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The physical button of the iPhone has constantly been a point of failure, to the point that in Far Eastern countries often it isn't used at all to preserve the resale value (they use Accessibility features instead).

That's interesting. I was wondering this for a long time as I've looked at several Asian customers phones and many of them, specially ladies had the Assestive Touch feature enabled despite the Home-Button being functional. I asked but couldn't get a clear answer. Preserving resale value didn't even occurs to me. Cheers.
 
It is not a mechanical button so it depends more on software than hardware to work and Apple is not that good with software, patches will be released until they make it slower with the next iOS version so iPhone 8 will be their fastest iPhone yet (again).
 
Two things, it's barely one month since the device was released and there is a problem, one customer's experience here could represent hundreds around the world.

Every new release of every technical appliance ever has had a batch of DOAs. iPhone 7 isn't better or worse in that regard. Expecting thousands of faulty devices because ten tweeted about it is hyperbole.
 
You know how many iPhone 7's have been sold, right? Millions. If only one of 1 million iPhones has this problem it means 0.0001 %. But yeah this iPhone is such an experimental device. Please stop posting this nonsense.
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Then don't post such arguments if you don't know nothing. iPhone's old physical Home Button is the part that has to be repaired the most.

It's likely far more than 1 in a million.. that's a Samsung Note 7 BS argument you're pulling there... I'd be a bit more logical before being so snippy and insulting... you're showing your ignorance and lack of decency (and I think I can guess who you're voting for)
 
Funny, I don't want my $1000 state of the art pocket computer with beautiful industrial design engineered to fractions of a millimetre destroyed by dropping it once because it's far more fragile than a new born baby.

Not sure how I would feel about that drop test comparison on youtube..
 
No this isn't about which type of button someone prefers, I was asking you to come forward because one of my roomies is a hardware engineer who designs items like hardware controls and he laughed at your contention that the failure rate of software controls is greater than the failure rate with mechanical buttons.
*chuckles* Since he has a "roomie" I can only assume he's young and/or inexperienced, or perhaps simply not very good, as the only engineer I know who has ever had to share accommodations (With someone other than a mate) was when he was still going to school; the rest can afford their own homes or apartments. I too, fortunately, have my own home but sadly that means I do not have the benefit of asking a "roomie" for help. :-( Luckily, I don't need one to make an appeal to authority, but that's not a very good argument in any case. I could, for instance, list credentials or post my CV but (1) I value my privacy, (2) it really wouldn't advance my case and (3) it could all be made up. :-\
Since he must be laughably wrong, and you obviously have important information unknown to him and the engineers at Apple, and the entire tech industry, you could be doing a tremendous service to the entire industry by enlightening them about their misunderstanding of this key aspect to their industry.
As I wrote, anybody who's been around for more than few years in tech can regale you with countless tales of software muck-ups, and I'm willing to bet these number far, far more than any hardware failures they've experienced. Even Millennials (presumably such as yourself and your engineer "roomie") will likely be able to count far more issues with each software update they're endured than the number of times they've had some piece of hardware fail. (Dropping their iPhone to the ground doesn't count.)
You could correct, for example, Fujitsu, the 4th largest IT services company in the world and a major computer products manufacture falsely claimed in an industry white paper (that I found in a 30 second Google search that produced countless misinformed articles) they authored on the benefits of software versus mechanical controls that I :
White papers. Now I am laughing out loud. You must really be young to believe that most white papers are worth more than the paper they're printed. Er, or e-ink they're displayed on. ;-) When you get to be around a bit longer you may come to the realization that many white papers are written simply to push agendas, whether from the authors' own bias or something hoisted upon them by managers, et al. White papers--especially in tech--are not scientific arguments but more like proposals. They are also sometimes written to justify a decision that was taken, and not exactly models of scrupilously unbiased quests for Truth. Now before you get all huffy I'm not saying all white papers are garbage or outright lies, but you probably shouldn't accept them as Holy Writ, even (or especially) those written by governments. ;-)
  1. Durability: Touch elements do not contain moving parts like mechanical input devices. Thus no wearing out of these parts.

  2. Robust housing design: It is easier to design devices for rough environments. Compared to conventional solutions, no holes or other openings are necessary where humidity and dust could enter the device
*sigh* I am not arguing that hardware buttons are not subject to failure.
Please get the truth out and save the industry from this fateful path they are on!
You seem to have a lot of faith in the industry, but I'm sorry to have to tell you it f_cks up all the time, makes u-turns and veers off course with alarming frequency. The cemetery of old tech has a long, winding trail of dead-ends and glorious failures.

This will be my last post to you in this thread because, quite frankly, neither one of us is going to convince the other, so go ahead and get the last word in. :)
 
Never heard that. Why would people in the Far East be more sensitive to preserving their home buttons than in the West?

Maybe because when you spend 2 months of your salary on a device, you have a completely different apreciation of it than when it only costs you 2 weeks of income. And I'm not talking about the far east, I'm talking of my 3rd world country in North America.

I personally hate the "software home button" about 7 out of every 10 iphone users in México have, it is always getting in the way! (I mean, when someone requests help, it is always getting in my way). I started seeing it about 2-3 years ago in people whose home buttons had broken and couldn't afford getting them repaired. From there it expanded to every budget-conscious person afraid to broke their home buttons as a "preventive" measure. Now, almost everyone uses it (and by almost, I mean from 60-80% of the iphone users, mainly with old models)
 
It's good to have a fallback, but the aim is to never need a fallback. Why is a device so new already popping up such errors? iPhone 7 is truly an experimental device release. Looking forward to 2017's all new device.
Sooo you would rather not have a fallback? No product has a 0% defect rate.
You are calling the iPhone 7 an experimental device release but yet you say you are looking forward to the ALL NEW device for 2017. Do you hear yourself? doesn't all new sound more experimental than the iPhone 7. (eyeroll)
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Except Apple has the ability to release bug fixes very quickly. The car companies do not have this ability.
Tesla...No buttons, ability to upgrade bugs quickly.
 
Just wanted to update everyone on my iPhone; I am the OP from the story.
As of the next morning my iPhone has for now returned to working as normal. I cancelled my Genius Bar appointment as I didn't want to deal with the craziness that is the Apple Store. The iPhone has not malfunctioned since that day; I'll continue to pay close attention to the taptic engine/home "button".

Thanks for the updates buddy.
Just following the thread to read them.
Meanwhile. Fanboys and haters will ignore you and keep arguing forever :)
 
Your iPads having a physical home button has nothing to do with what this article is about. The iPhone 7 does not have a physical home button and uses a Taptic Engine to simulate the feedback of s button press. Besides the iPads do not have a Taptic Engine yet which is what the article is directly addessing.
What was the point of your post? Because Sorry chief, my post is just as valid as anyone else's here, (and actually fits within the subject.) I am stating that having a more software based home button is a problem compared to having the classic home button. Quote: "Apple has also apparently safeguarded against instances when the button's haptic sensor system breaks completely, but whether or not its failure rate is any better than a physical button remains to be seen."
I am merely saying I THINK the traditional one is perhaps still the one to choose, as the quote above from the article states that the software one may not be better than hardware one.
Also the new home button is still mechanical considering it's directly connected to and uses the haptic engine to simulate movement.
*Question: What do you think Apple will do to "fix" the problem when taken to their stores?
*Answer: They will be checking if it's a software glitch, but also... they will check to see if the haptic engine has broken, (again, the haptic engine is indeed a mechanical part.)
**For something to be broken it must be a physical object/ machine that stops working, if a phone or electronic device won't function due to software, it's called "a glitch" or "software failure."
Cheers. :)


Kallum.
 
"If the home button fails" - after 1 month? Seriously? WTF Apple.
Seems like building in proactive features is a positive thing and doesn't have any implications of something actually happening at a particular timeframe.
 
What was the point of your post? Because Sorry chief, my post is just as valid as anyone else's here, (and actually fits within the subject.) I am stating that having a more software based home button is a problem compared to having the classic home button. Quote: "Apple has also apparently safeguarded against instances when the button's haptic sensor system breaks completely, but whether or not its failure rate is any better than a physical button remains to be seen."
I am merely saying I THINK the traditional one is perhaps still the one to choose, as the quote above from the article states that the software one may not be better than hardware one.
Also the new home button is still mechanical considering it's directly connected to and uses the haptic engine to simulate movement.
*Question: What do you think Apple will do to "fix" the problem when taken to their stores?
*Answer: They will be checking if it's a software glitch, but also... they will check to see if the haptic engine has broken, (again, the haptic engine is indeed a mechanical part.)
**For something to be broken it must be a physical object/ machine that stops working, if a phone or electronic device won't function due to software, it's called "a glitch" or "software failure."
Cheers. :)


Kallum.

And what does any of that have to do with a iPad. Read your first post again.
 
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And what does any of that have to do with a iPad. Read your first post again.

And what does any of that have to do with a iPad. Read your first post again.

I knew this would be a problem. It's the main reason I didn't update to iOS 10 on my iPads. I kind of want them to keep the classic home button for the iPads, as they are my work machines and I can't afford a home button issues.

Kallum.

I am unsure if you are nitpicking at my post or trolling, (I hate throwing around that word, really I do.)
The connection between my iPad comment and this topic is:
Me: "I knew this would be a problem." and Me: "I kind of want them to keep the classic home button for the iPads, as they are my work machines and I can't afford home button issues." (LIKE the problems this topic brought up,) the issues are something I DON'T WANT them to bring over to the iPads.... Now, do you understand my original post?
*Just to be sure, lets recap: 1.) I mentioned the haptic home button issue. 2.) I then mentioned how I prefer the old home button because of the problems with the new one.
Boom! Simple and easy to understand, yeah?
How on earth would my comment NOT be in line with this topic? I guess since you seem to be the grand poobah of MR forums, I should make sure all my future posts align with yours. lol



K.
 
I am unsure if you are nitpicking at my post or trolling, (I hate throwing around that word, really I do.)
The connection between my iPad comment and this topic is:
Me: "I knew this would be a problem." and Me: "I kind of want them to keep the classic home button for the iPads, as they are my work machines and I can't afford home button issues." (LIKE the problems this topic brought up,) the issues are something I DON'T WANT them to bring over to the iPads.... Now, do you understand my original post?
*Just to be sure, lets recap: 1.) I mentioned the haptic home button issue. 2.) I then mentioned how I prefer the old home button because of the problems with the new one.
Boom! Simple and easy to understand, yeah?
How on earth would my comment NOT be in line with this topic? I guess since you seem to be the grand poobah of MR forums, I should make sure all my future posts align with yours. lol



K.
None of this implies that there would be problems or more or less of them or anything else whether the new home button or the old one is in question.
 
None of this implies that there would be problems or more or less of them or anything else whether the new home button or the old one is in question.
I admit I went too far on a tangent... My original intent was to acknowledge what MR.com reported about the newer home button, and then just add how I hope they leave it off the iPads, (as I feel a software based home button is a bad move.) Now, I am unsure about your post. The way you phrased your comment has me unsure of what you think I was or wasn't saying or implying. lol... BTW not trying to bash you. I am trying to understand what you are trying to say, but maybe now I AM completely missing what you are saying. Ha ha. ;)

Also, my apologies to Taz Mangus for my acting overly aggressive and condescending towards you in my post. Seriously my apologies mate. :)
 
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