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As a software engineer I can assure you that you are 100% wrong.

Making use of large amounts of RAM often does not correlate with high utilization of CPU core(s).

Your needs and use patterns are your own and no one else’s.
OK, I get it.

Some people have a specific need for a huge car for 7 passengers but with a 120hp engine because will drive at 80 km/h (50 mph) and live in an area with no hills... 😀

Problem is, who will want to buy your 'car' in the future, let's say three years from now, when you try to sell it? People in 2025 will prefer to buy a used 2021 14" MBP M1 for the same price, or even a brand new 2025 MBA M4 with the basic configuration (which maybe can be 16GB in 2025). Entry level devices with maxed specs don't have a good resale value.
 
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OK, I get it.

Some people have a specific need for a huge car for 7 passengers but with a 120hp engine because will drive at 80 km/h (50 mph) and live in an area with no hills... 😀

Problem is, who will want to buy your 'car' in the future, let's say three years from now, when you try to sell it? People in 2025 will prefer to buy a used 2021 14" MBP M1 for the same price, or even a brand new 2025 MBA M4 with the basic configuration (which maybe can be 16GB in 2025). Entry level devices with maxed specs don't have a good resale value.

But it's not an entry level device when you up specs.....The M2 isn't an entry level performance device in the scope of laptop computing to begin with. Upping the RAM makes it a multitasking machine for many years to come. There's also plenty of 5 year old "entry level" Macs that still sell with half the performance of these machines. Many people won't want a new M4 when they can get a used M2 for $400. There's a high probability that these M2 Air's will also continue this design until probably the M5-M6. It's always best to get a new apple device the year the design language changes for best long term re-sale value.
 
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OK, I get it.

Some people have a specific need for a huge car for 7 passengers but with a 120hp engine because will drive at 80 km/h (50 mph) and live in an area with no hills... 😀

Problem is, who will want to buy your 'car' in the future, let's say three years from now, when you try to sell it? People in 2025 will prefer to buy a used 2021 14" MBP M1 for the same price, or even a brand new 2025 MBA M4 with the basic configuration (which maybe can be 16GB in 2025). Entry level devices with maxed specs don't have a good resale value.
I'm not particularly concerned about resale value. Apple offered me $460 for my 16 GB/1 TB M1 MacBook Air. That was pretty laughable but if that's all I can get so be it (I'm pretty sure I can almost double that on swappa).

We get it, you really like the 14" MacBook Pro. That's fine. Buy what works for you. I value weight and size over more performance that I almost never need. I've been using computers/Macs for decades. The amount of performance available today is nothing short of remarkable. I have a very good sense for what I need to be productive. More performance cores do almost nothing for me but RAM is very useful.
 
OK, I get it.

Some people have a specific need for a huge car for 7 passengers but with a 120hp engine because will drive at 80 km/h (50 mph) and live in an area with no hills... 😀

Problem is, who will want to buy your 'car' in the future, let's say three years from now, when you try to sell it? People in 2025 will prefer to buy a used 2021 14" MBP M1 for the same price, or even a brand new 2025 MBA M4 with the basic configuration (which maybe can be 16GB in 2025). Entry level devices with maxed specs don't have a good resale value.
Agree with @jdb8167. I don’t buy my cars or my computers based on their resale values, but even if I did, I don’t believe your claims regarding them without evidence. Again, your criteria are your own and you have no reason to believe (nor empirical evidence to show) that they’re widely valid enough to be considered common sense or even good general advice. You certainly don’t understand anything about my use pattern or likely anyone else’s here. Only your own.
 
I don't watch movies on my MacBook. I use it for work. The more relevant battery number is wireless web though that isn't particularly accurate either. But for the sake of argument, wireless web is 11 hours for the M1 Pro MacBook Pro and 15 hours for the M2 MacBook Air. A significant difference. I don't own a MacBook Pro but I can tell you I get through an 8 hour day with more than 50% battery remaining with my M1 MacBook Air. I very much doubt that I could say the same for the M1 Pro MBP.
I don't have a MacBook Air and you don't have a MacBook Pro so it's basically conjecture on our parts to argue battery life (not that I'm the one arguing that point), but according to real life battery test reviews like this the M1 Air battery life isn't that great (and the comments to this video also support that).

I guess if all you do is web browsing/email with the screen on 20%, you could save money and get an iPad.
 
I don't have a MacBook Air and you don't have a MacBook Pro so it's basically conjecture on our parts to argue battery life (not that I'm the one arguing that point), but according to real life battery test reviews like this the M1 Air battery life isn't that great (and the comments to this video also support that).

I guess if all you do is web browsing/email with the screen on 20%, you could save money and get an iPad.
Great more YouTube click-bait videos. I can tell you I can do my work all day with the screen brightness one notch below half and end an 8 hour day with 50-60% battery remaining. I'm getting more than 16 hours of real use out of a battery charge cycle. The rated battery on the M1 Pro MacBook Pro is less than the rated battery of the M2 MacBook Air and Apple's ratings are usually pretty accurate.

And work is software development. Currently using ReactJS with the transpiler running in the background doing incremental builds on file changes.
 
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It looks like Apple has sorted out the supply chain at least somewhat. Shipping times haven’t changed much in the last 5 hours. I expect stores will have base models in stock (maybe not much Midnight) and maybe even a few 16GB configurations here and there.
 
I was good. I didn't buy anything today, though I was tempted. :)

What I find strange is that shipping dates aren't really slipping any further than what they have in the first minute or two.
Hopefully that means the supply chain issue is sorted out. Or at least that Apple waited until there was sufficient inventory before launching.
 
Eh? I was hitting Refresh every 15 seconds starting at 7:58AM Eastern, and the store came up for me at almost 8:00AM on the dot. No one was more surprised than me, but yeah, have to disagree with your statement. Had my selection in the cart at 8:01 (Midnight 10/16/512/67w) and it was already saying August 2-9.
It’s the color. If you get any other color you can get that same configuration for July 26-August 1 (at least as of half an hour ago).
 
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Hopefully that means the supply chain issue is sorted out. Or at least that Apple waited until there was sufficient inventory before launching.
Apple seems to have shifted some priority to in-store sales on release day. I was able to get the M1 MacBook Air on release day as long as I was willing to get Space Gray, 16 GB, and 1 TB (I online ordered Silver, 16 GB, and 512 GB). So I canceled the very back ordered online purchase. Not sure if that will be the case again but it might explain the lack of Midnight BTO availability. They are reserving a significant number for day 1 sales.
 
Apple seems to have shifted some priority to in-store sales on release day. I was able to get the M1 MacBook Air on release day as long as I was willing to get Space Gray, 16 GB, and 1 TB (I online ordered Silver, 16 GB, and 512 GB). So I canceled the very back ordered online purchase. Not sure if that will be the case again but it might explain the lack of Midnight BTO availability. They are reserving a significant number for day 1 sales.
We’ll see. I’ll take a look next Friday to see if they have any BTO models for pickup. I think some stores may get 16GB/512GB or 16GB/1TB.
 
Starting to have second thoughts... MBP 14" is only around $400 more since I got 16/512 M2 MBA config with a much better screen, processor, ports and such. If I cancel the online order I could still purchase the MBP online today right? Not sure how Apple pre-auths work.
When the order status still says it’s processing then you should still be able to cancel.
 
The ideal upgrade, for her, would have been a 15” MBA. But she is so in need of an upgrade, she couldn’t wait until ‘23 for a rumored 15” release. If that does come to fruition, there’s always the sell & upgrade option. But for now… Woohoo!
I would have ordered it if it had come in 15”. I just can’t see going below using a 16” screen. Btw, congratulations on your new MBA. Don't forget to post some pictures, please.
 
Macbook Pro 14'' is 1735 right now in the UK in BT Shop, Amazon, Currys, etc.

Already ordered Midnight base model but thinking if should add 16gb ram, and then obviously you think about 512DDR and then it may be worth going for a Pro.
Can get the 14 even cheaper via Costco in the UK £1689.99 for base model.
 
OK, I get it.

Some people have a specific need for a huge car for 7 passengers but with a 120hp engine because will drive at 80 km/h (50 mph) and live in an area with no hills... 😀

Problem is, who will want to buy your 'car' in the future, let's say three years from now, when you try to sell it? People in 2025 will prefer to buy a used 2021 14" MBP M1 for the same price, or even a brand new 2025 MBA M4 with the basic configuration (which maybe can be 16GB in 2025). Entry level devices with maxed specs don't have a good resale value.
Once again you insist on imposing your usage patterns on everyone else!

Why assume that everyone sells a laptop after 3 years? The very fact that you assume it can be sold means *someone* in three years wants it. And why can that person not still be you???
 
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For those wondering why someone would buy an M2 MacBook Air with 24 GB RAM:
  • The MBA is great for bursts of processing and then returning to idle, which is what most people do (eg. opening an app, loading a file, and then coasting inside the app).
  • The MBA is ultra-portable
  • Some people like to open multiple apps at once (eg. having Adobe InDesign, Adobe Photoshop, a font manager, Safari, and a bunch of background utilities like Dropbox)
  • The more RAM you have, the more macOS caches regularly used apps, files, and is ready to call up system processes—so rather than having to call those things up from storage, which introduces lag, it's instantly available in memory—thus your system is faster and snappier with with more RAM. Who that matters to will vary. Me, I like to quit all my apps at once (using Alfred) and then open an app I need (eg Safari or Photoshop), rather than manually quit all the apps except Safari. The way I do it is much faster, and because Safari or Photoshop is in cache, it opens instantly or in half the time.
RAM is like kitchen space—the more kitchen space there is, the longer the kitchen counter, the more food and ingredients you can have immediately available on the counter, and the more space you have to put down meals you're still in the middle of preparing—which means the less you'll need to travel back-and-forth to the storage room to retrieve ingredients. Having more kitchen space makes the chefs and cooks faster because they aren't slowed down by having to run to storage.

And if you have enough kitchen space, you'll have a second counter called "Cache" for all your regularly used condiments and ingredients—they will just be there waiting for you to use them because they know you use them regularly.

Some of y'all are hiring 4-world class chefs, and 4-junior cooks (aka 4/4 CPU), for all this money, and then giving them a tiny kitchen. The chefs make it work—they are professionals—but you don't realize how much more work you're making them do, compared to giving them 'a bit more space than they need.' In technical professions, the term "headroom" is a good thing, but because Apple charges so much for RAM, it makes people frugal and not want to "waste" RAM—but that's hard to do unless you're buying 64 GB or 128 GB of RAM for average workflows. I have 32 GB of RAM now and macOS is using 12 GB for cache—so I would never feel bad about buying 32 GB of RAM even for basic workflows.

So for me 24 GB is a good amount for an ultra-portable computer that still punches above a 16-inch MacBook Pro from 2019. These are Apple golden years and I hope we're all grateful—it's never been better for a Mac user.

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I'm in a similar boat. I already have an M1 Max MBP but wanted something lighter. The MBP is currently "tied" to a desk with two monitors, so it's a bit inconvenient to disconnect and take through the house or on short trips, so I was looking for something lighter without needing the power the M1 Max gives me.

I decided to save money and not buy anything. I did come close, though, on an Air. Another option is the renewed Mac Studio that would free up that MBP. I just couldn't do it, though.

Apple always has great displays, even if they're not mini-LED. Those are even more premium, but in most cases if you're not watching video where blacks come into play, you may not notice much difference. I can't say about 120Hz, though. Some people can see it, some can't.

If you have everything connected through a dock, it's just one cable to disconnect. The dock would charge the MBP at the same time. Even with a MBA M2, you'd probably have it plugged into power.

I only have one external monitor, but it is a Samsung S80A with USB-C connection and 90W charging, so everything goes through that one cable w/o needing even a dock.


I was in a similar boat as well. I've had a 2019 nearly-maxed 15" MBP since 2019. Until fairly recently that thing was my main everyday/everything system, including for work. My job is 100% work-from-home by design, with a little bit of travel here and there. I couldn't justify having a machine specifically suited for travel (small, thin, light, etc) -- I needed a machine that was excellent computationally and capable of being relatively easily mobile when I needed it to be. This view evolved though in just the last month or so.

I found I was using the MBP much more like a desktop than a laptop. I prefer a sitting desk for the comfort, posture and ergonomics so that MBP was tethered to a desk for much of its life. At least 3-of-4 of those USB/TB ports were in use at any one time -- the most significant of those being the one port that was in use by an external GPU enclosure. That eGPU enclosure was a powerhouse in and of itself and drove a few monitors. A single connection for power AND display data is convenient and all, but... it also meant the MBP was on charger literally all the time. That TB cable provides video data and power, not one or the other. In other words, the only way to let the machine run on battery was to disconnect that TB cable and lose power AND external displays.

I tried to be conscious of this and make it part of my routine to disconnect that eGPU enclosure from the MBP and let the battery cycle. It wasn't enough though and it took its toll on the battery. Ultimately the battery wasn't holding much of a charge after three years and I had it replaced under AppleCare+.

Just be mindful of the one-cable-for-everything kind of setup when used with a laptop. macOS has that "optimized" battery charging functionality but ideally batteries still need to be cycled regularly for their health and the one-cable thing might make that a little tricky.

I wound up switching my everyday/everything setup to a desktop-class system in the form of a Mac Studio. I ordered a BTO M1 Max system in mid-June and was quoted mid/late July delivery. It arrived June 30th. I think that was before the refurbs were available and also long before I learned of the infamous fan noise/whine/squeal issue on the Studio systems. Anyway I knew I still needed a mobile-capable system for those rare times I need to be mobile for work or whatever. I had my heart set on the M2 MBA since earlier this year or so when we learned they were in the pipeline. Ordered a Midnight setup early this morning.

I know everyone's use-case is different and unique. I think this is going to be an excellent pairing for my needs. I've been a fan of the MBA for a long while. I still have a 2012 MBA in possession here (that coincidentally needs a battery replacement due to sheer age now) which was my main workhorse at my last job for a long long while and today lives on to run Linux.
 
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Some of y'all are hiring 4-world class chefs, and 4-junior cooks (aka 4/4 CPU), for all this money, and then giving them a tiny kitchen. The chefs make it work—they are professionals—but you don't realize how much more work you're making them do, compared to giving them 'a bit more space than they need.' In technical professions, the term "headroom" is a good thing, but because Apple charges so much for RAM, it makes people frugal and not want to "waste" RAM—but that's hard to do unless you're buying 64 GB or 128 GB of RAM for average workflows. I have 32 GB of RAM now and macOS is using 12 GB for cache—so I would never feel bad about buying 32 GB of RAM even for basic workflows.


Hire thinner, more-efficient chefs ;-)

haha j/k, partially. I'm in IT with a long coding history, from back in the days when we had to think about how big the kitchen was before we even tried to use it. Times are different now and programs are much larger and more complex, and written in languages that are more abstract and "further from the hardware" than ever. And, invariably, programs are far less optimized or efficient than they probably could be. How many programs out there actually tout how efficient & optimized they are? ¯\(ツ)/¯

More RAM is always better. It's in that category of "better to have and not need, than to need and not have" (especially with AAPL's non-user-upgradable systems). That said the M2 MBA system I ordered only has 16GB because it's on company budget money and it was already over-budget... but the Mac Studio I have for personal/everyday use has 64. :)
 
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I think you made the right choice. Max Tech, the biggest purveyors of the 256GB scare, were putting the M2 MBP through torture tests that 99% of users will never do. They got it to overheat and throttle on Red Raw 8K footage, something that a year ago required a Mac Pro to even think about doing. Why would any power user be looking at an entry level machine when a 14" MBP can be had for a tiny bit more with loads of advanced features? If you're thinking of serious editing of 8K Red Raw footage, you're looking at the wrong machine.

Others who tried similar things, like the Everyday Dad, couldn't even get his fans to go to more than 50% on his torture tests, with the laptop remaining quite cool. IMO, the issue is way overblown, though I'm sure Apple is laughing all the way to the bank with all the FUD causing people to buy more storage and RAM than they need.

i doubt you will notice any difference whether you had bought a 512GB configuration or a 256GB with what you're using it for.
Thank you for some common sense
 
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I just don’t see how the m2 air with no fan and thinner chassis is going to have any kind of thermal envelope.

The purpose of a design without fans is to be silent. It isn't to have maximum performance.

Slowing down the CPU, GPU and all other parts of the machines is a better solution than to include a fan, turn it on and make noise. So if the M2 has to slowdown sometimes it means it is perfectly designed.

The Mac you ordered on the other hand includes at least one fan and is doomed from the start to be a failure.
 
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