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Apple Now Promoting iPhone XR and iPhone XS Trade-Ups With Monthly Payment Option
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If Jobs was still around & running AAPL, the company wouldn't be in the situation it is now.
IMO, one of the key differences between Jobs & Cook is that Jobs was very Hands-ON, while Cook is probably very Hands-OFF ... I don't think Cook really knows how things work ... & here I mean the Technology ... I think he is strictly a Bean Counter-type.
Cook makes a Fine #2 OR #3 guy, just don't expect him to "Correctly" set direction.
He simply doesn't have that skill.
Keep an Eye Open for how much Debt AAPL reports on Tuesday.
It's something that hasn't gotten much notice in the Market the past years, but it soon will.
It might on Tuesday.
IMO, one of the key differences between Jobs & Cook is that Jobs was very Hands-ON, while Cook is probably very Hands-OFF ... I don't think Cook really knows how things work ... & here I mean the Technology ... I think he is strictly a Bean Counter-type.
Cook makes a Fine #2 OR #3 guy, just don't expect him to "Correctly" set direction.
He simply doesn't have that skill.
Keep an Eye Open for how much Debt AAPL reports on Tuesday.
It's something that hasn't gotten much notice in the Market the past years, but it soon will.
It might on Tuesday.
Yeah I got an iPhone 8+ for "free" then you have to up your data plan and add insurance and stay with them for an eternity. I think maybe this is why Apple may have some success with this. I still am uncertain if they force you to have AppleCare to use their financing. If so I am out. Anybody know?
If you think about this as a monthly payment, I'm sure every one of us has some service that we pay much more for. In fact, I bet accessing the internet through your phone costs more than the phone itself...
Just another way to think about it and justify the high cost. I agree it's high, but to me it's still worth it. I can afford the $10/per week. Just cut out 1 trip to starbucks.
Just another way to think about it and justify the high cost. I agree it's high, but to me it's still worth it. I can afford the $10/per week. Just cut out 1 trip to starbucks.
Ditto.
Some folks confuse reticence to pony $1,000 or more with limited funds -- nothing of the sort.
They miss the point you just made -- short-term "stuff" versus life-long "experiences" (in my case, shared with my lovely wife).
But to each his/her own.
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Strange comment given that the XR is $30 cheaper than the 7 Plus originally sold for three years ago, and has a larger screen, Face ID, and better battery life, among other improvements.
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When bananas are on sale at the grocery store do you think that it's a desperate ploy to move overpriced fruit?
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What situation is that? Double the revenue and profits when compare to the last year Jobs was in charge?
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I don't recall anyone at Apple saying that a $1,000 phone is cheap. But for those who can't afford a BMW, there's always a Fiesta for 1/5th the price that does the job just as well.
1. You conveniently leave out the fact that the XR has a lower quality screen than the 7+
2. Bananas rot if they don't get sold
3. See Jobs' interview in the 90s on what "rational profit" is as opposed to greed
4. BMW didn't raise their price by 20% across the entire product line and Apple isn't a luxury brand.
How much does apple pay you to defend them? Or is apple a religion to you? And how are your apple stocks performing recently? (not so good I bet haha)
It’s not even a lower price... It’s just rewording of existing deals to mislead consumers into spending money they don’t want to. Really sad once you think about it!
I think it’s a combination of that, and iPhone market saturation from the battery replacement program. I feel people still under estimate the effect on slow sales. Apple replaced roughly 11 million batteries in 2018. iOS 12 runs just dandy for 75% of people on 6/7 series devices with new batteries. Then pile on all the new 8 series purchases and bingo. I’ll be using my 8+ until it dies.
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I'm pretty sure when retailers have big Apple deals that Apple is somehow behind it, coordinating with them. Apple's margins for retailers would be pretty thin, I'd imagine, not enough to eat half the cost of an iPhone. I just did a cursory look at Verizon's page, and they don't have those types of deals anymore. The have ones like Apple's where you get a discount for trading in a phone, which isn't really a discount as much as it is trading/bartering.
Makes sense. It seems Apple isn't willing to share the deals with the retailers as readily now. I haven't seen any BOGO or get one free deals on the new phones since they came out.
I think it’s a combination of that, and iPhone market saturation from the battery replacement program. I feel people still under estimate the effect on slow sales. Apple replaced roughly 11 million batteries in 2018. iOS 12 runs just dandy for 75% of people on 6/7 series devices with new batteries. Then pile on all the new 8 series purchases and bingo. I’ll be using my 8+ until it dies.
Good explanation. And I agree with you. A lot of what you said is all compounding one thing after another for Apple, and then Chinese market as well showing stagnation. I really think Apple tried to test the market with these thousand dollar smart phone prices, and it’s not succeeding in the way they thought it would. It’s not to say these iPhones aren’t successful, because in a way they are, it’s just not consumer friendly prices, even with subsidized monthly carrier payments. 2019 will be a very interesting year.
To poor people, sure. But $1000 isn't much to everyone, so why is it a big deal if I use a small portion of my money on a phone I literally use every single day?
Live within your means is the message.
It is lost opportunity when you spend instead of invest - that applies to many non essential things. Money has to work for you!
Over time, the difference can be huge. It’s not about saving money in of itself, it’s about doing something with whatever money you have managed not to spend - it could be investing, or paying off a house, or maybe it truly is getting the latest tech. Knowledge of the latest iPhone tech turns into a career for many people actually. So if you need an excuse to have the coolest iPhone tech, maybe that’s a good way to rationalize it
All I’m really saying is that these retail price hiding games are aimed at people who probably shouldn’t be buying a new toy. If you really care about $120 off, or a 15% discount or a special plan to get you a new iPhone, well... to me it tells me that you probably shouldn’t get one! I’d be thinking that you maybe should take care of your future finances instead.
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I got my 6S+ in 2016 to replace my 4S for $400 through sprint and then a new 6S+ after Apple destroyed my original during the battery replacement last month. I can’t phatom trading in this phone and paying $750 for a new phone.
I don’t agree with at all but with the price. The XR takes excellent photos compared to 7 plus. It has amazing colour accuracy. If u already have a 8 plus don’t bother upgrading with for this years “XR”
It looks like Apple has increased the trade-in value for each model too. My iPhone 8 Plus was originally worth $350 but now it has increased to $370. I have a 6s Plus too and the value went up to $250 (from $150). I was considering trading in my 8 Plus before and get a XR for $33/month, but it was just not worth it. It looks like now Apple will give you the credit up front in stores so your monthly payment will be cut in half. Instead of paying $33/month and waiting for the trade-in credit, I get the credit right away and pay half the amount ($16/month) which isn't too bad. I'm still not pulling the trigger though .
Alex, your post is a bit mucked up. But I got the gist of what you're trying to say, and I agree. I think the mid-range phones getting better and better will take a slice out of the top crust of phones in the next few years. OEMs won't have much choice if no one will buy their expensive flagships. There is an upper amount people where people will simply stop purchasing unless they truly want, not need, the next new shiny phone.
Especially getting to point of incremental value and Apple piece mealing tech year over year. Not significant reasons really other than want overneedgoing from X to XS for example.I think it’s a combination of that, and iPhone market saturation from the battery replacement program. I feel people still under estimate the effect on slow sales. Apple replaced roughly 11 million batteries in 2018. iOS 12 runs just dandy for 75% of people on 6/7 series devices with new batteries. Then pile on all the new 8 series purchases and bingo. I’ll be using my 8+ until it dies.
Thanks to battery replacement, Wife and I are each keeping our iphone 7 until at least Sept. The XS is a wonderful phone but so is the 7. The only reason I have to upgrade would be a better camera.
As an AAPL shareholder I hate the battery replacement plan!
As an AAPL shareholder I hate the battery replacement plan!