It's my opinion that the poll isn't worthless. This is a public poll, open to anyone and therefore not pointless. I didn't agree with you but respected your opinion. Why the arrogance?
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Apple on iPhone 4 Reception: Signal Strength Display Issue Only, Software Update Coming
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It's my opinion that the poll isn't worthless. This is a public poll, open to anyone and therefore not pointless. I didn't agree with you but respected your opinion. Why the arrogance?
It's my opinion that the poll isn't worthless. This is a public poll, open to anyone and therefore not pointless. I didn't agree with you but respected your opinion. Why the arrogance?
What arrogance? Trying to teach you something, but you don’t want that, so continue on, I’m done.
You should know better, but here you go from the rules:
I would say the so-called "fanboys" are the ones who refuse to return their iPhone 4's. They are willing to put up with fixes by using cases and such. Weird thing is they will keep on ranting and calling Apple liars but STILL KEEP THE IPHONE4, those are the fanboys!!
Because I'm hoping that if enough people like me keep pushing Apple then something will be done, otherwise there would be no point. I don't think anyone is saying that there won't ever be a fix, we just don't expect (from what Apple has said) the upcoming fix to solve the issue, just try and mask it or make it look less significant.
great point
One I have been thinking of a while now. Had this NOT been the issue, we would have been talking about how to get Facetime to work with ichat or skype, or how to get it to work with GSM connectivity, etc. Instead, all that is on hold
One I have been thinking of a while now. Had this NOT been the issue, we would have been talking about how to get Facetime to work with ichat or skype, or how to get it to work with GSM connectivity, etc. Instead, all that is on hold
I no more violated the spirit or purpose of that rule than does your repeated correction of people's views on polls or me pointing out the difference between detuning and attenuation. Perhaps your world view of apple being challenged is making you a little cranky, but I think you are making quite a stretch here.
I'm sure there have been similar polls about technical glitches with Apple products in the past here on MR, and I'm sure arn or long time members with a good memory can shed some light on how the iPhone 4 antenna problem poll compares to those. Stuff like, I dunno, "Does your Cube have cracks?", "Is your iMac 27" affected by the screen problems?", "Does your iPhone 3G have cracks around the headphone jack?", "Does your MBA get extremely hot?" etc etc.
Such polls would have roughly the same ratio of trolls, saboteurs, fanboys in denial, nervous stockholders etc as this one does. I don't know if there ever were any polls about those particular issues but if so, I have a hunch that the iPhone 4 antenna problem poll stands out among them as the only one where a majority were affected by the problem.
I'm not so sure. There are enough people on here defending Apple so why would they not vote?
The use of antennae has nothing to do with this thread. How a poll is used does, since it is being used to draw conclusions that could or could not be true. We simply have no idea the extent of this problem.
You’re making the conclusion I’m some kind of Apple fanboy. That’s funny.
You would have to prove that a cell phone that could make calls in -88 dBm signal conditions (-113 reception capable - 25 dB max "touch" attenuation) was unfit or defective. Since many other cell phones might fail that test during absolute worst case handling and positioning, you could have a difficult case showing that a phone which is actually better than other products on the market was either unfit or defective.
The fact that the i4 can sometimes connect in RF conditions far better than -88 dBm (down to -113 dBm, reportedly, and maybe even better if you point the antenna directly at the cell tower) is a feature, not a defect.
No you wouldn't have to prove any of that. "unfit for its intended purpose" is not proven on a curve. It's not necessary to prove that there are alternatives that WOULD work. If I buy a car that stalls constantly, I don't have to prove other cars don't. If you sell me a car claiming it can haul a thousand tons and it cannot, it doesn't matter that no other car can do it. And if you sell me a phone for my AT&T plan, claiming it has better reception than the 3GS, and the new phone doesn't work with my existing AT&T equipment (microcell), it doesn't matter that the phone works better for some other people.
A contract (for the sale of goods) where I don't get the things I reasonably expecting (and in particular where I was teasonably relying on your promise) is going to be thrown out by the courts.
Not a fanboy and still keeping my new iPhone. The reception death grip doesn't affect me. I don't doubt for a second that people have issues, but since I don't I must be a fanboy??
I don't understand what all the fuss is? If you don't think you got what you paid for then return it.
You pays your money you makes your choices.
Not a fanboy and still keeping my new iPhone. The reception death grip doesn't affect me. I don't doubt for a second that people have issues, but since I don't I must be a fanboy??
I don't understand what all the fuss is? If you don't think you got what you paid for then return it.
You pays your money you makes your choices.
Should we not have the right to see if Apple fixes the issue before deciding if we want to return it?
Which has nothing to do with the complaint does it? its pretty clear you are a lawyer trying to cobble together a rationale where Apple hasn't put out a defective product but you aren't going to succeed this way.
The problem is that holding an iPhone 3GS normally attenuated the signal to about 2/3rd its unheld signal strength, doing the same with an iPhone 4 attenuates the signal to 1/80 of its unheld signal strength, a jump in normal holding signal attenuation that is so extreme it could easily be considered to be indicative of a qualitative defective by a court.
The complaint is about signal attenuation with normal usage that would prevent expected usage, i.e. completing a call while being held normally. That the radio is theoretically possible of utilizing very low signals in situations that don't necessarily included normal holding and usage are irrelevant.
Enough with this nonsense of suing apple. I have a much bigger case against god.
I purchased a self repairing human body from the almighty store and waited a full 18 years for it to reach full maturity......since then it has been nothing but service.
The shock absorbers also known as "knees" are starting to fail.
The air intake is partially blocked by a reaction known as "hey fever"
The top coat of paint "hair" is thinning and falling out.
These are just a few of the problems I am having and while I have visited official service centres called hospitals, I have only been given partial fixes and no software upgrades to help with these conditions.
The returns policy is awful with only a limited window of 24 weeks to cancel an order from date placed.
Talk about a lousy product! Let's sue!!!!
I purchased a self repairing human body from the almighty store and waited a full 18 years for it to reach full maturity......since then it has been nothing but service.
The shock absorbers also known as "knees" are starting to fail.
The air intake is partially blocked by a reaction known as "hey fever"
The top coat of paint "hair" is thinning and falling out.
These are just a few of the problems I am having and while I have visited official service centres called hospitals, I have only been given partial fixes and no software upgrades to help with these conditions.
The returns policy is awful with only a limited window of 24 weeks to cancel an order from date placed.
Talk about a lousy product! Let's sue!!!!
Again, wishful thinking and speculation. The evidence points toward no fix being applied. As a consumer, that is the stance you should adopt until evidence of a fix to the underlying issue is presented.
And there is a general problem, Anand demonstrated it. You lose 20 dbm of signal holding the phone in the proper spot. However, 5 bars goes all the way down to -91 dbm of signal. If your signal is over -71 dbm to begin with, while you are still experiencing the issue, it is not apparent in the bar display.
Yes, and as he pointed out, it was causing confusion, mixing phones with insects. Hence why he posted the correction in respect of the established rules. Funny how people are quick to jump on the insult bandwagon when they are showed wrong.
I hope not. Antennae is the plural form of the thingies sticking out of the foreheads of insects and aliens. The plural form for those that receive and/or broadcast radio waves is "antennas".
I'm not defending Apple. Look at the first line of my post describing how I felt about Steve Jobs suggestion about holding the phone. What I AM doing is seeing it from both sides and customers should see it from both sides as well. Stock holders ARE customers too ya know. Apple is a very high profile company and if their stock plummets and they end up a loser company you can best believe that we will be living in Microsoft LA LA land, do you want that? The reason for the existence of the Android phone and it's store is because of Apple showing competition to Google, Microsoft has been no competition for goodness sake.
Of course Apple needs customers to stay alive just like any company, they have actually made a statement and said they are fixing the issue. Many people here refuse to give them a chance saying that Apple is lying and there's no way to fix the problem, that's inhuman and it shows from a customer standpoint people are just acting like whiny babies stamping their feet and throwing a tantrum.
My issue with this whole thread is that many of the same people (sorry, but you're included in this Citrate) repeatedly rant in disbelief and call Apple liars but refuse to return their iPhone 4's. I know for a fact that if I'm unhappy with the company I spent money with and I have zero belief that they will fix what they said they would and I'm not happy with the statement they put out I will return my product and buy from a competitor.
So funny how many people PRAISED the Android, Droid, DroidX (whatever they are called) but after the iPhone 4 the praises went sorta quite. Well, if the iPhone 4 sux, and you have disbelief in Apple then why not return the iPhone 4 and go buy the Android???
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Why? Return it. If they fix it in a week, month or 6 months then buy it then? If i bought a tv that had bad reception i would return it and buy a different one. I wouldn't wait for th company to issue fix.
Else accept it the way it is and keep it not knowing if apple will ever fix it. Your choice no?
As a manufacturer, however, you should resist any demands for a hugely expensive recall until the problem is fully identified, the solution is guaranteed, and any discrepancies in results are satisfactorily explained.
Fixed.
Source : http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antenna
Actually, you can also just issue a PR that you are investigating the issue reported, making the consumers at ease that you are indeed looking at the problem. So far, damage control from Apple is : "Don't hold it that way", "Get a bumper" and "Return it for a full refund".
As a manufacturer, you should indeed do everything to make sure not to have to do a recall, that doesn't mean ignoring the problem all together. Sometimes, just saying you're looking into it can prevent a PR mess like we've seen here.
Apple's silence is what is causing so much press about this. No one is asking for a full play by play and a solution. Right now, I think most purchasers would settle for a "Our bad, we'll investigate and see what we find".