iPhone 12 Pro Apple, once cream of the crop has begun to curdle.

[TheGeneralist]

Think the OP hit a valid point here.
No matter how many people insist on the quite widespread and popular "it works perfectly for me, so it cannot be that bad for you either" misconception, this can't change anything about the constantly increasing number of Apple users who are mostly quite satisfied with the quality of the hardware (...in contradiction to some years ago), but are increasingly dissatisfied with the quality of software.

What I do not appreciate is that such a discussion always seems to lead to some kind of... well, I think "religious war" is the best analogy here. Fanboys against Haters, good against evil, and everyone assumes he's on the right side. This can be observed quite intensively in this very thread, on both sides.
I think that type of behavior is not only quite ignorant and rude, furthermore it does not improve anything for anyone.
Come on, is it really so difficult to understand that mileages do indeed vary a lot and that something I experience in my environment does not mean anything about what someone else experiences? I think we're sharing a common interest here, which is to get along with Apple's devices and services as good as possible, so this should include understanding that no one's problems can be resolved by stating "well, I do not have that problem", but by trying to help instead.

 

[Dom46]

The evidence is telling something different



Something that is a fact is a fact no matter wether you call it BS or not. Satisfied people rarely post and you'll find someone being grumpy (rightfull or not) for every product/company.

What's obvious is that you do not know what evidence is.

I am the first to admit that I know only enough about my phone to do the things I need to do. I am sure that I only scratch the surface of the phone's capability.

And no, I'm not grumpy. I'm PISSED. I demand better quality out of the box.

And if you took the time to research instead of pulling things out of thin air, you would see that in the short time I've been registered, this is the first time I've questioned Apple QC.

 

[Angelinoff]

Lol, so the fact that Siri is not good enough is your only bullet point?

I have owned iPhone 4, 4s, 5, 6, 8 and now 12 Pro.
The 12 Pro is the best one so far. I am really happy they went back to the square design.

I bet that all Siri alternatives are worse ...

 

[genovelle]

Just wait 1 year and your 13 Pro will turn into a laggy turd like all iPhones.

To the OP: You are correct. Apple products are some of the lowest quality stuff out there. Anyone that disagrees needs to try non-Apple products.
I am so tired every day worrying about whether an Intel architecture app is running in the background, when MacOS writes 100+ GB of data to the SSD daily or if I should update iOS 14 to iOS 15.2 since Apple is trying to cripple my devices. I already have other things in life I need to worry about. Apple products just give me more problems to deal with.

When you buy a Windows PC or an Android, everything just works so well and you don't have to worry about whether the manufacturer is trying to cripple your device. Windows PC and Android are just far less stressful to use than Apple products.

You are kidding right?!

 

[ikramerica]

How bad is Siri? When you repeat the exact phrases from Siri commercials, Siri doesn’t understand.

 

[ericwn]

How bad is Siri? When you repeat the exact phrases from Siri commercials, Siri doesn’t understand.

The annoying thing for me is it got worse instead of better. I used to be able to start my playlists via Siri. Not anymore, it doesn’t understand the commands in 90% of the cases, ballpark guess.

 

[MayaUser]

Apple is the cream a la cream in tech

 

[MayaUser]

The annoying thing for me is it got worse instead of better. I used to be able to start my playlists via Siri. Not anymore, it doesn’t understand the commands in 90% of the cases, ballpark guess.

Shortcuts is the best thing, everyone should copy cat that

 

[ignatius345]

It isn't a coincidence that these issues have become progressively worse since the passing of Steve Jobs. For Steve, the quality of the product was paramount. But since his passing, it seems that Apple's priority is about the bottom line and keeping shareholders happy, rather than the quality of the product.

I've been using Macs since my Mac Classic II I bought in college in the early 90s, and there have been plenty of bugs before and since the Jobs era. They were frustrating then, and they're frustrating now. Hagiography aside, none of this is new, but Apple still seems to be the best game going as far as I'm concerned.

 

[ignatius345]

?Let’s not be too harsh on Siri.

I have found one thing it can do well.

‘Take me home’

Everything else,not so much! ??

I find generally that it's best to approach it with limited expectations, because most of the time if I get too ambitious I'll inevitably be disappointed.

That said, there are some things it seems to be good for. I add stuff to my grocery list all day long. I tell it to add reminders to Things. I use it to call people. I ask what the weather forecast is for the day. On my HomePod, I say "play WNYC FM" every morning to start the radio stream playing. And the success rate for looking up shows and movies on Apple TV is actually pretty impressive (I think because it's specifically listening for things that match a master list of media). All useful stuff, as far as it goes.

 

[ericwn]

Shortcuts is the best thing, everyone should copy cat that

Thanks for the suggestion. How does that improve Siri when I need to trigger a command hands-free, ie when driving or not having the device in hand?

 

[Dom46]

Lol, so the fact that Siri is not good enough is your only bullet point?

I have owned iPhone 4, 4s, 5, 6, 8 and now 12 Pro.
The 12 Pro is the best one so far. I am really happy they went back to the square design.

I bet that all Siri alternatives are worse ...

You have reading comprehension issues. Read the entire thread and get back to me.

 

[Dom46]

These type of posts were old many years ago… Steve this, Steve that, come on?

Ok... so take away what I said about Jobs. I still stand by my belief that Apple software quality is going down the tubes and consumer complacency is to blame. We should demand more from Apple!

 

[Dom46]

Every year I see multiple threads like this one. To give you some idea of people complaining about good, there is a thread in the Apple Silicon forum titled “M1 Max MBP has all these unnecessary ports….WTF?!”. I could not stop laughing.

And that there a "multitude" of such posts is an illustration that product quality is a growing issue with Apple.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Lol, so the fact that Siri is not good enough is your only bullet point?

I have owned iPhone 4, 4s, 5, 6, 8 and now 12 Pro.
The 12 Pro is the best one so far. I am really happy they went back to the square design.

I bet that all Siri alternatives are worse ...

The only Siri alternative I use is Amazons Echo voice assistant and it is leaps and bounds better than Siri. I use both everyday and I’m shocked how poor Siri still is considering Apple have been working with it now for a decade.

 

[Taz Mangus]

And that there a "multitude" of such posts is an illustration that product quality is a growing issue with Apple.

The users posting here that have issues is very small in comparison to the amount people who aren’t posting that they have no issues.

 

[HeinoM]

Judging Apple by the performance of Siri is absurd. Siri is a turd (for the most part) and always has been and is best left disabled unless you like frustration

Sadly, it really is a turd. I’m not a programmer, so I have no idea if it’s fixable, but I sure wish they would. It’s gotten so bad.

 

[AsherN]

I sorely miss the focus being on function first, form second, which was always apparent during Steve's reign.

I owned an iPhone 4 and managed; I felt that design faux pas nothing compared to the functional steps backwards and/or issues with things the butterfly keyboard for the sake of being thinner than last year, the Touch Bar for the sake of forcing something new (and sacrificing the function keys that just work), and all the reduced intuitiveness of flat design and all forced interface reworkings starting with iOS7 and Yosemite.

And a god part of that is the consumers fault. How often do you come here and read complaints that the new interface is the same as the new? People wanting change for the sake of change? The interface is a rectangular slab of glass with icons, how much can that change year over year?

 

[AsherN]

Sadly, it really is a turd. I’m not a programmer, so I have no idea if it’s fixable, but I sure wish they would. It’s gotten so bad.

Some of it is the underlying data. Google works well because of the crap-ton of data they have.

 

[MayaUser]

Thanks for the suggestion. How does that improve Siri when I need to trigger a command hands-free, ie when driving or not having the device in hand?

Shortcuts is your best thing..you should try it...you make a custom made of what your device to do for you, and register a key word to trigger that what you made...voila
I always use it on the car, even my car has it build in in their MBUX...is like a copy cat of shortcuts

 

[Big Bad D]

Think the OP hit a valid point here.
No matter how many people insist on the quite widespread and popular "it works perfectly for me, so it cannot be that bad for you either" misconception, this can't change anything about the constantly increasing number of Apple users who are mostly quite satisfied with the quality of the hardware (...in contradiction to some years ago), but are increasingly dissatisfied with the quality of software.

What I do not appreciate is that such a discussion always seems to lead to some kind of... well, I think "religious war" is the best analogy here. Fanboys against Haters, good against evil, and everyone assumes he's on the right side. This can be observed quite intensively in this very thread, on both sides.
I think that type of behavior is not only quite ignorant and rude, furthermore it does not improve anything for anyone.
Come on, is it really so difficult to understand that mileages do indeed vary a lot and that something I experience in my environment does not mean anything about what someone else experiences? I think we're sharing a common interest here, which is to get along with Apple's devices and services as good as possible, so this should include understanding that no one's problems can be resolved by stating "well, I do not have that problem", but by trying to help instead.

Why are you angry with comments that suggest that the op clarify specific points to best get some constructive discussion? I am not against what you write. But if op makes general complaints and baits, then expect to get some confrontational responses. I don’t consider myself to be ignorant.

 

[plufz]

Just as a comparison to Siri I mostly use Google assistant, not really by choice but as a side effect of having sonos speakers. The quality is horrible, for one thing maybe 1 in 3 attempts by my girlfriend to say “ok google” works (for my voice that part works but other things does not). It can sometime bleep like we have said “ok google” when the room is totally quiet without any background noise or music. I’ve also tried alexa which was even worse. Apparently it is hard to create a good voice assistant. I would much rather have Siri and on device commands for privacy.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Shortcuts is your best thing..you should try it...you make a custom made of what your device to do for you, and register a key word to trigger that what you made...voila
I always use it on the car, even my car has it build in in their MBUX...is like a copy cat of shortcuts

I use Shortcuts quite a bit. However, what you are suggesting to the OP will not resolve the situation where you speak a command and Siri performs the wrong action or maybe just states it did not understand the request. This can get especially frustrating in the car where you need to have hands free the most.

 

[usagora]

The sky is falling!

My first iPhone was also the 3GS, and then I owned the 4s, 6, 6s Plus, X, SE2, 12 Pro, and currently the 13 Pro Max. Not only have I been happy with each one, but increasingly happy with each new one. That's not to say there aren't some degree software bugs or hardware issues in any given iOS release or iPhone model, but I certainly haven't run some huge mess of issues like some here claim. I guess some of us have just been extremely lucky to somehow dodge all these bullets ??‍♂️

 

[tedley]

I find generally that it's best to approach it with limited expectations, because most of the time if I get too ambitious I'll inevitably be disappointed.

That said, there are some things it seems to be good for. I add stuff to my grocery list all day long. I tell it to add reminders to Things. I use it to call people. I ask what the weather forecast is for the day. On my HomePod, I say "play WNYC FM" every morning to start the radio stream playing. And the success rate for looking up shows and movies on Apple TV is actually pretty impressive (I think because it's specifically listening for things that match a master list of media). All useful stuff, as far as it goes.

I think you make a good point. It seems to do well with simple canned queries like:
What is the weather?
Take me home
Text contact
Etc.
I’ve noticed that when you give it a query where it has to dynamically build its search criteria is when it craps in itself.