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[Altis]

But what you think doesn't mean it's reality either.

The measure is consumers voting with their wallets. People in general clearly love the products, period.

Objectively, you can't pump out junk and have the success on the scale of Apple. It's unprecedented.

In my opinion, the iPhone X is a lot better than the original iPhone, for example. Not sure how you can say they've gotten worse at making iPhones (software included).
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Terrible analogy. Apple is a consumer product company. Every time a consumer buys a product from Apple, they are voting with their wallet.

Apple gets 220M votes/year on iPhone alone. People do NOT buy crap on that big of a scale without a reason. People love iPhone, period. Numbers show it, satisfaction shows it, loyalty shows it, services people buy after the fact show it, etc., etc.
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Yes, but I am both. The products are great.

They're great in some ways, not in others.

In the duopoly of iOS and Android, iOS is at around 14% market share. In the duopoly of Mac and Windows, Mac is at around 10% market share.

Apple isn't without their problems. Whether it's hardware problems, software bugs, secret throttling based on "battery health" (even when the batteries report as "Healthy" by Apple), letting products go years without updates, their arm-twist and permanent updates, etc. Apple has their strengths, too, such as their commitment to privacy, security, and generally high build quality.

Despite market share, it's still tough to really consider whether people really "love" the products or not. Both iOS and Android have exceedingly high loyalty rates, most likely as people don't want to leave their "ecosystem" and have to repurchase everything. And with a duopoly, if you don't like one, it leaves you with only one choice whether you like them or not... and Google's a big data company.

 

[Baymowe335]

They're great in some ways, not in others.

In the duopoly of iOS and Android, iOS is at around 14% market share. In the duopoly of Mac and Windows, Mac is at around 10% market share.

Apple isn't without their problems. Whether it's hardware problems, software bugs, secret throttling based on "battery health" (even when the batteries report as "Healthy" by Apple), letting products go years without updates, their arm-twist and permanent updates, etc. Apple has their strengths, too, such as their commitment to privacy, security, and generally high build quality.

Despite market share, it's still tough to really consider whether people really "love" the products or not. Both iOS and Android have exceedingly high loyalty rates, most likely as people don't want to leave their "ecosystem" and have to repurchase everything. And with a duopoly, if you don't like one, it leaves you with only one choice whether you like them or not... and Google's a big data company.

They make all the profit and have room to grow. Imagine being the most valuable and profitable company in the world (profit by a large margin) and only have captured mid teens in share for the best consumer product of all time.

Remember, Android is hundreds of phones, so compare that 14% to the best selling single Android phone and it’s more relevant. The iPhone outsells the Galaxy line, which is probably at least the best known Android line.

Apple is rightly very comfortable with their position. It’s not like Google makes a lot on Android, the OS...at least in comparison. Apple makes more than double the profit of Google and Google makes 90% of their profit from ads.

 

[Juicy Box]

The measure is consumers voting with their wallets. People in general clearly love the products, period.

So I guess things like Mcdonald's and Walmart are high quality products and services.

Objectively, you can't pump out junk and have the success on the scale of Apple. It's unprecedented.

MS has a habit of doing just that.

Windows 95 sold like crazy when it first launched due to a very successful advertising campaign. There was people getting it that didn't even own a computer. The original OS was unusable and needed to be patched to work and there wasn't internet updates then.

MS pumped out junk and made billions from it.

 

[Altis]

They make all the profit and have room to grow. Imagine being the most valuable and profitable company in the world (profit by a large margin) and only have captured mid teens in share for the best consumer product of all time.

Remember, Android is hundreds of phones, so compare that 14% to the best selling single Android phone and it’s more relevant. The iPhone outsells the Galaxy line, which is probably at least the best known Android line.

Apple is rightly very comfortable with their position. It’s not like Google makes a lot on Android, the OS...at least in comparison. Apple makes more than double the profit of Google and Google makes 90% of their profit from ads.

From a consumer standpoint, why would you want to pay higher margins (ie. pay more to get less)? Sounds like Android is the better deal.

To paraphrase you, imagine being the most valuable and profitable company in the world (profit by a large magin) and have most of your computer lineup go years without updates. Then again, I suppose that's all part of how they profit so well.

Anyways, you seem to have missed the point I was making.

 

[-BigMac-]

But what you think doesn't mean it's reality either.

The measure is consumers voting with their wallets. People in general clearly love the products, period.

Objectively, you can't pump out junk and have the success on the scale of Apple. It's unprecedented.

In my opinion, the iPhone X is a lot better than the original iPhone, for example. Not sure how you can say they've gotten worse at making iPhones (software included).
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Terrible analogy. Apple is a consumer product company. Every time a consumer buys a product from Apple, they are voting with their wallet.

Apple gets 220M votes/year on iPhone alone. People do NOT buy crap on that big of a scale without a reason. People love iPhone, period. Numbers show it, satisfaction shows it, loyalty shows it, services people buy after the fact show it, etc., etc.
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Yes, but I am both. The products are great.

LOL
The following companies and their products are FAR BETTER than Apple according to your assessment (number of purchases, because number of purchases = votes according to you):
- ANDROID phones
- McDonalds
- VISA, Mastercard, AMEX
- Costco
- Dominos
- 800,000 other companies

According to your limited analogy, you're wrong

 

[Baymowe335]

So I guess things like Mcdonald's and Walmart are high quality products and services.


MS has a habit of doing just that.

Windows 95 sold like crazy when it first launched due to a very successful advertising campaign. There was people getting it that didn't even own a computer. The original OS was unusable and needed to be patched to work and there wasn't internet updates then.

MS pumped out junk and made billions from it.

McDonald’s serves its purpose and Walmart saves people tons of money.
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LOL
The following companies and their products are FAR BETTER than Apple according to your assessment (number of purchases, because number of purchases = votes according to you):
- ANDROID phones
- McDonalds
- VISA, Mastercard, AMEX
- Costco
- Dominos
- 800,000 other companies

According to your limited analogy, you're wrong

None of the companies are as successful as Apple, but serve their own purpose.

Android is an OS, not a company.

People vote with their wallets and pick iPhone AND pay a premium for it more than any other single phone. You don’t get to compare iPhone with every phone from every manufacturer running Android.
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From a consumer standpoint, why would you want to pay higher margins (ie. pay more to get less)? Sounds like Android is the better deal.

To paraphrase you, imagine being the most valuable and profitable company in the world (profit by a large magin) and have most of your computer lineup go years without updates. Then again, I suppose that's all part of how they profit so well.

Anyways, you seem to have missed the point I was making.

Because it’s a better experience? Name a single phone that sells better than iPhone. Why do you think that is the case? Everyone just isn’t as smart as you?

 

[-BigMac-]

None of the companies are as successful as Apple, but serve their own purpose.

Android is an OS, not a company.

People vote with their wallets and pick iPhone AND pay a premium for it more than any other single phone. You don’t get to compare iPhone with every phone from every manufacturer running Android.

Fuhrer of MacRumors is in the house everyone

 

[Altis]

Because it’s a better experience? Name a single phone that sells better than iPhone. Why do you think that is the case? Everyone just isn’t as smart as you?

Collectively, Android sells in orders of magnitude more than iPhones. Does that mean they're a better experience?

And you're talking to someone who's pretty much only had iPhones since 2009 and recently got an 8, so you can drop the snarky tone.

 

[Baymowe335]

Collectively, Android sells in orders of magnitude more than iPhones. Does that mean they're a better experience?

And you're talking to someone who's pretty much only had iPhones since 2009 and recently got an 8, so you can drop the snarky tone.

Android is not a company. Android also serves a purpose. It’s decent value because many android phones are free or nominally priced.

Apple is aspirational and when people are ready to fork over cash for a phone, they overwhelmingly choose iPhone. Apple owns the high end market, outselling other flagship devices by a wide margin.

This further cements my thesis that people vote with their wallets for Apple products. Think of each vote multiplied by the number of dollars paid. Apple sells something like $150B in iPhones annually. You might use a free Android phone or $49 Android because it’s all you can afford. Nothing wrong with that. But when you get a choice and move up, you’re picking Apple.