i have an original apple charger from 8 years ago still works perfectly, don't know what hell you are doing with your chargers 😄
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Apple Ordered to Stop Selling iPhones Without Charger in Brazil [Updated]
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Yeah, seems a mystery to me too. These chargers rarely die quickly in my experience.
I also have an original apple charger that works. It just has the ipod/ipad connector and apple didn't supply an adapter for ipod to lightning. See the issue?
Edit: I remember the other side has actually USB-A. Can't connect the cable supplied with the iphone 12 mini without adapter. Also it charges the iphone and the new ipad air really, really slow.
nope no issue here i have a usb-a to lightning cable (not hard to find i have a few) also if you want a faster charger go buy one with multiple ports like anyone else does
Good. Glad that is your opinion.
Batteries are user replaceable. Have to know how to do it.
You are one of those who are in the minority, do you can buy what is best for you.(not necessarily apple)
Correct. It’s about the environment.
Cell phone power bricks are a commodity, which is why they are no longer included in the box.
Every car comes with floor mats. They don’t come with the most expensive floor mats, however.
Oh look...more strawmanning. No one said anyone will "commit suicide" because they don't have a charger. I just think a $1000 electronic device should come with a charger - that's it. I hope Apple is paying you to play defense so hard for them.
We don't know - that's my point when arguing with some of these rabid deranged fanboys on here. None of us on this board (until proven otherwise) KNOW Apple's true motivation for anything or how much money may have been saved.
Since I was curious I looked into it and the only article I could find where someone did a deep dive into an Apple charging brick was back in 2012. The components added up to $4.56. Clearly Apple is likely to get a better deal on components, but that amount isn't disclosed anywhere. With inflation that is $5.88 today. Obviously there is R&D, labor to assemble, packaging, marketing, etc. etc. For iPhone sales, Apple sold 202 million iPhones in 2020, and 211 iPhones in 2021. I can't find a breakdown by model so let's just assume 75% were an iPhone 12 or later, so that's 152 million in 2020 and 158 million in 2021.
In components alone, that is a 1.82 BILLION dollar savings for Apple. Taking into consideration they probably pay less for components, we can even call it $3.50 cost to Apple which still results in a 1.09 BILLION dollar savings for Apple.
TL;DR - Apple is saving at least a billion dollars on not supplying an iPhone charging block in 2020 and 2021 alone. Please do not be so naive as to not think this was/is the primary motivation for Apple in this decision.
I'm not really trying to suggest Apple's motivation(s) one way or another. I am simply trying to point out that we don't have enough information to come to the absolute conclusions some have expressed here.
Again, how do we know some or all of the savings you are referring to hasn't been passed onto consumers? Maybe the U.S. iPhone 14 prices instead of being $829, $929 and $1,129 would've been $849, $949 and $1,149 if they included a charger. By not including a charger, consumers could've potentially saved $20 each. $20 x 200 million is $4 billion in savings to consumers (not factoring in the cost of chargers for those who went out and purchased one).
Bottom line, we don't know so arguing too firmly one way or another doesn't make sense. That's really more the point of my counter arguments to those who are convinced Apple's motive was all greed.
I think we agree here. No one knows their motivation - I'm saying that to think their decision was purely to benefit the environment and not at all to save money is naive at best. Making decisions to save money is not a criticism - they are a for profit publicly traded company after all - but my opinion is they should be offering a way to charge an iPhone out of the box.
That’s not entirely true. Yes, iphone batteries are replaceable, but user replaceable, at least not to the point that the average user could do it as was the case with early cellphones or even blackberries. It requires a special tool to open the sealed iphone and therefore wouldn’t be replaceable by most users. And that’s only for iphone. iPad batteries don’t get replaced at all, not even by Apple who will instead replace the whole iPad when the battery is faulty. Likewise for Apple Watch and Mac.
The average person can’t change a flat tire. iPads aren’t sold in the same quantity of iPhones and are recycled by Apple.
The “rabid deranged aspersers” are just as bad. Your math is fuzzy, your logic is fuzzy, and insults nullify any good debate. Once cant discount environment as the primary motivation, since “nobody” knows.
How can people ignore the extra packaging they push by the cord only matching their previous most top line phone. If they cared about the environment, they'd leave China.
Let me clarify, USB C to lightening required a brick many had to buy on their own. Increasingly letting third party in to the profit with no regard to how that might affect the device. This has never been about anything or anyone but profit.
Only we got E-SIM with no physical SIM in the USA. What country is this?
Maybe, but in the past the average person WAS indeed able to easily change the battery of their cellphone. Then came Apple and started sealing the phones and everyone else soon followed suit. Now it’s rare to see a phone with a user replaceable battery.
It’s true and I agree about user replaceable batteries, however those phones were bricks. The iPhone was sleek due to the manufacturing and placement of the components. Sleek vs user replaceable similar to blackberry.
They are working on leaving China. China manufactures 90% (or so)of the world’s goods. It’s not easy to pack up and leave.
No. I used a brick and usb a to lightning to charge my AirPods at first. I suspect many did that as well.
True, but the manufacturing costs saved, environmental savings due to not manufacturing 100s of millions of bricks, paper, shipping, fossil fuels and additional downstream impact.
I personally don’t have an issue with esim…until I do I suppose.
Nah the blackberries were similar in size to the current iphones, even smaller. In fact, the first 3 iterations of iphone up until the 3GS were thicker than a blackberry 9600 despite that they were sealed and the battery wasn’t user replaceable. Thinner iphones came years later, and hardly if at all for the benefit of the user.
The benefit to the user was a beautiful, sleek looking device.
My blackberry that should be in a museum, was a thing of utility and not beauty.
Which is basically useless and only good for Apple to profit from it.
Correct. That is the business they are in. Selling products that enhance the technology experience, and in the process make a buck.
They were not.
My Q10 was smaller than my iphone mini and had a replaceable battery.
This years iphone are so humongous, they have enough space for a battery cover and casing.