Apple Now Faces 26+ Lawsuits for 'Purposefully' or 'Secretly' Slowing Down Older iPhones

[jasonsmith_88]

Thus, Apple's admission has confirmed what iPhone users have long suspected - i.e., that Apple deliberately degrades the performance of older iPhone models through iOS updates to encourage users to buy new iPhones.

Wow Honigman, so intelligent. People have suspected Apple of slowing down devices years before iOS 10.2.1, and those suspicions have never been confirmed. So no, Apple's recent admission of the 10.2.1 slowdown doesn't confirm the long-held suspicion that Apple slows down older devices; only the recent suspicion that iOS 10.2.1 slows down some devices. Secondly, Apple admitting to slowing down devices due to a degraded battery doesn't automatically confirm an intention to encourage users to buy a new phone.

An absolute load of drivel. But hey, I shouldn't be surprised when this argument is coming from someone who started a lawsuit expecting compensation/free batteries/free devices because their degraded phone got a little slow, as if magical non-degrading battery technology exists and Apple just refuses to use it.

 

[Shelly2you]

As Apple said, the slow down was to protect the phone from shutting down and avoiding damage to the phone. Nothing was intentional in that for any other purpose. I have a friend with an android phone and a bad battery, guess what?, his phone is always shutting down regardless how often he charges it. After all this mess maybe Apple should remove the code and let phones with bad batteries just die...whats the complaint then? No battery lasts for ever and how well one takes care of them varies from user to user.

I can agree with you to a certain point. HOWEVER, as someone who was pretty much forced into paying monthly payments for my phone,it is not fair. I didn’t have nearly $1,000.00 at the time to pay out right and was told my only option was to pay month to month. So here I am paying nearly $30 a month for a phone I haven’t had 2 years yet and still have almost 7 months of monthly payments to go. If they can’t make the phones to last on purpose, then why force people to pay such a high amount for something that won’t last more than 2 years? Should the phone companies be sued instead? Who takes responsibility for this? I am not buying a new phone just to get stuck paying yet another $1000.00. If I pay that much I expect it to last a very long time. Remember when you used to be able to walk into Best Buy or Verizon and get a iPhone or Android for $199?

 

[Marekul]

2 out of the 3 scenarios Apple listed for potential throttling due to lack of voltage don't require an old battery. Low charge and cold conditions can both happen when the battery is brand new. So how can you effectively argue that the throttling feature was actually intended to prevent the customer from knowing "the battery was the problem" if it's not going to be the problem until you hit 80% capacity or less? Apple has never said the shutdown prevention feature only kicked in when the battery capacity hit a certain point. They've said it kicks in when there are large peaks/valleys in power draw relative to the remaining voltage during discharge. And that has been proven by the fact that benchmarking apps like Geekbench can trigger throttling regardless of the overall battery capacity.

What Apple has said: old battery, battery on low charge, cold battery. The last two can occur with a brand new battery, so it isn't necessarily related to "bad" condition of the battery. Amount of remaining charge or temperature can also negatively affect the amount of current available for the CPU for a given task.

Which if true sounds much more like a major design flaw than bad components. But then the question is how could they move on with this over at least 3 generations of iPhones? Deliberate or not, there is no excuse for this.

 

[PeaceMonger]

Secretly altering the function of another person's property is wrong; "why" doesn't matter. A 6 year old understands this.

All the reasons supporting it are pure sophistry, nothing else.

Evil is as evil does.

You should really think about what you're supporting and what that says about *your* morals if you're defending Apple's transgressions.

 

[Act3]

Why not just use a battery case?

a battery case doesn't fix the throttling

 

[Baymowe335]

wasn't a problem for the iphone 2G, 3G, 4, 4S, 5, or 5S.

They didn’t have as powerful of chips or as demanding apps.

There is also zero confirmation that this issue is affecting more than just a small subset of phones. I run iOS 11.2.1 and my phone isn’t throttled, so the software clearly only throttles phones with degraded batteries or all phones would be slow.

Let me know when you have hard data on how many phones are slower out of the 800M out there.

 

[PeaceMonger]

[QUOTE=" <snip, brevity> Let me know when you have hard data on how many phones are slower out of the 800M out there.[/QUOTE]


ONE - would be too many.

Evil scales well, don't know if it is additive or multiplicative.

At what point would you consider this wrong? The tenth iPhone crippled - or maybe number 9,381,212?

 

[617660]

Today I watched my battery percentage go from 44% down to 15% in a matter of a few seconds, wth.

Were you outside in the cold?

 

[Corgirat]

[QUOTE=" <snip, brevity> Let me know when you have hard data on how many phones are slower out of the 800M out there.

ONE - would be too many.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. At least I paid $1000 to OWN an iPhone 6s that was upgraded from 5s the way Apple advertised and demonstrated at the store. NOT knowing it will slow down without my consent. If my macbook’s battery keeps on dying, I will go get a new battery and same should be for my iPhone too. If Apple uses battery that keeps shutting down then they should fix the battery or hardware. And release iOS that doesn’t throttle any iPhone.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

So you would take Apple's word for it but not Samsung's?

I see no bias at all.

Considering Apple has a decades-long and deserved reputation for not exaggerating product specs, and even more particularly when it comes to battery-performance, and Samsung has a decades-long and deserved reputation of exactly the opposite, why yes, yes I do.

 

[Cndnmax]

Like opening Maps and Messages?

*and Settings.

Right! My keyboard lags soo bad at times. Typing does not require lots of processing power. I still have slowing issues when my phone is fully charged or even plugged in. I call BS on their explanation.

 

[Act3]

Exactly. At least I paid $1000 to OWN an iPhone 6s that was upgraded from 5s the way Apple advertised and demonstrated at the store. NOT knowing it will slow down without my consent. If my macbook’s battery keeps on dying, I will go get a new battery and same should be for my iPhone too. If Apple uses battery that keeps shutting down then they should fix the battery or hardware. And release iOS that doesn’t throttle any iPhone.

And if the best they can do is a 5s with the current battery tech , then maybe they should't make more powerful processors until the battery for their phone offerings catches up. What good is a faster processor in a phone if it can't use its power? Throttling a CPU when you need the power for heavy tasks just doesn't make any sense and seems like a poor design. My 6s was throttled to a clock speed slower than a 5s before I replaced the battery. Maybe a 5s with 2 gig of ram would have been a better phone than the 6s. Havent seen complaints about the 5s shutting down after a year @ 30%.

 

[Baymowe335]

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ONE - would be too many.

Evil scales well, don't know if it is additive or multiplicative.

At what point would you consider this wrong? The tenth iPhone crippled - or maybe number 9,381,212?

One? There is some failure rate and courts will be reasonable on this. Maybe they got a bad batch of batteries. That’s why the stock is near an all time high...only pitchforkers are overreacting.
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And if the best they can do is a 5s with the current battery tech , then maybe they should't make more powerful processors until the battery for their phone offerings catches up. What good is a faster processor in a phone if it can't use its power? Throttling a CPU when you need the power for heavy tasks just doesn't make any sense and seems like a poor design. My 6s was throttled to a clock speed slower than a 5s before I replaced the battery. Maybe a 5s with 2 gig of ram would have been a better phone than the 6s. Havent seen complaints about the 5s shutting down after a year @ 30%.

My iPhone X is using the power just fine and so are hundreds of millions of 6, 6s, 7, and 8 owners.

It’s funny how everyone here assume all devices are affected.

 

[Act3]

My iPhone X is using the power just fine and so are hundreds of millions of 6, 6s, 7, and 8 owners.

It’s funny how everyone here assume all devices are affected.

It is funny how a small handful of folks not affected are obsessed with this thread and all the other threads discussing this issue.

 

[r.harris1]

ONE - would be too many.

Evil scales well, don't know if it is additive or multiplicative.

At what point would you consider this wrong? The tenth iPhone crippled - or maybe number 9,381,212?

Power management is evil? I find that utterly absurd with so much real evil in the world.

 

[PeaceMonger]

Power management is evil? I find that utterly absurd with so much real evil in the world.

Well, let's see about evil. I see Deceit, subterfuge, lying, profiting from planned obsolesce.


EVIL
adjective

1. 1.
   profoundly immoral and malevolent.
   "his evil deeds"
   synonyms: wicked, bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, foul, vile, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, reprobate, villainous, nefarious, vicious, malicious; M

noun

1. 1.
   profound immorality, wickedness, and depravity, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.

Yeah, I'd say evil works just fine as a description but I'm flexible. Which synonym would you prefer?

 

[Act3]

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2015/09/09Apple-Introduces-iPhone-6s-iPhone-6s-Plus/

"A9, Apple’s third-generation 64-bit chip powers these innovations with 70 percent faster CPU and 90 percent faster GPU performance than the A8, all with gains in energy efficiency for great battery life."

Apple messed up by not telling the user that their device was being throttled due to battery health. There is no disclaimer back when the 6s was released to let users know that the speeds were going to be throttled as battery got old. There was no notification that throttling was put in place and that changing the battery would restore the phone to as bought advertised speed.

 

[FrenzyBanana]

so this is the reason why all my apple device is behaving badly

1. my macbook 17" still running fast. but i cannot use it while charging because it will become hotter as soon as i plug the charger and fan will spin to the maximum level making loud weird noises.

2. iphone 5. battery drain so fast. thats why i purchase new phone.

3. iphone 6s. my latest phone. everythings okay. but now, after iphone X release. i notice that the battery drain so fast.
in 100% battery, after playing 3 or 4 rank games in Mobile Legends... 10% battery warning pop up. thats so sad

all issues are battery. and i think its coming from my hobby of updating.
this is heart breaking. my iphoneX will arrive next week. and i will never trust update anymore.

why o why apple

 

[PeaceMonger]

[QUOTE="<snip, space> . my iphoneX will arrive next week. and i will never trust update anymore.

why o why apple[/QUOTE]

I am guessing you don't spend time with people you can expect to defraud you, right?
So why would you ever spend another red cent with this venal company who has - and intends to continue?

The first time it's on them.
Now that you know their nature, it's on you.

Send the phone back and buy something from an honest company.

 

[617660]

I am guessing you don't spend time with people you can expect to defraud you, right?
So why would you ever spend another red cent with this venal company who has - and intends to continue?

The first time it's on them.
Now that you know their nature, it's on you.

Send the phone back and buy something from an honest company.

Cannot have said it better myself.

Besides, he has the option to do the $29 battery swap instead of spending $1,000 for a phone that will meet similar fate as his current iDevices.

 

[Corgirat]

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2015/09/09Apple-Introduces-iPhone-6s-iPhone-6s-Plus/

"A9, Apple’s third-generation 64-bit chip powers these innovations with 70 percent faster CPU and 90 percent faster GPU performance than the A8, all with gains in energy efficiency for great battery life."

Apple messed up by not telling the user that their device was being throttled due to battery health. There is no disclaimer back when the 6s was released to let users know that the speeds were going to be throttled as battery got old. There was no notification that throttling was put in place and that changing the battery would restore the phone to as bought and advertised speed.

My question is how long will the advertised speed last on that new battery? Only until the next iOS update is installed? Because how do I know this throttling is only affecting the old battery?
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[QUOTE="<snip, space> . my iphoneX will arrive next week. and i will never trust update anymore.

why o why apple

I am guessing you don't spend time with people you can expect to defraud you, right?
So why would you ever spend another red cent with this venal company who has - and intends to continue?

The first time it's on them.
Now that you know their nature, it's on you.

Send the phone back and buy something from an honest company.[/QUOTE]

Who is the honest company?

 

[PeaceMonger]

My question is how long will the advertised speed last on that new battery? Only until the next iOS update is installed? Because how do I know this throttling is only affecting the old battery?

PRECISELY !

Once Apple's deceit was exposed the rational thing to do is to not trust a word they say.

The only way this changes is a complete change of upper management.

I have nothing against Apple, the company.

I want Apple's management responsible for this to be hung, drawn and quartered as a public demonstration of our displeasure. Metaphorically, of course. A little prison time will do nicely.

 

[redgreenski]

You say this as if it's always been a reality of iPhone ownership. It hasn't been. For some reason around the time the iPhone 6 arrived Apple suddenly seemed to have issues and concerns about battery degradation. What exactly caused this is unclear, but I'd love to get the answers one day.

Did they start using cheaper batteries? Did they realize they shipped a lot of faulty batteries, and instead of owning up to it they tried to fix it via software?

I remember I had a lot of problems with iPhone 6. I had it for less than two years and that battery would not last half a day, it would even at some point refuse to charge. I took it of course to Apple store that claimed battery was fine after a "test." So yeah, it left a sour taste in my mouth.

 

[617660]

Considering Apple has a decades-long and deserved reputation for not exaggerating product specs, and even more particularly when it comes to battery-performance, and Samsung has a decades-long and deserved reputation of exactly the opposite, why yes, yes I do.

Well, I am probably a lesser fan of Samsung than Apple, so while I am not sure what "exact opposite" they've done compared to Apple, I am simply not going to come to Samsung's defense.

It's just funny that you feel so strong an affinity to a corporation that you would defend them when they are obvious in the wrong.

 

[Nick05]

My question is how long will the advertised speed last on that new battery? Only until the next iOS update is installed? Because how do I know this throttling is only affecting the old battery?
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My 6 is noticeably slower than it used to be when running on battery power. When connected to power, it seems normal. That leads me to believe it is looking at battery health and not slowing down due to software itself.