A LARGE number of people threw away their old chargers and cables on the 12th. I think. Or, it appears that way. They’re posting from their computers now as their phones have been dead for well over 24 hours by now, but, by gum, they’re making a STATEMENT!
Production is only PART of the picture. For example, for you personally, an environmentally concerned person, you will likely recycle the eminently recyclable packaging that the charger comes in, performing the action Apple expects. Apple provides those face masks AND has procedures in place for the collection recycling of the packaging.
I get that majority of people don't care, won't recycle, etc. etc. but why in the name of "better for the enviornment" Apple simply doesn't use the masks (in many cases probably far more superior masks) manufactured by other companies like many here argue and defend with when it comes to chargers ... instead they "add" to the problem, but claim otherwise.
I guess this balances out. I have multiple adapters and headphones and I don't need to buy one. Sure if I want fast-charging at 20 watts I need to buy another adapter, magsafe charger or ipad 12 watt power brick.
Depends on how you are interpreting the definition what is being "touted". It's true the iphone 12 is superior to the iphone 11 for the same price. If you are subjectively including a box of items from the iphone 11 to a box of items to the iphone 12 I still do not think that equals out. The updates to the phone trump the loss of the adapter and headphones.
You might be one of the few (imo) who basically have the bare minimum. My anecdotal experience is that my circle has bricks/cables/headphones in more than excess. Those are the people Apple is targeting for an environmental win. Apple probably did it's homework and determined that people without spares, such as yourself, is far and few in-between and thus taking the approach they did, with headphones and adapters is a win-win.Yes, unbelievably I don't have a drawer full of USB cables, and headphones, they are recycled and I don't buy 10 spare ones polutting the environment with items that I will never use ... all those shouting from the rooftops about environment protection while sporting a drawer full of accessories that they will never use are part of the problem they're trying to defend/fight ... but who am I to tell others what they have in their drawers, and what to do with their unused items ... it only works the other way around
I somehow knew this would bring up the "better phone" for the same price and all that ... but isn't in every companys best interest to keep improving, to keep releasing better product, to stay competitive, r&d, etc. etc. Yes the phone is better, but it always has been "the best iPhone we've ever made" year after year with everything else included, now if I want to have "the best iPhone we've ever made" for the same price that simply doesn't apply ... now I would have to spend $40 extra to have, well ... the best phone we've ever made for the same price. It's not about being cheap, I already bought some chargers ... it's about the msg ... we're giving you better for the same, and while we're at it we're saving the environment - and that is not the case.
Your interpretation is the experience vs the product...fair enough. My interpretation is the product alone. However for the $40 additional dollars you get a 20w charger vs a 5w. So you can argue you are getting more for the $40.
I agree we can go on for quite some time here ... but if you were stating differences between product alone, I would also consider the means of charging the product as part of the product. Especially since Apple compared "better for the same" with iPhone 11 which in my case came with earbuds/cable/charger. Again it's all about the msg.
but packaging it separately and shipping out separately saves the environment? lol get real.
Better is true. A 20w charger is better than what came with the iphone 11.
I mean, again ONLY if a person's concern is "better for the environment", if Apple's solution is energy efficient (If they ship the masks as a part of shipping stock instead of a separate delivery) AND, once they're used safely to the extent that they should be, Apple's recycling those and making new ones from the materials of the used ones (or sterilizing them), a person who's concerned about the environment would prefer Apple's closed and controlled loop than one that includes an external company.
If they were going to send out 200 million of them separately, yes. However, as a result of the change, they're VERY likely to make and ship FAR fewer than 200 million. That's not my point, it's someone else's from elsewhere in the thread, I just thought it was a good one.
Somebody makes money on the usb-c connection through licensing fees. So I think this point is moot. I don’t see much benefit right now to usb-c on iPhones.
And if you did not have a USB-C brick before what do you do ? Or if you gave your phone to your son, and he needs a charger? What do you do ? There are way more scenarios that you will need to PURCHASE(key) something, in order to have a functioning device... Basically they are catering to people that had a USB-C charger already, and if you coming from any other iphone then 11 pm you wont have that charger... also if you sell, give or whatever with your old phone the next person will have to PURCHASE a charger... also going forward, when you done with this phone and sell it or w/e the next person will need a charger... again the impact might actually be worse to environment then including a proper charger for the job along with the device... earpods yes a waste, altho many people use it still to this day and new people coming pre 8 will still need to buy new headphones, but at least this does not interfere with your phone functionality or lack there of when you cant charge it out of the box with out PURCHASING or bring your own charger.. You can justify this as much as you want, but this is a terrible move and probably terrible for environment..
Because USB-C is only just NOW getting to the point where buying a cheap charger or cable won’t fry your device. At least with lightning, a customer that buys a “made for iOS” cable from a decent vendor is getting something that won’t destroy their device.
By artificially jacking up the price despite showing the "$30 off" price in the keynote?