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I honestly think Apple could be investing it’s energy on things like battery life. Instead of worrying about a hash data
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Apple Open to Expanding New Child Safety Features to Third-Party Apps
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Apple should not be trying to solve societies ills in this way. It's odd they are suddenly interested in this given their hesitations about it in the past with other crime related issues.
I'm not convinced -at all - that the benefits outweigh the costs and implications and potential ways this could go badly down the line -- particularly with feature expansions and Apple being compelled to implement such technologies for nefarious and subjectively beneficial goals.
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Well, you forget the social pressure.
I remember when my daughter was 9(now 20), and a teacher asked why she is not in the whatsapp school group. I replied that she don’t own whatsapp and also just have an ipod. She 👀 at me like a bus, and said that she can’t understand that etc. started to argue that everybody uses whatsapp blah blah blah. I’m resistant to blaming, but most people would simply bend over and choose the easy route.
Imagine if your Apple Watch measured your blood sugar and if it hit a particular number they sent your data your your insurance company who then raised your rates? It’s just sugar data, not a blood sample. Imagine a world where people would leave people alone…
I was planning on upgrading to the iPhone 13 Mini next month. This whole privacy invasion thing is legitimately making me consider not upgrading. I will never support child abuse, but I also will never support my privacy being invaded.
Nothing can be done. The only way to make them change is to hit them where it hurts and that's not going to happen.
"iPhone 13 purchase planned by 44% of US iPhone owners"
The general public doesn't care, isn't aware and has no ability to understand the consequences. Even a previous article on this site mentioned that Apple thinks only a minority of people are concerned about this issue and they're right. It's just fun to complain sometimes.
The general public might not care, but I do. I’ve been a Apple fan for years. Not anymore.Nothing can be done. The only way to make them change is to hit them where it hurts and that's not going to happen.
"iPhone 13 purchase planned by 44% of US iPhone owners"
The general public doesn't care, isn't aware and has no ability to understand the consequences. Even a previous article on this site mentioned that Apple thinks only a minority of people are concerned about this issue and they're right. It's just fun to complain sometimes.
Nothing can be done. The only way to make them change is to hit them where it hurts and that's not going to happen.
"iPhone 13 purchase planned by 44% of US iPhone owners"
The general public doesn't care, isn't aware and has no ability to understand the consequences. Even a previous article on this site mentioned that Apple thinks only a minority of people are concerned about this issue and they're right. It's just fun to complain sometimes.
I guess that's my question
If you're going to hit them where it hurts, by not buying the next iPhone for instance, then what should you get instead that has better privacy?
Reverse the burden of proof: ask her if she supports unsupervised minors using devices with cameras and an internet connection.
I have been a loyal Apple customer for the past 20 years or so. But, enough is enough. I am out.
Guess it is time to give Linux a shot.
Guess it is time to give Linux a shot.
Agreed, that would not be good. Except that's not the same analogy, do you know what hash data and how it works in reference with encryption? I'm not trying to be an Apple white knight, just providing factual information. We love our labels these days so if I have to be labeled a white knight because of this so be it lol.
I have a feeling they have separate departments working on these developments.
That said hash function can be used to reverse the original image as much as it can. Not all features are preserved but critical ones likely will.
It’s just that the underlying algorithm has adversary attack in mind and has some countermeasures built in to reduce the risk. In Apple’s application here, there’s two layers of encryption, one encrypts each slice of the original image, and the other one packages the whole processed image hash. There is no need for more layers since only two parties are involved. But if multiple parties are involved, there could be more slices and more layers.
Think of this way: you are sending an image (presumably CSAM image) to Apple iCloud server. The image is first sliced into smaller pieces of manageable size, compute with a function to get a grid of numbers that closely relate to the original image. This grid of number got hashed the same way original image is being reduced, until there’s one final number that represents the original image but a number alone doesn’t mean much.
Apple wants to see the content of the image, they’d need to know sufficient number of slices of the original image to recreate what it once was. Since the algorithm is reversible, Apple can then use the number to reverse back the chain and recreate an image that is as close to the original as possible. However, if only some slices are reversed (because others are encrypted), Apple would not be able to process available information to figure out what the original image is.
Or, think of this another way. A letter being torn apart into small pieces can still be recreated if sufficient number of pieces are found and contents are distinguishable.
I believe what Apple is trying to achieve here is unless they receive enough pieces of image that closely resembles existing CSAM image, what they receive is effectively as if they receive nothing.
Slip in a backdoor to iOS? There's nothing slipping into iOS, but rather a backdoor has always been in iCloud since the beginning.
People seem to forget we are all humans, and we have innate flaws the nature has baked into our traits that only selected few could overcome and become powerful.
Btw, brain implants have been a thing to treat patients. But plastic chip will probably enable mass mind control that many dictatorship countries dreamed of from day 1.
I am a little bit confused by your answer:
1. a hash function is per definiton a non-reversible function (lookup a "perfect hash" if you like)
2. No need for Apple to reverse engineer the image anyhow - the "safety voucher" already contains a copy
so sorry - I cannot follow you.
You didn't read this bit, did you?
"Another possibility is that Apple's known CSAM detection system could be expanded to third-party apps that upload photos elsewhere than iCloud Photos."
How many who object will put their money where their mouth is?
Some countries like Russia or Saudi Arabia could make apps that scan for Gay material and use it to persecute LGBTQ people and China could do the same by scanning anti government photos etc.. Good luck with that!
I don’t want my kid smoking meth. I won’t be following them around 24/7 to make sure they don’t, though.
I get the concern, but your logic makes no sense - they’re not talking about giving photos/info to third party apps, they’re more likely talking about offering scanning services for photos from third party apps. Facebook (et. al.) isn’t getting any data out of this.
I am seriously considering switching to android for my next phone. I have had apple devices for nearly 20 years but this is making me rethink my next phone and I believe a lot of people will be doing the same.
I'm pretty sure it gets turned on automatically if you just sign in. So you need to be fast enough to turn it off, and even then it might upload all of meta data first in seconds.