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...or the iphone 3gs...or the iphone 4s...ipad 2...3...4..

Clearly not. They created those phones and this market. Not samsung in any way.

If you make something completely new, I can catch up to you very fast as I know your recipe is working.
 
All I want to see is Logic Pro X and Aperture 4. It's been 3-4 years since these have had a major revision (retina and 64bit don't count, I'm talking major new features and workflow enhancements like their competitors).

I realize everything works as it is, but I need to know Apple is still committed to these apps, and competing for customers in this space.

Otherwise, new iPhones, iPads, iPods, and Macs are inevitable. These apps have gone far too long with no love.
Agreed. I want Aperture 4. I'm a huge fan of Aperture's interface, layout, and simplicity and loathe working in Lightroom but Aperture has just fallen too far behind with absolutely no indicator as to whether or not things will improve. With Lightroom 5 Beta out now, it's getting very hard to justify sticking with Aperture. I want to smash Lightroom's tools and develop panel into Aperture's interface. That would be just perfect.

In reality, I don't expect Aperture to become nearly as robust as Lightroom, but Aperture's current noise reduction is laughable, lens corrections are missing in action, and the absence of output sharpening is inexcusable. I'm not sure how people get along without these three. That's not to mention the weak vignette tool and lack of gradient filters.

Improve the first three and I'm in.
 
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does the US not have a minimum term contract and a set fee per month when buying the phones cheaply?

in the UK the iPhone might only cost £99, but then you have a 2 year contract which will add up to about £800 (or more)in total

That is the idea behind getting a cheaper smart phone that is a year or two behind along with the time one is going to use it, that makes little sense to me, save a hundred dollar to still spend two grand on the phone plan and having a phone that may be four years old tech wise by the time they can u[grade. I am more concerned with long term cost then short term. Now without a contract is another story completely.
 
Because that expectation is the only thing that keeps Apple afloat. Without the constant hype, Apple is just another boring IT company - but without the hype it's one that sells overpriced products that can barely compete with the rest of the market.

:rolleyes:

Agreed. I want Aperture 4. I'm a huge fan of Aperture's interface, layout, and simplicity and loathe working in Lightroom but Aperture has just fallen too far behind with absolutely no indicator as to whether or not things will improve.

Ditto iWork/iLife. Maybe Apple needs to spend some of those billions on more software engineers. Their native apps are what help them stand out from the pack. There is a strong aroma of neglect in this area recently. :mad:
 
Ditto iWork/iLife. Maybe Apple needs to spend some of those billions on more software engineers. Their native apps are what help them stand out from the pack. There is a strong aroma of neglect in this area recently. :mad:
Exactly. Aperture is why I first took interest in the Mac platform, I'd hate to see it abandoned. It's true that much of my needs can bet met with third party plugins, but using plugins often renders my preference for Aperture's interface invalid.

I do disagree with the common sentiment that there will be no Aperture 4 (or X) because Apple has abandoned the pro segment. Even if that is the case, I don't feel that image management and RAW development is necessarily a pro activity; I'd define it as prosumer by nature. I'm not in any way suggesting that pros don't do it or that it is an easy skill to perfect but rather that the needs in this area plateau a lot quicker than say with video production. With the prevalence of DSLRs and an increasing interest in taking and sharing pictures, I think the line between pro and prosumer is quite blurred in this category. Tools like Aperture and Lightroom are simple enough for the prosumer but robust enough for the pro.
 
No, he didn't! The original wording was "we’re working on something really great for later next year". No matter how much rumor sites and fans try to read "new Mac Pro" into this - a solid and unmistakable commitment looks different.

Actually an Apple rep did confirm new Mac Pros after he said that.
 
No, he didn't! The original wording was "we’re working on something really great for later next year". No matter how much rumor sites and fans try to read "new Mac Pro" into this - a solid and unmistakable commitment looks different.

I agree there is no solid and unmistakable commitment.

But I don't think reading "new Mac Pro" out of the available information is completely unreasonable:

"An Apple spokesman just told me that new models and new designs of the Mac Pro, as well as the iMac desktop, are in the works and will likely be released in 2013." -- "Apple PR has reached out and clarified that only the Mac Pro is expected to be next updated in 2013."

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/1...c-pro-and-imac-designs-likely-coming-in-2013/

For a company as secretive as Apple, that's about as close to confirmation as it ever gets!
 
I've about had it with Apple, they're just an iToy company now.

It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't buy up software I use to make a living then never update their pro level hardware. FFS!
 
Cook is such a tool. "...executing a very exciting roadmap!" He has no vision so we get stale jargon instead.
 
Cook is such a tool. "...executing a very exciting roadmap!" He has no vision so we get stale jargon instead.

I do have to admit that he sometimes sounds like he is just repeating the same phrases. Even if he just changed them somehow it would be an improvement.

Denial Phrase: No comment.
Denial Phrase 2: Can't comment.
The new Denial Phrase: Won't comment.
Denial Phrase mini: NoCo.
Denial Phrase 4: No, can't, won't.
Denial Phrase 5: ???
 
Let's hope they live up to this. They've really been slacking off in the "revolutionary products" department recently, just releasing evolutionary ones.

The problem is that we've all gotten used to a "revolutionary new product" every 12-24 months during the Steve Jobs era.

Is it really necessary for any company (Apple or otherwise) to deliver us something totally new every few months?

I'm sure there are lots of bright engineers and innovators at Apple still, they are working on a slew of products that could surprise us. But why the hell should we force them to rush products to market if they are not yet ready?
 
Just curious how you survived between 2001 and 2007?

Haha firstly because I'm just a student without the liquid assets necessary to be able to afford a new Apple product unless I wait for a really great one every few years. And secondly because although I enjoy owning Apple products, I'd really love to even experience the joy of seeing a revolutionary new product come along again like the iPhone or iPad, even if I can't afford it at the time.


The problem is that we've all gotten used to a "revolutionary new product" every 12-24 months during the Steve Jobs era.

Is it really necessary for any company (Apple or otherwise) to deliver us something totally new every few months?

I'm sure there are lots of bright engineers and innovators at Apple still, they are working on a slew of products that could surprise us. But why the hell should we force them to rush products to market if they are not yet ready?

True, and I didn't mean to imply that we should force them to come out with something revolutionary or rush them to produce products that aren't their best. They just seem to have released evolutionary ones lately, and I just hope that means they've been working on another really revolutionary one in the background because even if it takes a while to release it, it'll be spectacular.
 
Is it really necessary for any company (Apple or otherwise) to deliver us something totally new every few months?

Not even sure how most companies could do that. Something new and amazing happens every few years not every few months. People get bored so easily.
 
True, and I didn't mean to imply that we should force them to come out with something revolutionary or rush them to produce products that aren't their best. They just seem to have released evolutionary ones lately, and I just hope that means they've been working on another really revolutionary one in the background because even if it takes a while to release it, it'll be spectacular.

I agree. When a "revolutionary new product" appears (e.g. the very first-ever iPad), what comes next are implementations of evolutionary refinements of that product. There's nothing wrong with the concept of these refined evolutionary upgraded products. It's simply refining and polishing an existing product to its full extent.
 
I would like to see some revolutionary new product as much as the next guy, but I don't know why people are so impatient and continue to bash Cook and the current team. If the iPhone was introduced in 2007, and the iPad in 2010, then for something new to come out in 2013, or 2014 is right in line with what they have been doing.
 
Haha firstly because I'm just a student without the liquid assets necessary to be able to afford a new Apple product unless I wait for a really great one every few years. And secondly because although I enjoy owning Apple products, I'd really love to even experience the joy of seeing a revolutionary new product come along again like the iPhone or iPad, even if I can't afford it at the time.




True, and I didn't mean to imply that we should force them to come out with something revolutionary or rush them to produce products that aren't their best. They just seem to have released evolutionary ones lately, and I just hope that means they've been working on another really revolutionary one in the background because even if it takes a while to release it, it'll be spectacular.
Someone made up a chart that shows Apple has gone 230 days since a keynote (the longest gap in many years). If all Apple was working on was incremental updates to existing products would that really take this long? I have a feeling Cook's re-org was more than just shuffling the decks. We're hearing rumors that iOS is delayed, if that was just an incremental update why would it be delayed? What's Bob Mansfield working on? I doubt he delayed retirement just to work on spec bumps to the Macs and iPhone/iPad. Plus isn't that Dan Riccio's job now?

My point is, I think cool stuff is coming. I don't think innovation has dried up at Apple and I don't think they're out of ideas. Take this recent rumor from MacDailyNews:
http://macdailynews.com/2013/04/24/...leash-a-blizzard-of-new-products-says-source/

“Apple is preparing to unleash a blizzard of new products,” a source who has been correct about Apple products and services in the past tells MacDailyNews.
“Think of this period in Apple’s history as the calm before the storm,” the source says. “What looks like a long pause from the outside is really a beehive of frenzied activity inside Apple; the big windup.”

Not only will existing product lines get next-gen models, but entirely new product categories – plural – are being explored at Apple. “It sounds trite, but, really, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet,” says the source. “WWDC is likely to deliver some clues.”

As this is a single source, sans independent confirmations, this report is categorized as a rumor. That said, twice last evening, during Apple’s Q213 conference call with analysts, Apple CEO Tim Cook seemed in accordance, saying, “Our teams are hard at work on some amazing new hardware and services we can’t wait introduce this fall and throughout 2014,” and also reiterating, “I don’t want to be more specific, but I’m just saying we’ve got some really great stuff coming in the fall and all across 2014.”

MacDailyNews Note: This is the same source who told us in early 2010 that Apple would rename iPhone OS to “iOS” in order to “better reflect the diversity of devices that will run the operating system: iPhone, iPod touch, and future devices to be announced” over 4 months before Apple did exactly that.
 
The whole "fall" comment troubles me as a shareholder... it implies that Apple is going to backload all it's new products into one quarter. I realize many companies do this as its puts fresh products out for the holiday season.

But here is where my concern is: Apple buyers are more passionate about the brand than buyers of other products and frequently buy "one of each." I'll kind of include myself in that category given the number of Apple products I have but don't absolutely need.

But what helps me obtain all these toys is that Apple previously spread out product launches: iPads in the spring, iPhones in the early summer, iPods and some Macs in the fall. At least with the iPad and iPhone, and to a degree Macs, I upgrade annually because it doesn't all come at one time. That launch strategy that created serial upgraders and helped propel AAPL.

But if everything launches around the same time I can't justify spending $2000+ on tech toys in one bite. I don't think I'm alone here. Growth is dead at Apple. Raiding the cookie jar is all that is in it for shareholders to stick around now it seems.

As Apple transitions to a consumer electronics company from a computer company I can see why they want to push more and more product launches to right before the Holiday season. That is the best time to introduce new CE products.
 
As Apple transitions to a consumer electronics company from a computer company I can see why they want to push more and more product launches to right before the Holiday season. That is the best time to introduce new CE products.
Excellent point.

In addition it's the time of year when people are emotionally vulnerable. Studies reveal consumers are much more likely to spend more on a per item basis, & more willing to go into debt.

That's the perfect scenario for Apple to take advantage of.

Rumor at Chiat & Day as well as within the big bucks realm of prime time TV ads, is that Apple has a huge sum of money earmarked for the 2013 holiday season.

The plot thickens :)
 
I take it you don't like the big buyback. Why not?

Fair question. Apple will spend around $45,000,000,000 or so to buy back stock at around $400 (or whatever). The idea is that less shares will, based on supply and demand, cause the share price to go up. That has not worked out for investors so far. It is a "conventional wisdom" theory but does little for the shareholders.

If instead, they declared a special dividend of $50 per share, each shareholder would get around $50 per share real cash in their hand. So if I held 1000 shares I would get $50,000 - that is REAL. If Apple spends that $45,000,000,000 in a buyback I might get very little, depending on the market vagaries. Also, with the special dividend, I still have my 2000 shares.

I believe the stock buyback will do very, very little for shareholders and damn little for Apple as they are not going to go private.

Also, the catalyst for this pathetic lil dividend was the hoard of cash that keeps growing. They are adding $40 billion to that pile each year and only giving back $12 billion with the $3 dividend. They admit they have more money than they know what to do with but have decided to keep growing the pile instead of returning a much larger portion to the investors.
 
Apple stock

I'm glad Apple is in the black, there's so many companies that are in the red that they had to fold. Now it's like Apple makes so many millions of dollars, But the analyst thought they should've made more, Based on what? Who are these analyst anyway - I guess they remain anonymous for reason.
 
Apple isn't making any substantial product updates for another six months...... Surprise!!'
 
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