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That tells us Apple have always been good eggs, and that they're not jumping on the bandwagon.

Also it's very interesting you say they're editing history. Others have addressed the "editing" part of your argument for quite some time, and yet…

Good eggs about a bad SJW virtue signaling stance. Sure that is true: Consistency in their regretability.

But they may be jumping on the bandwagon at this point too I wouldn't discredit that observation either, by soliciting donations to 2 shady organizations and being willing to match what they contribute. Effectively asking for money.

Your second statement is so vague im not sure what to say or do except pretend like it didn't happen?
 
If you believe that, then the actual purveyors of propaganda regarding "fake news, fake news!" have got their hooks into your brain pretty deeply.

I believe it, because it's true, not because whoever you don't like have their "hooks in my brain". Media is framed and shaped to present "facts" a certain way. That's just the nature of bias. Anyone who has ever studied media or communications knows this. 90% of all reporters come from PR backgrounds. And I won't even begin to get into Operation Mockingbird. If you actually believe MSM is not biased, I feel sorry for you.

See how that works? Of course it takes a lot of time to fact check stuff happens on the other side of town. Eventually most of us have come to trust mainstream media outlets to report the facts of a situation and let us come to our own conclusions about whether those facts support our opinions or suggest we have another look at how we view the world. After all, mainstream media are fact-checked and fact-checked again and have proven themselves willing to entertain suggestions from the public that this or that article contains errors of fact or omission.

Lol...wow, unbelievable. I bet you still believe Iraq has WMDs.
 
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Google is actively censoring and blackballing people for conservative views. They've adopted a platform of corporate McCarthyism.

So far Apple has only made that mistake with regard to Cook's statement and a corporate donation.

Ethically Google is in a pickle, but Cook still can fix his error.

Look, we're both here because we like Apple products, but if you think there is a lick of difference between Apple and Google politically, you are fooling yourself. Cook is getting more vocal and more radical as time goes on. The only reason Google is worse is because they have more power to abuse (youtube, search, etc). Apple is no stranger to censoring apps with politics they disagree with.
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You got that right! SPLC is far from a reputable organization. Apple needs to start staying out of politics. Do you happen to know if Microsoft does this type of stuff? Windows 10 is a good OS, there are many great Android Tablets now, and I have always been a Android phone user. So as long as MS is not doing the same, I have no problem switching loyalty. I can even save a lot of money in the process :).

Eh...at least Microsoft has not been so blatantly orwellian as Google recently, but they are not good guys either. Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, all of these companies are evil. They all lobby hard for looser regulations so that they can abuse H1B visas and put American IT on the curb. They all have an extreme liberal agenda, and actively push it both in corporate policy and donations. They are all working to control the news in one way or another. They all pick and choose which customers/employees/providers they want to get rid of for having a different opinion.

If you want to support a conservative tech company, you're out of luck. It's a very sick industry. Buy a feature phone and get a computer with Linux on it, or just accept that some of your money is going to be going to places like SPLC. Talk to your representatives. Call them nonstop and ask them to introduce legislation to break up these monopolies/duopolies.
 
You guys would think Toys'R'Us was a left wing terrorist organization if Fox News told you it.

No, I don't watch American 'news'. I've come across the name before a few times and each time it wasn't good, hence why I asked if I was right in saying aren't they a hate filled group?

From doing a bit more research it seems I was right.
 
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As a conservative Apple supporter...I threw up a little bit in my mouth when I saw this. Why not just give AntiFa and BLM billion dollar donations and then brag about it? This is definitely a chink (I know some PC liberal will get triggered by this word but look it up...) in Apple's armor. All these companies that are anti-(fill in the blank) make me NOT want to buy their stuff anymore. Virtue signaling of the worst kind.....

I think conservative Brits are different from conservative Americans (we don't like guns for example). I'm a conservative Brit too and entirely agree with you, this is pure virtue signalling from Apple.
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Sadly, It appears that all large corporations are getting involved and it's not good. Sure in this instance it might be okay, but there will be a day when the message might be yours.

At first they came for my.......

Thing is, it isn't ok in this instance. They should focus on user privacy and not this identity politics insanity that is sweeping America.
 
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Good eggs about a bad SJW virtue signaling stance. Sure that is true: Consistency in their regretability.

But they may be jumping on the bandwagon at this point too I wouldn't discredit that observation either, by soliciting donations to 2 shady organizations and being willing to match what they contribute. Effectively asking for money.

Your second statement is so vague im not sure what to say or do except pretend like it didn't happen?
Ok, let's be clear and blunt then: nobody is editing history. Anyone with half a brain understands that. It is not a difficult concept to grasp.
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As a conservative Apple supporter...I threw up a little bit in my mouth when I saw this. Why not just give AntiFa and BLM billion dollar donations and then brag about it? This is definitely a chink (I know some PC liberal will get triggered by this word but look it up...) in Apple's armor. All these companies that are anti-(fill in the blank) make me NOT want to buy their stuff anymore. Virtue signaling of the worst kind.....
What is virtue signaling? It sounds to me like someone being triggered due to a company/person is doing something they don't like. Have you maybe considered that most people support the SPLC? It must suck to be into a company and their products yet not like what they stand for.


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It's kinda funny how many tough guy right wingers have been triggered by this. And yet they call left wing people snowflakes? What was that famous quote, "accuse your enemy of what you do" and who originally said it?
 
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I know you do not watch RT.

How do I know you do not watch RT? You are telling us that Russia funds RT. Everyone who watches RT knows this. RT tells us that all week long. I would like to personally thank Vladimir Putin for funding RT so I can find out what is really going on in my own country (USA) and around the world since the TV news here is completely fake and has been since the late 1980's.

You are walking up to a professional landscape worker wiping the sweat off his forehead from under his headband on a sunny, 90 degree day telling him "Landscaping is a hot sweaty job!" He knows that already, just as everyone who watches RT knows the funding comes from Russia.

What do you base this claim - that 55% of Americans ages 18 - 65 are unemployed - from your signature on?

55% of Americans ages 18 - 65 are unemployed - worse than during the Great Depression - and no one wants to talk about it. Google: Those Who've Given Up On Work, USA
 
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Ok, let's be clear and blunt then: nobody is editing history. Anyone with half a brain understands that. It is not a difficult concept to grasp.

Cool it with letting your emotions consume you,

It's disgusting quite frankly. I have Less than half a brain now because of my views which aren't unique on a rather polarizing issue?

Emotions (and identity politics) arent a substitute for real debate no matter how much you wish they are or wish to wear them on your sleeve.

It's just illustrating your inability to craft an argument and articulate your thoughts.

People don't care about Or care for your feels. I know I certainly don't.
 
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Cool it with letting your emotions consume you,

It's disgusting quite frankly. I have Less than half a brain now because of my views which aren't unique on a rather polarizing issue?

Emotions (and identity politics) arent a substitute for real debate no matter how much you wish they are or wish to wear them on your sleeve.

It's just illustrating your inability to craft an argument and articulate your thoughts.

People don't care about Or care for your feels. I know I certainly don't.
You wanted it clarifying, maybe I should have put a trigger warning in place. But ney lad… nobody likes nazis, and nobody is editing history. It's genuinely bizarre to say such a thing. Seriously.

From my own research into SPLC I couldn't find any controversial, or as some here said, hate speech or qualifiers that deem them terrorists. Perhaps right wing people just don't like them? It's possible to not like someone but they're okay - ie I'm a floating voter and currently voting for left leaning parties, but even so people like Jeb and George Bush are a-okay in my books.
 
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I believe it, because it's true, not because whoever you don't like have their "hooks in my brain". Media is framed and shaped to present "facts" a certain way. That's just the nature of bias. Anyone who has ever studied media or communications knows this. 90% of all reporters come from PR backgrounds. And I won't even begin to get into Operation Mockingbird. If you actually believe MSM is not biased, I feel sorry for you.

Don't feel sorry for me. I read an assortment of mainstream media, different enough in their approaches that I feel more assured by all of them that the sun rose in the east this morning than I would be if I allowed any of my friends on right or left to pitch me ideas they got off facebook or Twitter about how the planets and stars interact...

Lol...wow, unbelievable. I bet you still believe Iraq has WMDs.

Hmm... no sale. I could be persuaded that a good deal of Iraq still belongs to Iran. :D

Keep those posts coming. 10c a pop to the SPLC and ADL each. Win-win.
 
http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbed-after-haircut-gets-him-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi/
https://www.rt.com/usa/400399-colorado-mistaken-neo-nazi-attack/

Witt says he’d just pulled in to the parking lot of the Steak ’n Shake in Sheridan, Colo., and was opening his car door.

“All I hear is, ‘Are you one of them neo-Nazis?’ as this dude is swinging a knife up over my car door at me,” he said.

“I threw my hands up and once the knife kind of hit, I dived back into my car and shut the door and watched him run off west, behind my car.

“The dude was actually aiming for my head,” he added.

The suspect, described by Witt as a “black male, mid 20s, slim build, about 5'10" I'm guessing, 160-ish pounds wearing a green shirt and blue jeans,” remains at large.

The man who claimed to have been stabbed lied. He actually stabbed himself and now admitted he lied about the incident.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhiprakash/this-man-says-he-was-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi-and-stabbed
 
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As an alternate perspective, I don't care for Apple - AS A COMPANY - getting involved in promoting anything other than Apple. The same is true for every other company.

Tim Cook, however, has the right and responsibility to promote whatever perspectives he chooses.

The problem comes when Tim Cook purports to speak for all of Apple. That includes employees and stockholders, and on the surface implies customers.

Again, just my perspective, but it explains the issue without requiring anyone to be in favor of bigotry.
Very true, friend. That's a good point.
 
Google: Those Who've Given Up On Work, USA

I did. None of the first few results that came up support this assertion:

55% of Americans ages 18 - 65 are unemployed - worse than during the Great Depression - and no one wants to talk about it.

I'm very familiar with the employment data - how it works, what it does and doesn't measure, what realities are hidden beneath the headline numbers. I'm also familiar with the effects on those numbers of some people no longer looking for work. It's something I was explaining (would happen) to friends before those effects started showing up in BLS data after the last recession and before many on the internet started talking about it.

That said, what you claim is incorrect - even taking into account those who aren't looking for work, including those who aren't looking for work because they don't want work (e.g. because they are full-time students, or already retired, or a spouse of someone who is working and they don't need to work themselves). I was asking what you base that claim on - e.g., a link to data or even someone else's characterization of data. That way I can, perhaps, figure out either (1) what is the cause of their mistaken understanding or (2) why you are misunderstanding what they are claiming.

The real number is around 30%. That isn't all that high in historic terms, it certainly isn't greater than what it would have been during the Great Depression. And that is, to be clear, counting everyone that isn't employed at all as unemployed - whether they want (paid) work or not, and whether they are looking for (paid) work or not. That includes housewives and househusbands, students, retirees, etcetera.
 
The real number is around 30%.


I read what is in my signature in the print edition of the New York Times I believe in 2011. I can't bring it up in the search at their site. Both the 55% and "great depression" were in the article, probably the same paragraph.

What is your source for 30%? The links that come up in a Google search start higher than that and go up into 40%+.

The reason for my sig is the striking number of Americans who are entirely unaware and truly believe that there are only a fraction of that number who are unemployed.

It's easier to find out that the Pentagon created the Islamic State to help overthrow governments in the mid-east unfriendly to Israel's dreams of expansion than it is to find out what the true number of unemployed in the USA is. You can even find generals testifying in congress on youtube to this. Try finding video of a congressional hearing talking about the true number of unemployed in the USA, not just recently either, I'll take videos three decades old. You won't find any.

I don't think there is a more unwelcome subject for discussion than the true unemployment in the USA.
 
I read what is in my signature in the print edition of the New York Times I believe in 2011. I can't bring it up in the search at their site. Both the 55% and "great depression" were in the article, probably the same paragraph.

What is your source for 30%? The links that come up in a Google search start higher than that and go up into 40%+.

The reason for my sig is the striking number of Americans who are entirely unaware and truly believe that there are only a fraction of that number who are unemployed.

It's easier to find out that the Pentagon created the Islamic State to help overthrow governments in the mid-east unfriendly to Israel's dreams of expansion than it is to find out what the true number of unemployed in the USA is. You can even find generals testifying in congress on youtube to this. Try finding video of a congressional hearing talking about the true number of unemployed in the USA, not just recently either, I'll take videos three decades old. You won't find any.

I don't think there is a more unwelcome subject for discussion than the true unemployment in the USA.

Fair enough. If that's what was reported by the New York Times, it was incorrect.

As for the 30%, that comes from BLS employment data. It's not a measure that the BLS reports, but you can calculate it from some of the BLS' more detailed data. I keep spreadsheets with a lot of that more detailed data, over time, so that I can fairly easily calculate different measures, make comparisons, look at trends, etcetera. The 40% you're referring to is probably for all unemployed (among the civilian noninstitutional population) from 16 up as a portion of all people (among the civilian nonistitutional population) 16 and up. That's about where that measure is right now - down a couple percent from 5 or so years ago, up a few percent from where it was 20 years ago, and down a few percent from where it was throughout most of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. That's including people over 65. The 30% I referred to is responsive to what you referred to - Americans from 18-65.

The reason that measure of unemployment (i.e. counting all those not working, regardless of whether they want work or are looking for work) isn't mentioned as often is because it isn't as useful when it comes to assessing cyclical economic conditions. It doesn't tell us as much about how well the economy is functioning when it comes to creating jobs. It doesn't tell us much about how difficult or easy it is for people, in general, to find work. And that's a big part of the point in tracking unemployment.

That kind of measure is, of course, affected by cyclical economic issues - by, e.g., recessions and economic booms. But it's also greatly affected by demographics and evolving lifestyle choices. A huge number of people have always been unemployed, most of them because they don't need or want (paid) work. They are married and taking care of children or retired or whatever. So looking at that rate over time you'd be comparing 44% at one time to 40% at another. That doesn't tell you much about the availability of work for those who want it. The size of the portion of the population that doesn't want or need work drowns out the much smaller portion that wants work but can't find it.

So traditional methods of measuring unemployment only look at those who want and are looking for work. During ordinary economic cycles, such a method works pretty well as an indication of employment conditions. It allows you to compare 5% at one time to 10% at another, and understand that the difference is mostly due to changes in the availability of work - not, e.g., changing demographics. In some more extreme economic conditions, that measure doesn't reflect reality as well because, as we've alluded to, significant numbers of people give up on looking for work and thus aren't counted in the measure. For that reason and others, the BLS, e.g., reports broader measures of unemployment which take into account those people. The headline unemployment number reflects the traditional way of measuring unemployment. But a number of other unemployment (and underemployment) numbers get reported by the BLS along side it. They're available, along with extensive underlying detail which results in them, to all who are interested.

I would note though that, at this point, the number of so-called discouraged workers (i.e. those who want work and are available for work but who didn't look for work - with a quite liberal consideration of what constitutes looking for work - during the previous 4 weeks for job market related reasons) is back down around normal levels. Including them only raises the unemployment rate by about a half a percent. Even counting all so-called marginally attached to the labor force persons (i.e. those similar to discouraged workers but also including people who didn't looked for work in the previous 4 weeks for more personal reasons, e.g. illness, family responsibilities, transportation issues) only raises the unemployment rate about 1%.

One last note: The kind of number you're looking for... 40% or whatever... counting everyone that isn't working regardless of the reason... may not be mentioned all that often by various sources or in various discussions around the internet. But even that very broad measure gets, in effect, reported by the BLS every month. The BLS actually reports the inverse - the portion of people employed. But from that it's apparent what the portion of people not employed is. It's actually one of the things that the BLS typically highlights at the beginning of its monthly Employment Reports.
 
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It's actually one of the things that the BLS typically highlights at the beginning of its monthly Employment Reports.



If a tree in the forest falls and no one sees or hears it fall, did the tree really fall?

The power of Fake News
 
Southern Poverty Law Center Transfers Millions in Cash to Offshore Entities
http://freebeacon.com/issues/southe...nsfers-millions-in-cash-to-offshore-entities/

The absolute BS of this "charity" is laid bare to all. Also see SPLC Says Army Bases Are Confederate Monuments That Need To Come Down http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/31/s...confederate-monuments-that-need-to-come-down/

Summary:
  • SPLC pays 6-figure salaries ($300,000+) to its leadership. How charitable.
  • SPLC listed spending $61,000 TOTAL on legal services in 2015. That mission statement.
  • SPLC has $328 million in assets (not exactly an organization in need) and the SPLC shuffled millions overseas for unknown reasons. "I've never known a US-based nonprofit dealing in human rights or social services to have any foreign bank accounts" is a quote from the article.
  • SPLC's primary mission is to promote far-left ideology. It does this by classifying *any* ideological opposition as a hate group, including religious orgs or viewpoints that disagree.
  • SPLC posts a map of "hate groups" which includes "mainstream conservative organizations alongside racist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan". This paints *all* of their ideological opposition in an extreme light that puts them in danger by association. It also gives the media cover to parrot that a given group is a "hate group" and quote the SPLC (propaganda 101).
  • The SPLC's "hate map" conveniently ignores far left organizations that promote violence, such as Redneck Revolt.
  • SPLC's "hate map" inspired domestic terrorist Floyd Lee Corkins who admitted to using it as a target list.
  • SPLC's has another "hate map" of confederate monuments, including 3 US Army bases per the article above. Fort Hood, Fort Bragg, and Fort Benning are on its list of "hate monuments" where it writes "it's time to take the monuments down".
Good job lending Apple's brand to support a criminal extreme-left group that poses as a civil rights charity, Tim.


Edit: "Apple is additionally providing a $1 million donation to the Anti-Defamation League." The ADL employs similar tactics to the SPLC and shares a similar agenda. The ADL is the group that declared a cartoon frog "racist", despite the cartoon frog being used pervasively on the internet by everyone for years, with evidence that amounted to "a couple people drew it with nazi logos" which could happen with ANYTHING. Just like the SPLC, the ADL gives cover to extreme-left viewpoints and puts lives in danger through wrongful association on lists that they create (see what they did to Mike Cernovich).

Great company you are keeping there Tim. You've gone from supporting civil rights to supporting other forms of extremism and propaganda presented as charity.
 
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