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Bag checks, fine. I can see an argument for it.

But if an employee has a work related obligation, they need to be paid for their time. That doesn't seem like a difficult concept.
 
The dignity of employees is very important everywhere. I'm sorry you consider a company the victim but overlook an employees dignity.

In any case, no employer should be searching their employees, no matter how large or small they are. And especially with regard to retail theft. I was just responding to how large you think a figure with a B is that large. It's a tiny, tiny ratio:

"Heh. Do you have any idea how much employee theft costs companies? About $50 billion in the US alone. That’s billion with a B."

Edit: Also, governments, corporations, companies of any kind, buildings, etc aren't victims. Living humans are though. When there's a car accident, the car is not a victim. If a shooter goes after company employees, the company is not the victim. The people are. Believing otherwise trivializes the value of human life. So yes, interesting perspective.
If you don’t want to use the word “victims” to describe the entities from whom billions of dollars are stolen, fine. We can use whatever term you wish. We can even make up a new one. How about “slurganflupper”? Employees steal billions and billions of dollars annually and their employers are the slurganfluppers. And taking a peek in a bag serves as a deterrent against them being further slurganfluppered. And the next time you go to a museum, sporting event, concert, or Disneyworld and they take a 3-second peek in your bag, or when you’re driving on New Year’s and the police have set up a random sobriety check, you can give another screed about the dignity of human life and see how far that gets you. ?
 
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Good. Pay me for the time I’ve wasted with TSA.

Funny how some people will whine and cry about the “evil” corporations but ignore what government does every day.

Apple employees always have the option of switching employers. It’s not that easy to switch governments.

That's a really odd analogy. The TSA is not your employer and airport security is obviously a far more serious matter than loss prevention. And if you're flying for business, you're getting paid for your time and expenses (or writing them off, if you're the owner).
 
The last concert I attended I was treated like a criminal. I think I had to even remove my belt. I’ve not been to a concert since.

Standard security procedures. Same thing if you go to court or the airport terminal. If your belt buckle keeps setting off the metal detector, you're going to have to take it off or be subject to a manual search.
 
Yes, they take a few pocket knives and scissors from law-abiding citizens. I know a 757/767 pilot who had his nail clippers confiscated. But they don’t catch terrorists every day. Or every week. Or ever. Not a single successful apprehension.

Have you ever considered the fact that the heightened security standards are precisely WHY they haven't caught them - because they don't even try to get through? And of course, how do you know what the intentions were of the people they did confiscate sharp objects from? You don't. You just assumed they were law-abiding. Maybe. Maybe not.
 
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If you don’t want to use the word “victims” to describe the entities from whom billions of dollars are stolen, fine. We can use whatever term you wish. We can even make up a new one. How about “slurganflupper”? Employees steal billions and billions of dollars annually and their employers are the slurganfluppers. And taking a peek in a bag serves as a deterrent against them being further slurganfluppered. And the next time you go to a museum, sporting event, concert, or Disneyworld and they take a 3-second peek in your bag, or when you’re driving on New Year’s and the police have set up a random sobriety check, you can give another screed about the dignity of human life and see how far that gets you. ?
Good point, as all of those definitely involve the employer-employee relationship. ? Though I would actually support the stance the sobriety checks and unconstitutional as defying the 4th amendment, though the SCOTUS disagrees.
 
I am. By paying higher prices to make up for shrinkage we all are. We all pay one way or another for the behavior of the baddies among us.

As well done for spelling it right!
I wonder if we'd see less shrinkage if everybody was paid a living wage. I wonder if we'd see less of our tax money going to social welfare programs if everybody was paid a living wage. We certainly all pay for it alright.
 
The dignity of employees is very important everywhere. I'm sorry you consider a company the victim but overlook an employees dignity.

In any case, no employer should be searching their employees, no matter how large or small they are. And especially with regard to retail theft. I was just responding to how large you think a figure with a B is that large. It's a tiny, tiny ratio:

"Heh. Do you have any idea how much employee theft costs companies? About $50 billion in the US alone. That’s billion with a B."

Edit: Also, governments, corporations, companies of any kind, buildings, etc aren't victims. Living humans are though. When there's a car accident, the car is not a victim. If a shooter goes after company employees, the company is not the victim. The people are. Believing otherwise trivializes the value of human life. So yes, interesting perspective.

Well, I worked at an employer that used solid gold for contacts in complex electronic assemblies. They had a guard for the locker for the gold contacts. You signed out, by weight, the raw contacts that you loaded into the machine, and they timed you to see if you 'used too many' for the allotted time. Oh, yeah, they searched everyone that had access to that locker, and that machine. I never even thought of taking any of the. They were extremely small. You could fit hundreds in your hand. Thousands... However, that did not mean that some 'brain donor' didn't try to steal a whole bag of them.

Yeah, brain donor was arrested for theft of 'thousands of dollars' of tiny gold contacts.

I can home, and was undressing and a couple of them fell out of my pants. I actually had a minor freak out.

Yes, they DID search people before they left the room the machine that used them was in. *shrug* Having someone try to steal them, I do not blame them. And jewelers, and pharmacies, and physicians too, IF THERE IS A BELIEF THAT THE EMPLOYEE IS BORROWING THINGS.
 
I am. By paying higher prices to make up for shrinkage we all are. We all pay one way or another for the behavior of the baddies among us.

As well done for spelling it right!

Um, you also pay higher prices because the reseller finds out that the 'shipping crisis' flogged on almost every known media in this country tells them they CAN charge more.

I would bet that there is a hell of a lot of grift, and down right thievery going on now, RIGHT NOW!

Isn't it amazing that the gas that has been in the tank at the gas station just magically cost them more than it did when they originally bought it?
 
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I worked at a grocery that also got into selling 'The Rage': skateboards... One enterprising kid hid a skateboard in the warehouse, and parted the thing out. Taking 'a piece at a time' nearly every day he worked. His plans were scuttled when someone found the carcass of the dismembered item, and watched who came to pay their last respects. Never heard this song, but I guess one piece at a time almost worked for them. I heard the rumor that management gave the kid the remains along with his 'walking papers'. Imagine trying to get the board's deck out of the store. Wow... *shrug*
 
Um, you also pay higher prices because the reseller finds out that the 'shipping crisis' flogged on almost every known media in this country tells them they CAN charge more.

I would bet that there is a hell of a lot of grift, and down right thievery going on now, RIGHT NOW!

Isn't it amazing that the gas that has been in the tank at the gas station just magically cost them more than it did when they originally bought it?
Yes, we can certainly expand the discussion to include other unrelated reasons consumers pay higher prices.
 
Here in Australia (Common Law) bag checks are allowed however legally we cannot dig through a person's bag as its private property. We are permitted to push the bottom of the bag up to see further contents but legally we are not allowed to touch the bag internally or start sifting as this means we can be charged, especially if consent is not provided. We can request the customer to move items internally. Forcibly searching a bag without permission means I can be charged with assault, and touching private property.
 
Here in Australia (Common Law) bag checks are allowed however legally we cannot dig through a person's bag as its private property. We are permitted to push the bottom of the bag up to see further contents but legally we are not allowed to touch the bag internally or start sifting as this means we can be charged, especially if consent is not provided. We can request the customer to move items internally. Forcibly searching a bag without permission means I can be charged with assault, and touching private property.

I was at a concert, in the long line to get in. A woman with a ridiculously large bag for trying to go to a concert was in the line next to mine. Security was using something that looked like those bamboo back scratchers to look through people's bags. She protested. 'You can't look through my bag, that's 'prior restraint'! she barked. Well, yes, that is true, but we DO have the right to deny entry to anyone that does not allow us to make sure you are not carrying anything that could endanger the audience, performers, or staff. Your choice.' People behind her were getting a little worked up yelling at her to 'Just let them see inside your bag!'. She finally relented after the person she appeared to be with told her to stop being a 'dick'. I can only imagine the argument they had later. So it sounds like the rules are quite a bit similar. One woman's bag was emptied into a bin, but that was after an officer was called over, and a knife was found. What some people do I guess...
 
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I worked at McDonald’s as a teen. Drive thru workers got caught trading free food for car washes with the guys that ran the car wash across the street. Enterprising girls.
 
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