in mindset when it comes to devices running software, one saying consumers own the device and the software after purchase, the other saying consumers only own the device after purchase and rent the software... gonna be a fun future... requisite tradeoffs like privacy vs convenience, convenience vs security, personal data ownership and control vs unknown and tos data harvesting, simple vs complex, and on and on, etc will only continue to increase imo...
 
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Like there’s a conspiracy that Big Liquid Glass won’t make money unless we all upgrade. People are SO paranoid about what amounts to a questionable or sluggish UI for a group of very vocal people who are so loud that now my own mother’s confused about if she should update her phone or not. It’s madness.
I wish that I would have never upgraded.

User experience seems to be dumbed down and at the same time overly complicated.

Apple abandoned its slick, smooth streamlined UI and replaced it with some sort of cartoonish mess.

Keep your mom on 18.x unless you enjoy providing her tech support 24/7.
 
I wish that I would have never upgraded.

User experience seems to be dumbed down and at the same time overly complicated.

Apple abandoned its slick, smooth streamlined UI and replaced it with some sort of cartoonish mess.

Keep your mom on 18.x unless you enjoy providing her tech support 24/7.
So nice to see someone who GETS IT! I think cartoonish is the best description of tahoe. (lack of capital on purpose.) It disrespects us all.
 
You should always expect generational latency on new iOS updates. Apple will always utilize some of the new HP in each generation for UI related stuff.
 
Tell me how you turned Apple providing updates to devices that are over 10+ years old into some conspiracy that Apple is trying to force people to upgrade their software.
although your comment wasn't addressed to me, i would say... apple is strong-arming people into updating by bricking certain services on devices less than 2½ years old if not updated to the latest iOS... (if the theory as I understand it proves to be accurate)
If you choose to stay on iOS18, you will not be able to use certain services at some point.
at some point turns out to be (again, if the theory as I understand it proves to be accurate) less than 2½ years after it was released...
 
No, I have a 16 Plus on iOS 18.3.1. (Bought March 2025). If Apple forces me out, I’m done.
lol, where are you going to go?
As encryption continues being pushed by both Apple and Google, it’s going to be become increasingly harder to run older software reliably.
This isn’t an apple thing, it’s an industry thing.

Telegram works everywhere I think. Outdated version or not. Or it did at some point recently.
Nope, this was literally just announced six weeks ago.
This new version of telegram requires iOS 13.0 or later, meaning that eventually it won’t even run on the iPhone 5S or 6 that iMessage and FaceTime can still run on after this latest update.
Eventually, Google Messages encryption with android will have the same requirements, needing a specific version of android or newer.
 
Yeah, this seems like a good thing, and I still don’t get how people think os updates are a conspiracy.
Does tapping the "Update Now" button cause that much fuss to you guys?
No, someone who bought an iPhone 16 Pro at the end of 2024 should probably just update to the latest OS.
...would be nice to have the choice though, yes? - at least for a reasonable period of time, say 5 years?, before apps or services don't function.
 
although your comment wasn't addressed to me, i would say... apple is strong-arming people into updating by bricking certain services on devices less than 2½ years old if not updated to the latest iOS... (if the theory as I understand it proves to be accurate)

at some point turns out to be (again, if the theory as I understand it proves to be accurate) less than 2½ years after it was released...
Who's device has been bricked though? That's what a lot of people don't understand about this thread. Everyone is complaining about something that isn't even an issue, and very likely won't be a year from now. I think it's way more likely that this update is being misunderstood by the masses. Why would they update iMessages to work for something running iOS 12, but shoot the kneecaps off a newer iPhone a couple of years after it releases?
 
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