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Apple Now Selling 20W USB-C Power Adapter for $19

Donnation said:
What will your defense be next year when they remove the port all together and tell us that we all have enough wireless chargers?
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The impact will be lower over time because Apple have now separated the phone from the charger.

1) Some will already have wireless chargers
2) Some will buy older models
3) Some will not buy at all
4) And those who will need to buy a wireless charger, will be able to use it with their future iPhones too

In the next 10 years Apple will ship upwards of 2 billion devices and I don't think that people will buy 2 billion chargers from Apple.
 
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hans1972 said:
The rational mind would then say is it worth it to buy the house for $500.1k and if it isn't don't buy the house.

I have no problem buying a new house without light bulbs as long as I know it beforehand.
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And yet it would still be a rather silly thing under most considerations.
 
Haziza said:
Ain't buying a new iPhone until i get a charger with it. As a iPhone 7+ i need a new charger.

Shame might look at other brands now and i have been a iPhone user from the beginning!
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Nothing would delight me more than you becoming an Android users.

But if you do get an iPhone in the future, don't use your existing charger and cable to charge it. If will of course work, but I think you deserve to buy a new one from Apple.
 
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hans1972 said:
By giving away something for free, more people will get it for free and thus impact the carbon footprint which Apple is concerned about.
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Okay, I got an alternative solution.
Offer $19 off to compensate the loss of the charger, as a good will gesture to show that they are indeed doing it PURELY for the environment and not greed.
 
B4U said:
Okay, I got an alternative solution.
Offer $19 off to compensate the loss of the charger, as a good will gesture to show that they are indeed doing it PURELY for the environment and not greed.
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They’re actually offering $30 off for the loss of the charger if you buy through AT&T and Verizon. T-Mobile and others didn’t agree to the same deal.
 
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B4U said:
Okay, I got an alternative solution.
Offer $19 off to compensate the loss of the charger, as a good will gesture to show that they are indeed doing it PURELY for the environment and not greed.
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That'll never ever happen, since the charger itself probably only costs them a dollar or so.

To everyday people, discounting the phone by $2 to offset the reduced cost isn't even noticable, but for apple who will sell 100 million of the things, that's $200 million bucks back in their pockets.
 
hans1972 said:
True but any USB-charger released in the last 20 years (and works according to the spec) will charge the new iPhones with a Lightning cable.
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Which you will need to purchase separately ? I mean ? So now you need to provide 2 things... eventually maybe the battery would not be included and you use your previous one ? Or purchase it ?maybe the screen ? Maybe we need not include a screen in the box ? Lets do this, you already have a phone for the last 20 years, why dont we sell you a box with new stickers and you bring the rest ? Oh lets do this, you keep the phone and we will sell you iOS and you bring your old phone, everyone has a phone!!!
 
What else is funny, is you guys acting like chargers do not break, cables do not break, your current USB-C charger will last forever and never ever will go bad.. come on.. eventually you will buy a charger... or it will have to come from somewhere?!?! and benifits to the environment will be minimal if any, if not make it actually worse, since now 3rd party operations(I can hear it now) are ramping up production of bricks, adapters and cables... and apple own operations for charger probably did not shrink to produce out of the box chargers, also add in extra packaging, delivery, handling, sales, even receipts and prints on sales you are probably over what it would be if you at least provide a decent way of doing something pretty basic on a SMARTPHONE in a first place.
 
frownface said:
That'll never ever happen, since the charger itself probably only costs them a dollar or so.

To everyday people, discounting the phone by $2 to offset the reduced cost isn't even noticable, but for apple who will sell 100 million of the things, that's $200 million bucks back in their pockets.
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Which is exactly what we called out Apple's BS for saying they are doing that simply for the environment.
Greed definitely played a part of that decision.

Unregistered 4U said:
They’re actually offering $30 off for the loss of the charger if you buy through AT&T and Verizon. T-Mobile and others didn’t agree to the same deal.
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I don't see how is that related.
But, okay.
 
I would imagine the companies that make wireless chargers or USB-C plugs will be happy about this. If you are selling your old iPhone, chances are you’re selling it with a charger in the box. Are you going to pay £19 for Apples plug or buy a cheaper version on Amazon or a wireless charger for less? I think well all know the vast majority aren’t going to purchase the OEM option.

Personally I think this strategy was nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with driving sales towards another offered product. They tried a similar thing with AirPods.
 
dgdosen said:
So the irony is - your USB A chargers are plentiful and Apple doesn't see a need to include one in the box, but we'll obsolete them by shipping you a cable that requires a USB C charger.
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The new cable obsoletes nothing. You can still use the USB A chargers.

You also don't have to use the new cable. You didn't have to use the headphones or the included charger either and millions of people didn't. Apple is aware that many people didn't use the included 5W charger and that a marketplace full of third-party chargers sprang up. Apple knows that fast chargers cause heat problems reducing battery lifespans, but left it up to the customers.
 
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But I have to say: Apple has mishandled this something awful. The word around the forum is that the 5G modem in the iPhone 12 models cost Apple around US$100 ($141 Australian). This is an enormous new cost. So why did Apple not come clean about trying to reduce costs to keep the prices stable? Vouchers are a tiny cost for Apple and would have sent the message that Apple sympathizes with customers. Edit: Also, the Lightning to USB-C cable should not have been chosen outside the EU if Apple sympathizes with customers either.
 
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Braderunner said:
You keep repeating the same thing. Everything moves forward. Apple claims that people have chargers laying around everywhere. Which is true. However, those are the old 5w chargers. They only started putting USB-C chargers with the iPhone Pros last year. Those who bought a Pro last year, will have an extra charger if they trade it in for a new iPhone. There are A LOT of people who didn't buy a Pro last year. So, where are all these USB-C chargers that you, and Apple claim most people have lying around? What would they be left from? I have only had iPhones since the 3G. I've upgraded almost every year. I've had several iPads. On my 4th Apple TV, 4th Apple Watch, 2nd iMac. I have one USB-C charger. That is for my iPad Pro, that I still have. So I need that one for my iPad. I will buy another iPhone. And the MagSafe charger. But, after all that...the fact that I will have to buy a charging adapter...is ridiculous. Yes, I can afford it. For once, it is about the point. I am extremely loyal to Apple. Now, they are taking advantage of people like me. They know I'll buy one. But, their bit about "the environment" is untrue. They know that a lot of people will need one of these chargers, because the piles of old 5w chargers are useless. It's just greed. Plain and simple. They could at least be honest. They are being disloyal to their customers.
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If I am repeating myself its because people like you keep repeating the mantra about how wrong apple is for doing this, how you don't already have an appropriate charger. Okay. Pony up and buy one. Because regardless of whether you need it now, or tomorrow, you will need it. Apple is actually late to this party, many other devices are already USB-C. But you seem to like the cheap end of things. My iPad Pro, USB-C. My MacBook Pro, USB-C. My 6th Apple Watch sits on a charger with USB-C. And the is the point. Sooner or later you will need this. But you won't need the second one, the third one, the fourth one that will come down the line as you buy other things.

You are over reacting. Sure they save some money. But they factor that into the cost of the device. If you dont like the price. Don't buy it.
 
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yozh said:
Which you will need to purchase separately ?
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No, you use an existing USB charger. They don't have to come from Apple or be related to the iPhone in any way. Are you telling me that you have zero USB charger? How do you charge your phone now? Use that charger.

But even if you buy a new USB-C charger you can use it for 10 years. That's one charger and maybe 3-4 phones, reducing the number of chargers produced by 1-3.
 
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MartyvH said:
The new cable obsoletes nothing. You can still use the USB A chargers.

You also don't have to use the new cable. You didn't have to use the headphones or the included charger either and millions of people didn't. Apple is aware that many people didn't use the included 5W charger and that a marketplace full of third-party chargers sprang up. Apple knows that fast chargers cause heat problems reducing battery lifespans, but left it up to the customers.
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It does sort of go against their reasoning for not including other items like plugs and EarPods when this new cable will effectively be waste for a significant percentage of those receiving it with their new iPhone.
 
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mi7chy said:
If Apple sold cars they'd sell you new a car without tires because it's more eco friendly plus you can just reuse tires from the old car.
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I hear this argument quite a bit but it's extremely flawed. Even if you count the adapter as a "wheel/rim"

1. Most people who don't live in the frozen parts have one set of wheels for their car. Most people have at least two charging adapters and many have way more than that.

2. Wheels aren't something that you drive the car without. Okay Bill I'm heading into work as soon as I get these wheels off.

3. The wheels from your 2014 car likely won't fit the 2021 model. Of course I'm sure exceptions to this exist.

4. Since wheels stay attached to your car they affect how it looks. Most people don't carry their phones with the charging adapter dangling below.

5. I could probably go on but you get the point...
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
It does sort of go against their reasoning for not including other items like plugs and EarPods when this new cable will effectively be waste for a significant percentage of those receiving it with their new iPhone.
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I agree with this. Perhaps it is just a transition till they completely remove it but IDK. I hope next years model just includes the phone.
 
hans1972 said:
But even if you buy a new USB-C charger you can use it for 10 years. That's one charger and maybe 3-4 phones, reducing the number of chargers produced by 1-3.
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And that's the big thing here.

Everyone is quick to dismiss Apple's environmental claims... but here's the thing:

If Apple sells 200 million iPhones in a year... that's 200 million little chargers they have to produce... and 200 million stupid earbuds they have to produce too.

Whether you want them or not!!!

That's ridiculous. And wasteful. And that's the waste Apple is eliminating. If they don't have to produce 200 million chargers and 200 million earbuds... that's a good thing.

But wait... won't people be forced to buy these accessories from some other company then? Thus creating production of these items anyway?

Not really.

Most people already have some way to charge a phone today. Probably multiple ways. Existing iPhones users already have a charger with a Lightning cable that they charge their existing iPhone with today. And that's how they'll charge their new iPhone 12 tomorrow.

If you want to buy an extra charger... or to replace a broken charger... or if you want a charger with multiple ports... you can buy one from someone else. Those are being produced anyway from companies like Anker, Aukey, Belkin, etc.

You going out and seeking the exact charger you want is better than Apple needlessly producing chargers you don't want.
 
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G5isAlive said:
If I am repeating myself its because people like you keep repeating the mantra about how wrong apple is for doing this, how you don't already have an appropriate charger. Okay. Pony up and buy one. Because regardless of whether you need it now, or tomorrow, you will need it. Apple is actually late to this party, many other devices are already USB-C. But you seem to like the cheap end of things. My iPad Pro, USB-C. My MacBook Pro, USB-C. My 6th Apple Watch sits on a charger with USB-C. And the is the point. Sooner or later you will need this. But you won't need the second one, the third one, the fourth one that will come down the line as you buy other things.

You are over reacting. Sure they save some money. But they factor that into the cost of the device. If you dont like the price. Don't buy it.
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You keep saying the same thing, and I'll keep saying the same thing. Yes...people have a lot of iPhone chargers. They aren't USB-C. The issue that I have, is Apple repeating (like you) the "extra chargers laying around" bit. Yes. I have piles of those 5w chargers. They are irrelevant. Those won't work with the cable that comes with the phone. Apple should have started putting USB-C chargers in the box a couple of years ago...at least. THE bottom line is: Apple's statement is bull. They should just say, "People can buy their own chargers, then they won't have more than they need". Not imply that they don't need more chargers.
Your opinion is yours. You...are over reacting. The fact that you feel the need to "correct" me. Hilarious! And, that you think you know what I do, and don't understand. Ha! That you think I care about your charging situation. I couldn't care less about you.
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
There was talk about the entire smartphone industry moving to USB-C but that is the port on the bottom of the phone I believe. It seems an odd addition even if it is for the short term IMO.
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I don't see Apple going to USB-C unless they are forced to by some government. For the iPhone there really isn't a benefit and a huge problem to the people with millions of Lightning cables and accessories. I still remember when they went from 30 pin to Lightning cable
 
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