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How do these look alike exactly? Rectangles maybe?

So okay, here's a question for everyone to ask themselves -- If the tables were turned, and it was the Chinese phone that was trying to get sold in the US, do you think that Apple would try to ban it ??

Yeah. I thought so.

Makes me wonder if perhaps this is the first salvo in an attempt to get an IP deal with Apple for the future (or at least a deal to not sue), in case Xiaomi and other Chinese phone makers want to sell their devices in the US.
 
Steve Jobbs wouldn't take this crap ! He would threaten to pull out manufacturing from China all together and move it to another country and give China the finger and walk away.

I'm not so sure of what he would do. China is very important now in terms of sales (i.e. market). It has little to do with manufacturing now since China is turning into a consumer economy.

I ponder why apple remains in China

It's Apples second biggest market.
 
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I think this is political almost sure about it. China is using this to have some sort of leverage over world policies.
 
I think this is political almost sure about it. China is using this to have some sort of leverage over world policies.

It might be but I think this is mostly about money. Currently, China can do almost anything politically and we will just cave :(. They really don't need any leverage. The presidential election can't come soon enough.
 
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Soooooo what patents were infringed upon again exactly? Did I miss this in the article?

Haven't seen the exact patent mentioned anywhere yet. However, the reported judgement was over the case design:

"The Apple's iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus have minor differences from Baili's 100C. The differences are so tiny that the average customer could not notice. So, this case falls into the patent rights protection category." - Beijing Intellectual Property Office

OTOH, Apple claims the differences are easily visible and has filed an appeal.

Hmm. This sounds really familiar to me. Where have we previously heard one side saying that two devices looked almost exactly the same, whereas the other side claimed the differences should be obvious to anyone??
 
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Only in China does a multi-billion dollar international company get halted by a knock-off producer. If China wants to be taken as a serious modern economy, they need to overhaul their IP law and culture.
Ideally yes, they should become a responsible and participating partner in the global economy; a partner that respects international laws and convention, but you're talking about a society with values and customs deeply entrenched over the centuries, and change will not happen overnight.

As it stands now, China with it's massive 1.4 billion people, starving wages and almost non-existent rights for most of it's workforce, as well as lax-to-lacking environmental laws and regulations, has been able to virtually wipe out the western world's economic engine, at least where consumer goods are concerned. Not a single western nation can compete against their massive advantages and protectionist policies. Add to that the trade barriers they've put up and the current huge trade deficit is small wonder.

Controlling the population's rights and freedoms and a serious attempt at censored internet content/access continues to work very well for the communist elite, and from their perspective, they have zero incentive to change the status quo.

The path they are currently on can only lead to eventual world domination, which is definitely a scenario the freedom-loving western world should seriously contemplate and consider when trading and dealing with this economic powerhouse.
 
Oh please. China hacks and steals more secrets than a bonobo mates in estrus. And stop your petty protectionism thieves .
 
How would it hurt China if Apple moved their assembly? Business tend to operate with an eye towards the bottom line. Some other business would move in to fill the void, either another American company or a foreign one. Even if no company moved in, the Chinese gov't would care. People losing jobs? Pssh. Chinese customers losing access to Apple products? Yawn. A totalitarian gov't doesn't give two whits about a single company. Apple holds no power in a battle with China's govt. Companies that operate in China operate there with full knowledge of how the system works. Yet they still operate there. None of them have any sympathy for Apple or care about what's happening with them. Simply because it's happened to them as well. They all, including Apple, accept it as a cost of doing business.

You are probably right to a certain point. But if apple does spin up the factories and assembly plants in brazil and india (the two I have read they are working on), they could move the one million Chinese jobs to one of the other locations. One million jobs is one tenth of one percent of the population of china, so maybe it doesn't mean a who lot. but I think Apple should consider it because of economic realities -- If they spend a ton of money in yuans to build the Apple products, but sell all their products in other countries then they have the added conversion volatility and cost of taking money from one country, exporting it, converting and then importing it to china. If china is basically not allowing Apple to sell in China, this places a financial burden on Apple. Given the cash reserve you are probably right in that Apple can certainly keep trying and bribing until they find a workable solution. But I think that at some point Apple needs to stand up to the bullying if they have any hopes of it stopping.
 
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Apple, ass kissing only gets you so far, time for bribe top ups, get with the system.

The problem is that the Chinese know how much China means to you. Maybe dial down on the affection you are giving ;) it's like dating, the more you are infatuated with someone the more they take advantage ...
 
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Apple's policy of suing others over such patents was short term smart, but was bound to have rebound consequences in the long term.

Where did you get your understanding of the Apple vs Samsung case?

YouTube comments?

People like you should be show this first:

https://archive.org/details/436142-samsung-relative-evaluation-report-on-s1-iphone

Problem wasn't even close to patents or design. Normally big companies don't sue for patents, they just do cross-pattent agreements.

The problem was that Samsung was trying to confuse costumers to think that their product was the same thing as the iPhone, as the book shows. They even started telling retailers to say to people "Samsung makes the iPhone for Apple", "It's an iPhone, just with the Samsung logo and it's better", which is BS.

Your history here says that you hate Apple, which is OKAY. But being delusional? You should seek a doctor for your own good.
 
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The problem is that the Chinese know how much China means to you. Maybe dial down on the affection you are giving ;) it's like dating, the more you are infatuated with someone the more they take advantage ...

Moreover, Cook is trying to "date" other high population countries at the same time, and they're ALL taking advantage of him, getting huge investments in return for small favors.

So ha, yeah, perhaps he needs more dating experience :)
 
Moreover, Cook is trying to "date" other high population countries at the same time, and they're ALL taking advantage of him, getting huge investments in return for small favors.

So ha, yeah, perhaps he needs more dating experience :)

Sounds like like a desperate single bloke ;) they all like him, he says all the right things, buys you stuff....but boring. Yup that's TC ;)

Jobs on the other hand would have been Charlie sheen from 2 and a half man ! Play it cool and get use them for what you need, but never get too close lol
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Steve Jobbs wouldn't take this crap ! He would threaten to pull out manufacturing from China all together and move it to another country and give China the finger and walk away.

Agreed. Problem is all those other countries know Tim Cook and apple are weak, and everyone is milking it at the moment.

TC will never take strong action, as long as there is profit in China , he will jump as high as he is told. He is great at maximising profit margins...but sometimes you need to be a ruthless dictator
 
Why yes, yes I do. 1.29 trillion. Guess how much we own of THEIR debt. Last numbers show the US holding around 1 trillion of their debt. Big whoop. It's a global economy. People act as if we should be scared of them. Yeah... no thanks.

Holding debt is the new cold war. No one is going to call it.

I always wonder why they don't just cancel out each others debt 1 for 1.
 
apple is already planning on turning to India for manufacturing. I think this is just all part of the song and dance. Expect a visit to China by Tim Cook soon.
 
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