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What made Apple great (the user experience) simply isn't there anymore. That's what Apple needs to focus on fixing. And they can't fix it properly unless they sell an entire Apple Ecosystem.
I get what you are saying, but again, I just don't see an Apple-branded router as being an integral part of the overall ecosystem.

I am using an Asus router which came bundled with my home internet plan. Setup was a breeze. I just log in to the webpage (which admittedly looks like crap), change my login credentials and a bunch of other stuff, and I am done and never need to log in every again. I am not seeing what the big fuss is all about.

I honestly don't feel like I have lost out on anything by not using an Airport Extreme. That's what Apple likely realises as well. There's really little way of them meaningfully differentiating said product relative to the rest of the competition. There is just no place for the airport extreme in this new world order.
 
So for every user here who feels slighted at Apple supposedly having neglected the Mac, there are easily many other users who have genuinely benefited from Apple's new product direction. I am one of them.
You seriously think a $900B company can't innovate on both the iOS side and Mac side simultaneously while pulling in revenue on both? Of course they can, but it takes the right management decisions; and that seems to be the main thing Apple lacks.

Furthermore, it seems to me that Apple is relying on a few core product lines (mainly the iPhone) way too heavily. If smartphone and tablet sales take a plunge, so does Apple's revenue. And it has already been shown that smartphone sales are on the decline due to market saturation...
 
Bought a 2GB Time Capsule on sale yesterday for $275. I was waiting to upgrade my Time Capsule from 2009 when Apple updated the lineup, but clearly that's not happening now. Going to move the old one to a different part of the house and connect them with ethernet and create a roaming network.
 
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Yes - you are missing out on spending $$$ on the latest marketing hype to make you unhappy / worried about your current configuration - mesh smesh - our two AEBS cover our 3,000 square foot home and yard with excellent speed.

I've got close to 5,000 square feet and the 3 AEBS units seem to do the job quite nicely. My iPhone and MacBook will switch between base stations pretty quickly and we have CenturyLink Fiber at my address so my iPhone gets 400+ Mbps over WiFi on SpeedTest.net while my MacBook will get 750+ Mbps on WiFi -- the wired iMac gets 950+ Mbps. Slowest things on my network seem to be the AppleTV Gen 4 units I have since their wired interface is limited to 100Mbps and I have preferred the reliability of the wired interface when streaming video -- hard to upgrade to AppleTV 4K when I don't have a 4K TV just to get the gigabit interface.

If you have your home wired for gigabit internet it will still be slightly faster than a mesh network, but the mesh networks can get pretty close. So if your home isn't wired, it is no longer worth the cost to wire it up as that will always be more expensive than mesh routers.

It was a bit costly and time consuming to undertake wiring the house for ethernet myself 9 years ago -- before mesh existed. I think I spent $300 on materials and wiring. But I am glad I did it. I had to run the Cat-6 to the attic of my two-story home and then down conduit bolted to the sides of the house and in one place I had to punch a hole in the ceiling to thread the wire to an interior wall. Ultimately the wire drops down from the attic behind a bathroom medicine cabinet (which I removed to get access to the interior of the wall and then reinstalled) and finally punches out to my loft where I have a switch. The only thing I wish now is that they had Cat-7 wire back then because Cat-6 won't do 10-Gigabit over long distances and I am not sure if my runs are too long for 10-Gigabit ethernet (since Apple has now started going to 10-Gigabit with iMac Pro -- won't take long for the rest of the Mac lineup to get there).

Nope in fact your setup is better than mesh IMHO. Your setup will be faster ultimately thanks to the wired backbone. Best approach is still wired backbone with multiple access points. Mesh is really for situations you cant setup a wired backbone.

I appreciate the response. I've been able to use my investment in the wired backbone with 2 sets of 3 x AEBS over the years (the flat rectangles and the tower version now). So I think I have gotten my money's worth -- especially since I don't have to reinvest in mesh routing. I am guessing these mesh routers support being wired together as well, so one day I will be replacing AEBS with something else.
 
That's nonsense. Synology has supported Time Machine flawlessly for years. It's not going to suddenly stop working.
Just because it's been working doesn't mean it's supported. This is all that Apple guarantees, i.e. not very much about 3rd party stuff: https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25585?locale=en_US . There's no open standard, and it can change. For one, it changed from AFP-only to SMB-only. Some Synology users had issues with the High Sierra transition.

Had the same conversation with a guy complaining his TB2 eGPU broke with macOS 10.13.4. He was using a widely used box sold by a company that had worked for years. Took a look, and turns out Apple didn't support that in any official way, rather it was by accident.
 
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also, it could very well be that just as apple dropped the parallel interface for printing, and dropped the floppy drive, and dropped the CD drive, etc, it could be that the next thing is really a SIM connected MacBook that doesn't need WiFi.
more and more directly connected devices to an ISP is a reality. maybe apple will do the unthinkable again and drop WiFi out of MacBooks.
incredible as it might seem to people reading this, when it dropped the parallel interface and the CD drive etc it was just as unthinkable at the time.

think different.

So Apple's vision according to you is for people to pay hundreds of dollars a month to their wireless ISP? That also doesn't solve transferring files among your own devices. Sorry, but Apple isn't dropping an important and ubiquitous standard that doesn't even have a replacement. Parallel ports and disk drives all had things that were superseding them when Apple dropped them. Not so with wi-fi. Not to mention that wi-fi is critical for HomeKit and HomePod.
 
I remember when I was switching over to cable provider WOW! that the technicians that were installing my cable asked me if I wanted to use Apple Router Wi-Fi or the built-in cable box's wifi. I said whatever one you think is best. The cable guys both said at once saying Apple and said Apple was very good. I have had WOW! and I haven't had any problems at all (I hope I didn't jinx myself :D) and I have had it for about 2 years now. These guys were good for they had my whole cable installed in about a 1/2 hour.
 
I have a number of Extremes and TCs. I have found them to be the best product ( most reliable - never caused me any problems whatsoever) produced by Apple. I had been waiting for a new model, but today I bought a new TC ( long story), interestingly it was manufactured October 2017, so it would seem at whatever volume they were producing these units, they were selling at a similar rate ( the other year I bought a new iPhone that was manufactured 10 months previously).
 
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Apple should sell of the Computer and macOS side of its business to a dedicated new company that will actually stick with and develop top of the range computing.

Apple could then be Apple-Tel a phone and tablet manufacturer with Apple-Soft Music and movie streaming services.

And don't forget more subscription services. I think you probably just revealed Tim Cook's vision for Apple.
 
The Airport Express is a great little unit that Apple management had no idea how to appreciate it. It is small, power efficient, good wifi range, no power brick, nice design, with airplay, 3.5mm audio jack, secure, with easy app management, and totally reliable for me for years. It was something I could recommend to people. Apple has now thrown their engineering talent way. What a waste.
 
You seriously think a $900B company can't innovate on both the iOS side and Mac side simultaneously while pulling in revenue on both? Of course they can, but it takes the right management decisions; and that seems to be the main thing Apple lacks.
Apple likely can.

Whether they should continue to invest as much resources into macOS as the posters here would like them to is another matter altogether, and certainly open to debate, blasphemous as challenging this notion might sound.

The chief reason for the Mac to exist these days is really to create iOS apps. And in that regard, you don’t really need a ton of laptops. 1 laptop, 1 imac, 1 Mac Pro.

The way I see it, the Mac now exists in its own little bubble with little way of pushing it forward. In contrast, products like the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, Apple TV, even the HomePod and the rumoured AR glasses have way more in common with one another, from common apps to a common interface to just being a more cohesive experience overall.

No wonder Apple seems more passionate about iOS over macOS these days. The Mac is the past and iOS is the future.

Furthermore, it seems to me that Apple is relying on a few core product lines (mainly the iPhone) way too heavily. If smartphone and tablet sales take a plunge, so does Apple's revenue. And it has already been shown that smartphone sales are on the decline due to market saturation...

Hence positioning Apple Watch as the successor to the iPhone. Apple is practically taking a page out of the iPod playbook here. Just wait for it to gain full independence from the iPhone and you have increased your target market to include the android market as well.
 
This is a remarkable bit of honesty from Apple, and damning. To what, 'sharpen' its focus on the fall lineup of new watchbands? Last time I checked Apple was a computer company, not some 'consumer products' outfit searching for the next big thing.

I've said this before and will again, that for a company all the more reliant on wi-fi—which will not even sell you the OS on disc, but make you download it—it is beyond irresponsible to forsake one of the key links of such a system within a home.

This is a security issue among other things. Apple is suggesting that aside from being careful what you do online at such places at Starbucks, you do no less at home. Good luck securing the right equipment from some vendor—hoping it works well enough, with no backdoors, etc.—Apple is happy to leave this to you.

While on the topic of security I'll mention again the seeming radio silence from Mr. Cook on the matter of iOS vulnerability due Grayshift hacking. Apple's insistence on its concern for our privacy is wearing rather thin in places.

Apple had better decide what it wants to be. It was a stellar computer company; that is what Mr. Jobs bequeathed Mr. Cook. That legacy is now badly tarnished under heaps of glue, missing ports, bad software, and a disregard for the professional community that once kept Apple alive and off the rocks of bankruptcy. If Mr. Cook wishes to dismiss this in favor of consumer products then a good many of us who favored and relied upon Apple for its innovation and attention to excellence will have no choice but to look elsewhere, to less desirable options—as that we once loved is dead.

Mr. Cook may wish to reconsider however, for fashion is fickle. Presently unassailable due the riches of Apple, these were extracted from the legacy of Mr. Jobs and those that supported his vision. Your own stewardship and what it has wrought is coming plainly into focus now, and far from a certain matter how long consumers will like you versus another little different, Apple's riches will last, or the Board consider you as expendable as you an AirPort Wireless Router.

Yes. Its a pity Tim Cook can't read this himself. I guess he has no time as he is basking in Wall Street glory and posing for the cameras. I wonder how many talented engineers who had developed those products and technologies have now left since Tim Cook been CEO.
 
STUPID MOVE! When this a wireless router is a important device to have in every home they rather ditch it and worry about pointless driverless cars.


So now what happens to AirPlay 2 since no more support for Airports does this mean Airport owners will not get the update for AirPlay 2?
 
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Imma miss this. I never got to buy one of Apple's AirPort products. And I'm sad I won't be able to try one in the future unless I get it pre-owned.
 
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The chief reason for the Mac to exist these days is really to create iOS apps.
Macs still do a lot of tasks better than iOS devices: file management, web development, photo / video editing and rendering, servers, the list goes on. Believe it or not, some people even prefer a 27" iMac screen over a 12" iPad screen for content consumption.

Between my Macs and iPhone, my iPad Air 2 sees very little use, and I doubt having an iPad Pro in its place would make any difference. This is because it doesn't do anything* my Macs and iPhone do better - portability / convenience (iPhone does it better) or more demanding apps (Mac does it better). Trying to mash the two together results in a device that is unable to truly exceed either one in capability, and though it may suffice for some people such as yourself who just need a basic web browser or word processing app, it certainly doesn't work for everyone.

*The Apple Pencil may be the one thing iPad Pro does better than both Mac and iPhone, but if Apple decides to bring that functionality over to Mac or iPhone rather than keeping it exclusive to iPad, I definitely look forward to trying it sometime in the future.
 
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Macs still do a lot of tasks better than iOS devices: file management, web development, photo / video editing and rendering, servers, the list goes on. Believe it or not, some people even prefer a 27" iMac screen over a 12" iPad screen for content consumption.
I have a similar setup. A 27” iMac for the grunt work and preparing my work-related material which allows my iPad to shine at work.

And that’s precisely my point (and perhaps I wasn’t being clear enough on that). The Mac is being relegated to the status of a truck, and you don’t need a dozen different permutations for that.

Between my Macs and iPhone, my iPad Air 2 sees very little use, and I doubt having an iPad Pro in its place would make any difference. This is because it doesn't do anything* my Macs and iPhone do better - portability / convenience (iPhone does it better) or more demanding apps (Mac does it better). Trying to mash the two together results in a device that is unable to truly exceed either one in capability, and though it may suffice for some people such as yourself who just need a basic web browser or word processing app, it certainly doesn't work for everyone.

I am the opposite here. I get a fair amount of work done on my iPad. For example, I used to send weekly lesson plan updates to a group of teachers very weekend from my Mac (and had a pretty decent workflow going which involving group contacts, copied, mail, and finder tags). Then I managed to migrate this workflow over to my iPad, using split-screen, drag and drop, workflow, copied, and the files apps. And I find it so much more convenient to reach for my iPad while I am on my couch to get this done, than walk over to my study room to switch on my imac.

The iPad definitely has its unique place for me.
 
I have a similar setup. A 27” iMac for the grunt work and preparing my work-related material which allows my iPad to shine at work.

And that’s precisely my point (and perhaps I wasn’t being clear enough on that). The Mac is being relegated to the status of a truck, and you don’t need a dozen different permutations for that.
So I hope you understand my point that iOS devices aren't necessarily the future, and Apple needs to keep innovation going on the Mac. During the last three years I have seen the iMac Pro to be the one shining example of true innovation on the Mac platform, among a crazy amount of neglect: the use of antiquated 5400 RPM drives in brand new iMacs, a MacBook Pro with a higher price tag + fewer ports + a seriously flawed keyboard, no longer offering Apple-branded standalone displays, a Mac Pro from 2013 being sold as a current model in 2018, a Mac mini from 2014 being sold as a current model in 2018, dozens of features dropped to make MacOS Server almost useless, and finally the discontinuation of the AirPort Time Capsule.

Edit: and peoples' setups do vary, depending on their use case and how much they're willing to spend. For example, the Mac mini used to be a good choice over an iMac for someone wanting a low-cost desktop that can be connected to a display of their choosing, or a HTPC, or a server, or someone who simply can't afford an iMac. I say used to be, because due to the afformemtioned neglect, the current model is from 2014, and MacOS Server is now almost useless.
 
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Hence positioning Apple Watch as the successor to the iPhone. Apple is practically taking a page out of the iPod playbook here. Just wait for it to gain full independence from the iPhone and you have increased your target market to include the android market as well.

Have fun browsing the internet on an Apple Watch. Or doing any other meaningful task.


Apple’s Timmy is learning from Ford, don’t upgrade your product (cars for Ford) for 5 years, claim crappy sales and then discontinue.

Yup. Make a compelling product and people might actually buy it. Speaking of, where is Ford’s answer to the Dodge Charger, or Mercedes’, BMW’s, etc, high-horsepower sedans. Don’t even get me started on Chevy’s car lineup.
 
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Have fun browsing the internet on an Apple Watch. Or doing any other meaningful task.

Do you really need to be able to browse the internet or check your email while going to the nearby grocery store?

Already, the Apple Watch is capable of health tracking, music playback, Apple Pay, maps, calls and messaging when you are not being tethered to your phone. I see Apple continuing to export more functionality from the iPhone to the Apple Watch where it makes sense. The watch won’t be able to replicate the full functionality of the iPhone any time (and it may well never will), but it just might be able to take on enough features that users will be comfortable leaving their phones at home and going out on short jaunts with only their watch in tow.

After all, just look at what the first generation iPhone was capable of, vs what it can do now.
 
Yup. Make a compelling product and people might actually buy it. Speaking of, where is Ford’s answer to the Dodge Charger, or Mercedes’, BMW’s, etc, high-horsepower sedans. Don’t even get me started on Chevy’s car lineup.

Ford is just running their business like Apple and cutting products that don’t return a good ROI (return on investment). Traditional passenger cars are just not as popular as they used to be and instead of buying high trim level cars people are moving up to CUVs, SUVs, and trucks. It’s a problem even Honda and Toyota have right now. When that happens the product mix gets messed up and sedan buyers start buying on price not content. With that said, I’m thrilled the Ranger is coming back as a “Colorado” sized truck and I’m ready to purchase one right after they are introduced.

Ford lives on the F-Series much like Apple lives on the iPhone and to a lesser extent all lifestyle and iProducts. I doubt at this point Apple could ever get much ROI on an all new line of Airports in a very saturated WiFi router market. ROI is also the reason we see little innovation when it comes to iPod, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, Apple TV, etc. Apple is following the money and investing in the products with amazing ROI. Their shareholders expect this and it’s why they are very successful.
 
One of the biggest lessons companies need to learn is that just because a product doesn’t bring in the big bucks doesn’t mean that it’s not important to your business. Products build upon each other and bring in new customers. If you start getting rid of every product that doesn’t get you top dollar eventually not only will your product line shrink but at the same time you'll start shrinking your customer base. To destroy your ecosystem is to commit corporate suicide. Its a concept that companies just don’t seem to be able to grasp.
 
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