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Tesla panels, correct. Hideously expensive.
Are you talking about Tesla tile type deals or just solar panels?
Solar panels don’t take anything like 30 years to pay for themselves
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If you'd like to pay more than you're legally obligated to pay, I'll gladly provide my address for any overpayments... :D
Ditto
 
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Kudos. This is an important step in the right direction. Obviously there is still much more to be done to make Apple and other companies more sustainable but the Great Leap Forward starts with a single step.
 
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Nonsense. Everything can be repaired. When the RAM goes bad on a $2,000 MacBook, you can bet that it is going to be repaired. Sometimes repairs are not easy, but they are always possible.

And don't forget that lots of things that make items harder to repair make them last longer in the first place.
They really could increase the longevity of their products by making them more upgradeable and hence, less waste.
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It’s a shame they don’t care about other contributors to climate change, like planned obsolescence and the impact “throw away” devices will have on the planet..

I’m sure they care, but not enough to let it interfere with their product vision.
 
They really could increase the longevity of their products by making them more upgradeable and hence, less waste.
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I’m sure they care, but not enough to let it interfere with their product vision.

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not
 
Genuinely curious, what does Taxes have any relation with Apple being powered by 100% percent renewable energy worldwide?

I was being cheeky, it was in reference to Apple leading by example. My comment was a reply to this:

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Don't think so, the Apple store where I live is in a mall dont see any solar or wind turbine on the roof..
 
Good for them, all they have to do now is pay their taxes
Apple pays every dollar they are legally obligated.

Apple pays more tax than anyone and doesn’t owe the tax in Ireland. They are appealing and will win if they don’t drop due to tax law changes making it more or less inconsequential.
 
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Tesla panels, correct. Hideously expensive.

Yes they are but they’re new tech, plus it makes no sense to fit them unless you are fitting a roof either in new build or because you need a new roof.
From an environmental or cost point of view there isn’t supposed to be a case to just replace them.
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Don't think so, the Apple store where I live is in a mall dont see any solar or wind turbine on the roof..

Yeah this has been covered already.
 
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Praise for Apple.... a company still selling a Mac Mini that has not been updated for 3.5 years, no significant innovation in desktop hardware. I wish Steve Jobs was still here to see Apple's wonderful new headquarters and to show Tim Cook and crew the door out for producing what Steve, on many occasions, called "crap". Enjoy the new offices - leadership at Apple really has not earned their 100% solar powered work space. They are just riding out their time on Steve's legacy. Time of the Board to act and get Apple producing hardware and spending less time on feeding the narcissism of Cook, Cue, Federighi, Ive and Ahrendts.
 
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Yes they are but they’re new tech, plus it makes no sense to fit them unless you are fitting a roof either in new build or because you need a new roof.
From an environmental or cost point of view there isn’t supposed to be a case to just replace them.
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Yeah this has been covered already.
Correct. We need to replace the roof in a year. We figured if we were going to need to replace it, we might as well consider Tesla. It’s very cool tech. Still considering, but probably won’t pull the trigger. It’s not like splurging on a new Mac...
 
Praise for Apple.... a company still selling a Mac Mini that has not been updated for 3.5 years, no significant innovation in desktop hardware. I wish Steve Jobs was still here to see Apple's wonderful new headquarters and to show Tim Cook and crew the door out for producing what Steve, on many occasions, called "crap". Enjoy the new offices - leadership at Apple really has not earned their 100% solar powered work space. They are just riding out their time on Steve's legacy. Time of the Board to act and get Apple producing hardware and spending less time on feeding the narcissism of Cook, Cue, Federighi, Ive and Ahrendts.
As long as the iPhone train keeps bringing in the money, this is not going to happen.
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As long as the iPhone train keeps bringing in the money, this is not going to happen.
I agree with respect to Ahrendts—Apple stores are awful. There is no organization and many times you’re left to hunt for someone to help you or ring you up. There was nothing wrong with an actual front counter. She’s terrible.
 
Can someone tell me how Apple’s retail stores achieve such? Some of them are located in malls which I don’t think Apple clan control where the power comes from. Do they simply produce more energy than they are using and then use that as a means to claim that they are 100% renewable?
That's exactly it... They feed back into the grid as a credit against use to manipulate the number to claim that statement. I know for a fact that their store in Naples, Florida does not run on renewable energy.
 
Impressive. Besides climate change, using renewable energy also has its economical advantages and it sure makes the company look good. Hope this inspires many others, whatever their motives may be (I’m personally rooting for the planet).

It should also be increasingly economical compared to conventional power sources as solar prices drop. I remember a while ago a coal museum in Kentucky going solar because it would save them $10,000 a year in energy costs.
 
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Ah, “off sets.” Like planting a tree if you use too much fossil fuel? I see.

No. Not at all actually.

Whether the energy that powers their stores comes from a green source or not, Apple is putting that much green energy back into the grid. Instead of the power company creating that amount of energy, which is going to be used no matter how it’s created, from a dirty source, Apple creates it from a clean one. Who uses the energy in the end isn’t the point.
 
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That's exactly it... They feed back into the grid as a credit against use to manipulate the number to claim that statement. I know for a fact that their store in Naples, Florida does not run on renewable energy.

It sounds like you're trying to twist the truth here. If a company puts as much renewable energy into the grid as energy they take out, then they are effectively using renewable energy. It's not that hard to understand.
 
I'm not sure if I believe this.
Apple's retail outlets, offices, server farms, etc., okay, if you consider their overall plus/minus balance as far as electrical generation/consumption goes.
But if you were to include all the manufacturing going on in China (Apple makes dick-all on their own) I think it would be a much different story.
That power (in China) would include a lot of coal fired generating stations, as well as nuclear.
So maybe what Apple owns directly might be renewable, but most of the energy they need to operate as a company (manufacturing, through their surrogates) is not.
 
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Far less than the 7.3 billion people breathing in on out every hour, the original problem, not Apple.

Riiight,..so the people using the power are the issue. ie. Apple. ..please don't get into politics anytime soon, Lol
 
So maybe what Apple owns directly might be renewable, but most of the energy they need to operate as a company (manufacturing, through their surrogates) is not.

Apple's not claiming their manufacturing and suppliers are 100% powered by renewable energy. The linked article explains some of the progress being made, but doesn't mention the proportion of the supply chain that's renewable to date. I'd like to see a scorecard for their entire operations.
 
It sounds like you're trying to twist the truth here. If a company puts as much renewable energy into the grid as energy they take out, then they are effectively using renewable energy. It's not that hard to understand.

Well why don't they say it like that!! Do you know how much power 1 apple.store.consumes in 1 day? Of course you don't, because.it doesn't make for good PR spin. I would like to see all the stats for all the Apple stores & manufacturers, if they are going to use PR spin. Don't get me wrong, I love my apple products, I'm just not a fan of media releases that are just spin.

People are so gullible!
 
So where do they store the energy? There is nothing like a green renewable energy. So please P.R WTF is wrong with macrumors?
 
It sounds like you're trying to twist the truth here. If a company puts as much renewable energy into the grid as energy they take out, then they are effectively using renewable energy. It's not that hard to understand.
Think of it like money. If you owe me money, then you have your bank cut me a check. Or send it with Zelle. Or Apple Pay through iMessage. But then, it's your bank that's paying me. Not you. You still owe me. Now pay up, again!

Even if you write out the check by hand and give it to me, I'm still collecting the money from your bank, you. You still owe me.

Even if you give me a bunch of dollar bills, passed from your hand to mine, that's not REAL money. It's just a "Federal Reserve Note".

If your mind can handle paying for something using a credit card and then using EFT to pay off the credit card, then it can handle the idea that depositing "green" energy into the grid in one part of the grid and withdrawing the same amount of energy in another part gives you the right to say you produce all the energy you need using green sources. No, it's not the same "green" electrons coming out of the pipe that you put in (the electrons themselves aren't really flowing in the first place), any more than it's the same dollars and cents coming out of your bank account that you deposited.

Another analogy: When you put the quarter in to rent your shopping cart at ALDI, you get the quarter back when you return it, right? WRONG! Usually the clerk at the register takes your groceries and puts them into another cart that he has at the end of the checkout lane. You walk up to the store with a nice, clean quarter, and you go back to your car with someone else's grimy coin. Then someone who probably doesn't deserve it walks away with your precious clean quarter. It's a total rip-off!
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Think of it like money. If you owe me money, then you have your bank cut me a check. Or send it with Zelle. Or Apple Pay through iMessage. But then, it's your bank that's paying me. Not you. You still owe me. Now pay up, again!

Even if you write out the check by hand and give it to me, I'm still collecting the money from your bank, you. You still owe me.

Even if you give me a bunch of dollar bills, passed from your hand to mine, that's not REAL money. It's just a "Federal Reserve Note".

If your mind can handle paying for something using a credit card and then using EFT to pay off the credit card, then it can handle the idea that depositing "green" energy into the grid in one part of the grid and withdrawing the same amount of energy in another part gives you the right to say you produce all the energy you need using green sources. No, it's not the same "green" electrons coming out of the pipe that you put in (the electrons themselves aren't really flowing in the first place), any more than it's the same dollars and cents coming out of your bank account that you deposited.

Another analogy: When you put the quarter in to rent your shopping cart at ALDI, you get the quarter back when you return it, right? WRONG! Usually the clerk at the register takes your groceries and puts them into another cart that he has at the end of the checkout lane. You walk up to the store with a nice, clean quarter, and you go back to your car with someone else's grimy coin. Then someone who probably doesn't deserve it walks away with your precious clean quarter. It's a total rip-off!
I get what you’re saying here, and don’t get me wrong because I agree with you, but the analogy is so drawn out that it gets lost.
 
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