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OK, I get it.

Some people have a specific need for a huge car for 7 passengers but with a 120hp engine because will drive at 80 km/h (50 mph) and live in an area with no hills... 😀

Problem is, who will want to buy your 'car' in the future, let's say three years from now, when you try to sell it? People in 2025 will prefer to buy a used 2021 14" MBP M1 for the same price, or even a brand new 2025 MBA M4 with the basic configuration (which maybe can be 16GB in 2025). Entry level devices with maxed specs don't have a good resale value.
You don't buy a Mac for resell value. You buy the Mac you need for whatever your workflow usage is. If you happen to sell the Mac down the road, whatever money you may get should be considered found money and not an essential part of the buying process. That is the trouble with so many members here. They buy more than they really need under the guise of getting more on resell. Paying more to get less later on is not logical but, that is the mentality many have.
 
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I would have ordered it if it had come in 15”. I just can’t see going below using a 16” screen.

Fully agree: anything smaller than a 15" screen is a no go for me. And she expressed the same. But that we jumped on this at the starting gun speaks to the dire nature of the need. The majority of the time, this baby will be connected to an external display. I suspect that will suffice. But again, if/when a 15" MBA comes out, we'll likely sell this one for a minimal loss (hard to call a year of enjoying a functional new MBA "a loss") and jump in on a 15". For sure.

Btw, congratulations on your new MBA.

Thanks! There is little I enjoy more than when a new Apple hardware launch day aligns with A) a need and (more importantly) B) the means to act. Feel fortunate that things aligned as they did.

Don't forget to post some pictures, please.

Deal. 😊
 
You don't buy a Mac for resell value. You buy the Mac you need for whatever your workflow usage is. If you happen to sell the Mac down the road, whatever money you may get should be considered found money and not an essential part of the buying process. That is the trouble with so many members here. They buy more than they really need under the guise of getting more on resell. Paying more to get less later on is not logical but, that is the mentality many have.

Agree here totally. Though there are undoubtedly many people here that upgrade basically every release cycle, because they are huge Apple fans in need of the latest-n-greatest or whatever. For those folks, resell value might be important and they may be inclined to over-do on the specs they invest in.

I personally don't upgrade Mac systems frequently and "buy what I need", with a little room for growth/headroom down the line. I expect to keep a Mac for years, and if I do happen to find a sucker to buy my old equipment -- as you noted, it's "found money" :)
 
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After the bad news about the M2 MBP SSD is there any word out there about the MBA's SSD speed?

Haven't seen any M2 MBA-specific test results out there yet. Admittedly I haven't searched too extensively either. The machines go live in stores next Friday so I figure we'll see some benchmarks by that time.
 
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I ordered the 8CPU/8GPU 16GB 1TB Starlight to replace my base model MBA M1 Gold. Arriving July 26-August 2.

I have a 16 inch MBP which I use as a portable desktop, and I use the MBA for watching Netflix, traveling, and some light work etc.

I got the base model M1 on a deal at Amazon for $850 with the intention of upgrading when the M2 came out.

However, even having too many Chrome tabs or apps open causes the memory pressure to be in the red, and the computer becomes really slow/freezes.

I constantly have to close tabs and apps, as well as freeing up disk space.

For me, upgrading to 16GB and 1TB was a must to avoid hassle of dealing with that regularly over next few years.

Excited to receive it!
 
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Then we must have very different definitions of "destroy"...

The Euro is at a 20-year low vs the USD. The Euro has lost 37% of its value against the dollar since 2009. To most traders and financial analysts, it fits the definition of "destroyed", especially in the FOREX community.

Even in the last year, the Euro is down nearly 20%.

Basically, yeah, different definitions. But destroyed means to end the existence of, generally by attacking. The Euro very much still exists, so I think I'm using the term more correctly when I say the dollar has not destroyed the Euro. You can pick a date and get a drop like 37%. Or you could pick a different date and the Euro is up against the dollar today from that other date (yeah you would have to pick an all time low like back in 2001). Down 20% in a year is a major drop. I've never even remotely done FOREX trading, so I can only guess what moves like this mean to them.

There is a major war going on in Europe. Does not surprise me that the Euro is down. It is probably temporary because the Euro is not destroyed.
 
but the Mac Studio I have for personal/everyday use has 64.
I have a base model Mac Studio. It's amazing! Love it. It's my first Apple Silicon Mac. But because I don't do too many sustained processing tasks—at least not daily—I'm picking up the Air to see if I will prefer it. If so, I'm gonna miss this little guy. He's the future of desktops.

What are you using yours for?
 
I ordered a customized M2 MBA with the Apple Education Discount but I want to cancel and reorder it with new specs. Since there is only 1 MacBook Air purchase per year with this discount, will I still be eligible since I am canceling and reordering? Need to know before I try to cancel and reorder. Thanks!
 
The purpose of a design without fans is to be silent. It isn't to have maximum performance.

Slowing down the CPU, GPU and all other parts of the machines is a better solution than to include a fan, turn it on and make noise. So if the M2 has to slowdown sometimes it means it is perfectly designed.

The Mac you ordered on the other hand includes at least one fan and is doomed from the start to be a failure.
You have no data to back that up while it’s common sense that even if we call the performance a wash a fan will be helpful in situations where your environment is at higher temps. Linus tech tips Performed a battery test on the M1 air versus the M1 pro and found that the M1 pro lasted 50% longer even with the pro‘s battery being only 16% larger. And surprise I’m interested in the Touch Bar. Fuqqq the m2 air
 
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What is the difference between the 8GPU 256GB 8GB upgraded to 10GPU 1TB 16GB and the 10GPU 512GB 8GB upgraded to the same configuration? Both cost $1899. The first one is available 8/1-8/8, the second one 8/16-8/23. Aren't they supposed to be the same?
 
It's only absurd in countries whose currency got destroyed by the dollar... so pretty much anywhere outside the US.

That config here is only $1,329 with the $150 discount via the education program.

Currency destroyed by the dollar? Both the British sterling and the Euro are stronger than the dollar at the moment I’m writing this: £1=$1.20, €1=$1.02.

Also don’t compare full price to discounted price, doesn’t make sense. We are talking about full retail price, without discount.
In the US, Apple sells the M2 air 16/512 at $1699 and the 14” at $1999, and that’s before taxes. In UK they cost £1759 and 1899 respectively, including taxes.

So, it’s not a matter of currency, and the dollar isn’t stronger. It’s Apple pricing which is structured this way, and that was what I initially found weird.
 
Currency destroyed by the dollar? Both the British sterling and the Euro are stronger than the dollar at the moment I’m writing this: £1=$1.20, €1=$1.02.

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You are absolutely clueless.

The Euro is down 37% against the dollar since 2009. It’s down nearly 20% in the last year alone.

Let me guess, you’ve never traded on FOREX before and have no clue what currency values look like when they crash.

Let me break it down to you in this way: if you got paid in dollars while living in Europe for 14 years, your salary in Euros increased by 58% without getting a raise.
 
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Basically, yeah, different definitions. But destroyed means to end the existence of, generally by attacking. The Euro very much still exists, so I think I'm using the term more correctly when I say the dollar has not destroyed the Euro. You can pick a date and get a drop like 37%. Or you could pick a different date and the Euro is up against the dollar today from that other date (yeah you would have to pick an all time low like back in 2001). Down 20% in a year is a major drop. I've never even remotely done FOREX trading, so I can only guess what moves like this mean to them.

There is a major war going on in Europe. Does not surprise me that the Euro is down. It is probably temporary because the Euro is not destroyed.

We just have to disagree on that.

In the world of finance, a 37% downturn in currency valuations vs the dollar is considered “destroyed”.

The euro is heading towards parity with the US dollar. It's a situation we haven't seen in two decades.

The dollar is the world's reserve currency. It tends to gain strength at times of international economic uncertainty as everyone and their grandma flocks to the dollar.

Everybody always badmouths the dollar, but at the end of the day, the dollar is really the only game in town.

And yes, a weak Euro definitely impacts Apple’s pricing strategies throughout Europe.
 
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You are absolutely clueless.

The Euro is down 37% against the dollar since 2009. It’s down nearly 20% in the last year alone.

Let me guess, you’ve never traded on FOREX before and have no clue what currency values look like when they get destroyed.

Let me break it down to you in this way: if you got paid in dollars while living in Europe for 14 years, your salary in Euros increased by 58% without getting a raise.
I responded to wrong thread. Thought you had called me clueless. But you were responding to someone else.
 
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We just have to disagree on that.

In the world of finance, a 37% downturn in currency valuations vs the dollar is considered “destroyed”.

The euro is heading towards parity with the US dollar. It's a situation we haven't seen in two decades.

The dollar is the world's reserve currency. It tends to gain strength at times of international economic uncertainty as everyone and their grandma flocks to the dollar.

Everybody always badmouths the dollar, but at the end of the day, the dollar is really the only game in town.

And yes, a weak Euro definitely impacts Apple’s pricing strategies throughout Europe.
Let's disagree. I'm looking at the historical value chart for the Euro and I can see four other similar drops in Euro value since 2008 that are about the same percentage drop in a year. I think the 2014 to 2015 drop is about the equal of this drop. So I wouldn't say the Euro was destroyed in those other four drops and I wouldn't use the term now. If FOREX traders use the term "destroyed", I guess that is fine. Seems overly dramatic to me. Not sure what word they would go to if the value dropped 50%. "Super-duper destroyed?" I've also traveled through Europe at different times, including when the Euro was worth less than the dollar (and when it was worth substantially more than a dollar). Some of that travel probably colors my emotional thinking on this because 1:1 just doesn't seem that unusual to me. But I remember when the Euro was formed and the value of it then was about the same value it has today.(Side note, I remember some shock and nashing of teeth when the Euro dropped below the dollar coming from Europe at that time. They seemed almost offended by that turn of events.)

Also, as you say, this seems predictable in a time of international economic uncertainty. And then, for the Euro, you double up that because there is a war going on in Europe right now. If the Ukraine war is resolved, the Euro should get a bump. So would getting through this coming recession (or we get past believing that there will be a recession).
 
Ordered a Silver 8 Core with 16GB RAM and 512GB to replace my 2019 i5 MBA arriving 22 Jul - 26 Jul.

At first I felt a little silly ordering it as my current MBA has absolutely no issues running, but I’m now starting to get excited for its arrival.

I have no doubt it’ll be more than perfect for daily office work and a bit of light gaming 🙃
 
Ordered a Silver 8 Core with 16GB RAM and 512GB to replace my 2019 i5 MBA arriving 22 Jul - 26 Jul.

I have no doubt it’ll be more than perfect for daily office work and a bit of light gaming 🙃

You want the 10GPU if you plan to do some gaming.
 
I ordered a customized M2 MBA with the Apple Education Discount but I want to cancel and reorder it with new specs. Since there is only 1 MacBook Air purchase per year with this discount, will I still be eligible since I am canceling and reordering? Need to know before I try to cancel and reorder. Thanks!
Yes
 
After the bad news about the M2 MBP SSD is there any word out there about the MBA's SSD speed?
The TL;DR is that it is not going to matter in the larger scheme of things.

All it is really accomplishing is to spam prospective buyers for weeks about how crappy their new laptop is going to be. It’s literally nothing more than concern trolling and fake cynicism for the sake of rage clickbait.
 
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