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Apple Now Faces 26+ Lawsuits for 'Purposefully' or 'Secretly' Slowing Down Older iPhones
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Yeah, but he was mentioning relieving of the 25 pounds.
You British have a weird sense of humor!
Exactly. They're removing the 25 pounds from his pocket
I think you mistakenly are reading extra words into it, such as "Apple will relieve me of the 25 pound charge." Which would then indeed mean it was "free" like you thought.
As stated earlier, no free battery - I was just pleasantly surprised that they agreed do the replacement when their diagnostics said the battery was good. I talked with Apple support earlier this week and they stated that the reduced fee replacement would only be done if the battery was found to be defective.
BTW I've done all the CPU Dasher and other (Geek) bench marking. Bad performance appears unrelated to how discharged the battery is and whether or not the CPU is being throttled.
I think it could be written better, but he was poking fun. Probably sounds better when spoken than written.Exactly. They're removing the 25 pounds from his pocket
I think you mistakenly are reading extra words into it, such as "Apple will relieve me of the 25 pound charge." Which would then indeed mean it was "free" like you thought.
That just sounds like the normal "An Update Too Far" problems, like with my iPad 2. When I upgraded it to iOS 9 (when iOS 10 was about to come out, which I knew would be incompatible), I was fairly quickly sorry I did. Nothing to do with battery life, mind you, and MOST things are still ok; but browsing the web and certain text-editing operations are DOG-SLOW, to the point where I have ALMOST given up on it.
But, 25 quid is a small price to pay to see if your iPhone 6 becomes peppy again. I wish it was that simple for me and my iPad 2...
Now, if you want me to get on board with a class-action suit against Apple, it would be for not allowing users to DOWNGRADE their iOS devices for some reasonable amount of time after a new Major Release comes out, like 3 to 6 months, instead of zero to 5 DAYS... That way, if you have "Upgrade Remorse", you can go back to a version of iOS that is more suitable to your device's hardware.
I have thought about this in length, and one explanation is that Apple has taken a leaf from VW's emissions scam playbook.
Apple has code in iOS that detects when the device is undergoing a benchmark. Unlike VW, who throttled the diesel engine when benchmarking was detected, Apple has coded iOS so that the CPU is not limited by slowdown when it is conducting benchmark computation.
From a programming perspective this would be simple.
Yes, will get a message Windows is shutting down and the laptop turns off and can’t be turned on until plugged in.so we can assume the battery is old and battered. Does it cut off while you us
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Yes, that's when it's about to die. They all do that. They don't switch off once charged or with charge remaining (unless the battery is serious bad).
Just did a quick check on my iPhone 5S battery.
According to coconut battery
My iPhone 5S is 1557 days old (4.26 years old)
It has had 1208 cycles so far
Design capacity is 1560mAh
It is currently 1349mAh
80% of 1560 is 1248
So my battery has been used for 4.26 years (charged nearly every day) and I have more than 80% battery capacity left. Still lasts close to what it did from new on a full charge. It plays games fine, doesn't switch off randomly and just works. Don't forget this was 64bit and touted as good as a desktop cpu at the time.
Li-ion battery tech is really good! As mentioned before I have many Li-ion devices all with original batteries from 1-10 years old still working ok.
Isn't that what iPhones should do and have been doing until this ridiculous slowing down issue?
We can only assume they are either covering up really bad batteries with the software patch or there is a serious issue with the phone (defect). Hopefully we will find out soon!
We can assume but Apple (who control software and hardware) will know exactly what the issue is!
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You are lucky with your 5s. I have two 5s I’m using as testers. One 5s goes from 100-50 in a normally reasonable amount of time. And then plummets to 20% in a few minutes, after which I plug in the phone.
The other 5s is much more linear in discharge. Both 5s were bought in 2013.
So while both 5s were from the same year it shows how different batteries can be.
Yes, it occurred to me too but I’m not *quite* disillusioned enough yet to really believe that Apple would be that cynical...
Or include an adequate battery, commensurate with the asking price and performance...
Still a matter of customer choice. Some customers think a bigger battery (longer lasting) commands a higher price. Some customers think a smaller battery (for a slimmer, lighter device) commands the higher prices. Multiple vendors to choose from based on your own particular preference.
I, personally, think the latest iPhones are already a bit on the heavy side (e.g. I personally would like a bezel-less 5s/SE with a newer processor and newer touch ID, even though it would probably have to be run slower than the larger 8 or X , due to less room for the battery).
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Well, count me in! I just got my 6s battery replaced and holy smokes! My phone flies now. I bought my 6s Nov 2015, and it was one of the phones with the bad battery AND the bad processor. I gave it to my son to use and got an SE. Well, because my son works outside as a landscaper and the phone couldn't make it through a work day on a single charge, he bought a 7+ and geve me back the 6s, so I started using it again and sold the SE. I was waiting for the next gen SE because the 6s was a dog, so it actually worked staccato. Did I know why? NO, and that is the crux of the lawsuits. Today, I took my phone to Apple in Scottsdale, AZ (I made the reservation a week ago) and it had about 80% charging capability, but it discharged very rapidly, making so that it needed to be charged about every 4 hours. And it was sluggish. So, yes, the battery caper caused my son to buy a new phone and me to contemplate buying one. The battery replacement was free after I drove 100 miles each way to the closest Apple Store (our local Apple certified repair place recommended taking it to an Apple Store and said they would charge $30 labor regardless of the warranty program if I did decide to use them). Despite the reservation for a battery replacement, I would have had to take the phone back when a battery for me arrived (two weeks? three?); the reservation doesn't mean they will have the battery. But, since I arrived at opening, the day's shipment of batteries had not yet been allocated to prior customers, and Apple recognized the distance and the fact that my phone qualified for a free battery, so I was told to return in 2.5 hours to pick up my phone. Evidentally, they expect everyone to come in twice.
How does this play out: can Apple really expect people to go without their phones? I lived in Silicon Valley for thirty years and it seems that Apple thinks everyone has five Apple Stores within twenty minutes. Now, I live in Prescott, Arizona. If I couldn't take a day to drive my phone to the store, mailing is the only option. How does that work? This is a PHONE (and for many, their only phone). For the time my phone was with Apple today, I used my iPad and Google Voice. I am tech savvy; how in the world does Apple think people can give up their primary communication device for even a couple of days? I have this recurring scene where a lost hiker is trying to phone for help; but sadly has a crappy Apple battery and the battery dies (after only four hours) and the hiker dies, all because Apple didn't tell anyone their dirty little secret.
Addendum: Well, ha ha. I don't use my phone to play games very much. Just Bejeweled for a short change of pace. The game stalled and locked up all the time and i just thought "oh, crappy game. EA (a former employer of mine) must only want paying players. Well, the new battery fixed that issue. Does Apple think we will call with every little issue? App developers should be pissed. Apple's slowing of apps to protect the battery life reflected badly on them.
Addendum II: Yesterday, a young hiker in Sedona was plucked off a high elevation rock formation by helicopter. He got lost and his last call was to 911 the day before, right before his battery went dead. The news said, "Just a reminder: Never go hiking alone". I think the lesson is never go hiking without a back-up battery, especially if you have an iPhone between a 5s and an 8.
Article Link: Apple Now Faces 26+ Lawsuits for 'Purposefully' or 'Secretly' Slowing Down Older iPhones[/QUOTE]
How does this play out: can Apple really expect people to go without their phones? I lived in Silicon Valley for thirty years and it seems that Apple thinks everyone has five Apple Stores within twenty minutes. Now, I live in Prescott, Arizona. If I couldn't take a day to drive my phone to the store, mailing is the only option. How does that work? This is a PHONE (and for many, their only phone). For the time my phone was with Apple today, I used my iPad and Google Voice. I am tech savvy; how in the world does Apple think people can give up their primary communication device for even a couple of days? I have this recurring scene where a lost hiker is trying to phone for help; but sadly has a crappy Apple battery and the battery dies (after only four hours) and the hiker dies, all because Apple didn't tell anyone their dirty little secret.
Addendum: Well, ha ha. I don't use my phone to play games very much. Just Bejeweled for a short change of pace. The game stalled and locked up all the time and i just thought "oh, crappy game. EA (a former employer of mine) must only want paying players. Well, the new battery fixed that issue. Does Apple think we will call with every little issue? App developers should be pissed. Apple's slowing of apps to protect the battery life reflected badly on them.
Addendum II: Yesterday, a young hiker in Sedona was plucked off a high elevation rock formation by helicopter. He got lost and his last call was to 911 the day before, right before his battery went dead. The news said, "Just a reminder: Never go hiking alone". I think the lesson is never go hiking without a back-up battery, especially if you have an iPhone between a 5s and an 8.
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But it will perform as it rated until the battery dies.
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Well it shows how different apples battery’s can be. Quality?
obviously defective batteries reading this
https://www.apple.com/uk/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/
If replacing the battery fixes the issue, it's a defective battery
Apple shouldn't be charging £25 for the honour!
https://www.apple.com/uk/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/
If replacing the battery fixes the issue, it's a defective battery
Apple shouldn't be charging £25 for the honour!
True, anyone here looking for blood doesn't matter that much.
However, the people actually experiencing the problem sure seem to be long time Apple users, who have lost at least some trust in Apple.
They're the important ones, whose experience already has had an impact on their perception of the brand.
This, exactly. Affording it isn't the point, the point is, that the phone NEEDS one.
I think consumers like myself and my family will make a big difference and I'm not saying everyone thinks like we do.
However, we started with one iphone 4, and since then bought 3 iphone 4, 2 5s, iphone 6, iphone 6s, iphone 6s+, iphone 7, iphone 7+, 1 apple tv, 3 macbooks, 1 aw over the course of time.
I think apple had a lapse of corporate judgment with lack of transparency, but that's about it. I'm not going to alter my purchase decisions because of these IOS updates.
That was not an attempt to insult anybody. If you keep looking for insults you'll eventually find them, though.
First, I do not buy into the planned obsolescence theory. Apple only implemented their battery optimization’s for failing batteries following iOS 10. I actually believe apple’s claim, though they should have been much more up front about what they had intended AND given consumers the option to choose between longer battery life at the expense of speed or speed and responsiveness at the risk of random shutdowns.
I have the jump program with t-mobile so I can get a new phone every 6 months or when I pay at least half the cost of the phone. I did that when I had Android because with Android phones there is always something else that comes out every 6 months. But I switch to Apple and I had the iPhone 6s and for about 7 months and then the iPhone 7 came out and then I got that one instead.
I remember having auto brightness on or I could chose off. But Apple took it away. Now auto brightness is on all the time! A painful in the ass! Now I chose not to have a passcode on. Just so I don't get locked out. Like I did before. Grrrrr!