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Notice that when Apple found they would have to keep the employee on the clock while they searched the bag, they ended the searches.

In other words, when it cost Apple $3 to search a bag, they did the math and found it was not worth $3.
That's not correct. Apple ended the bag search policy over six years ago and at the time Apple was winning the case. The district court granted Apple's motion for summary judgment and, within two months, Apple ended the policy anyway. It was nearly five years later, and after the issues were considered by a couple of different courts (the Ninth Circuit and the California Supreme Court), that it was effectively decided that Apple had to pay for the time employees spent waiting for searches.

That said, I doubt the amount of additional wages Apple would owe employees was ever the issue for Apple. That amount would seem to have been de minimus. An extra 2 or 3 minutes, on average, per week per employee?

It was most likely a practical issue. How do you effectively have employees clock out after they are searched? The searches had to happen at an exit and employees had to clock out somewhere else. (I recall a picture in one of the court filings showing a computer set up somewhere in the back of a store where employees presumably clocked in and out.) Could employees clock out after they'd left the store? Using their own phones? I don't think that's how it worked. So how could they clock out after they were searched? And, speaking practically, having to walk from the back of the store to an exit (time which was presumably, and without contention, off the clock) might have taken longer than the typical search anyway.

From a PR standpoint, I'd agree that the look here is bad for Apple. But the policy is easy to understand if you think about the practicalities. Maybe Apple should have just automatically added 1 minute per shift to employees' time. That probably would have, at least on average, accounted for the time they spent undergoing searches. If for whatever reason it routinely took longer at certain stores, they could adjust the amount of time automatically added. But Apple's expert testified, in effect, that on average the wait was 30 seconds or less.
 
Interesting that we never had a lawsuit about this in the UK.

As someone who previously worked for Apple retail many moons ago, this happened here too.
What's the relevant law in the UK say?

Under U.S. law, and U.S. Supreme Court precedent interpreting it, the time spent waiting for such searches isn't compensable. That, in part, is why Apple originally won this case. This settlement only applies to employees of California Apple Stores because it's based on California law.
 
I worked at an Apple Store from 2006 to 2020. (I'm retired now). Before that I worked mainly at other retailers, usually at management level. You would believe the things I've seen. The vast majority of shrink at retail comes from the employees. It wasn't as bad at Apple, but it was there. The bag checks at Apple never took more than 10 seconds. From personal experience I'll say this: retail workers who complain about bag checks are retail workers mad that they can't steal anything.
BS. It doesn’t matter whether it’s 10 seconds or 10 minutes, if it’s something the employer wants then it should happen on the employer’s time. The fact that you think this is just because employees want to steal means that you’re missing the point.
 
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I’m curious to know if this is US only or worldwide. I was employed between 2009-2015 by Apple and bag and tech checks were constant. I have since moved so if it is worldwide, how would I update my address??
 
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smiling faces since they will get some extra cash
i'm for protection of ones privacy and property - but understand the aapl reason behind the searches
 
re: pic from article
smiling faces since they will get some extra cash
i'm for protection of ones privacy and property - but understand the aapl reason behind the searches
I don’t think anyone was complaining about the searches. The problem was that they were happening before and after the employee had clocked in/out (i.e. at the employee’s expense).
 
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I’m curious to know if this is US only or worldwide. I was employed between 2009-2015 by Apple and bag and tech checks were constant. I have since moved so if it is worldwide, how would I update my address??
It's not even for the entire US. It's just for California based on a recent interpretation, by the California Supreme Court, of a California law.
 
I worked at an Apple Store from 2006 to 2020. (I'm retired now). Before that I worked mainly at other retailers, usually at management level. You would believe the things I've seen. The vast majority of shrink at retail comes from the employees. It wasn't as bad at Apple, but it was there. The bag checks at Apple never took more than 10 seconds. From personal experience I'll say this: retail workers who complain about bag checks are retail workers mad that they can't steal anything.
With all due respect, that is BS. At the larger stores with security staff the checks were relatively quick and painless, but the vast majority of stores are smaller ones where you would have to hunt down and wait for a manager off the clock. That could have a cascading effect on traffic/commute and other things over something that could have been handled way better (eg, ICS could have been tasked with performing the checks/tech card confirmations before clockout).
 
With all due respect, that is BS. At the larger stores with security staff the checks were relatively quick and painless, but the vast majority of stores are smaller ones where you would have to hunt down and wait for a manager off the clock. That could have a cascading effect on traffic/commute and other things over something that could have been handled way better (eg, ICS could have been tasked with performing the checks/tech card confirmations before clockout).
Don’t be ridiculous. Traffic and commuting isn’t something forced on an employee by an employer. It’s just a reality of travel. And those are already compensable under specific scenarios anyway. Your typical daily commute does not qualify.
 
I’m curious to know if this is US only or worldwide. I was employed between 2009-2015 by Apple and bag and tech checks were constant. I have since moved so if it is worldwide, how would I update my address??
This is a great question. I think what you need to do, is contact Apples legal department or somebody that would have to put you in touch that will point you in the right direction into a legal area.

Nobody on here specifically will probably be able to answer that except
Apple themselves. I’d go to the website and search ‘legal’ at the bottom of the URL and there should be probably an email or number that you can use:
 
It sounds like a lot...with a B, but Apple alone is valued in Ts. If all the employee theft in the US alone was multiplied by 60, it would still be less than $3 Trillion+ (with a T) value of Apple. Apple's quarterly revenue is worth more than the retail shrinkage of all retail companies in the US combined. $50 billion ain't sh*t when compared with treating employees like humans

Edit: Oops, more like 57x. Apple is currently only worth $2.86T...probably because those employees stole all those iPads
Ah, so the “dignity” of an employee should be determined by their employers’ value. Only rich companies can afford not to “demean” their workers with bag checks. i.e. stealing isn’t wrong if the victim can afford it. Interesting perspective.
 
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I worked at an Apple Store from 2006 to 2020. (I'm retired now). Before that I worked mainly at other retailers, usually at management level. You would believe the things I've seen. The vast majority of shrink at retail comes from the employees. It wasn't as bad at Apple, but it was there. The bag checks at Apple never took more than 10 seconds. From personal experience I'll say this: retail workers who complain about bag checks are retail workers mad that they can't steal anything.
Stay away from my bag, thief. Maybe your attitude problem is put up with in retail but you would be run off with your tail between your legs at a job where the workers have power. Pay me for my time or get out of the way.
 
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Is this one of the ones where the attorneys get 2/3rds of the cash and every actual affected person ends up with $15?
 
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I've worked retail for quite a bit of my history as a human. 'Bag checks' were totally not uncommon. One gocery I worked at wanted to have people check others that were going to the restroom! That was a quite a little over the moon. It is dehumanizing, and demoralizing, but employee 'shrinkage' is a huge issue at some stores. Some enterprising people will steal a product by smuggling parts of it out a day at a time. At grocers, people snarf fruit and veggies, and even yogurt, and beer too. Restaurants, hah: Oops, that pizza isn't right! Let's eat! People grabbing handfuls of ingredients and popping them into their mouths.

But it does seem rather raw that Apple would do this to their people. There has to be a level of trust, and if I worked for a company that did not trust me, I doubt that I'd trust them. Is the potential loss of a stick of memory, or a cable, or AirPods worth that treatment to the employees? (One place I worked at for a short time even had to have other management search management whenever they left the building. I think Worst Try does that, or they did that)

Shrinkage is a big, and controllable cost, but is the method too humiliating for their employees? Hmm... (And yet Apple buries products in the desert)
 
Ah, so the “dignity” of an employee should be determined by their employers’ value. Only rich companies can afford not to “demean” their workers with bag checks. i.e. stealing isn’t wrong if the victim can afford it. Interesting perspective.
The dignity of employees is very important everywhere. I'm sorry you consider a company the victim but overlook an employees dignity.

In any case, no employer should be searching their employees, no matter how large or small they are. And especially with regard to retail theft. I was just responding to how large you think a figure with a B is that large. It's a tiny, tiny ratio:

"Heh. Do you have any idea how much employee theft costs companies? About $50 billion in the US alone. That’s billion with a B."

Edit: Also, governments, corporations, companies of any kind, buildings, etc aren't victims. Living humans are though. When there's a car accident, the car is not a victim. If a shooter goes after company employees, the company is not the victim. The people are. Believing otherwise trivializes the value of human life. So yes, interesting perspective.
 
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I used to work at Gap, and we had to do bag checks before we left. It was usually a quick thing that we did on our way out that took no longer than a minute. I can see the Apple store being more strict about managers being ones to check, and the Apple stores are almost always busy. I would have been pissed too if I had to regularly wait 10-15 minutes after my shift for a bag check.

Now that I think about it, I went back to work for them for a short time in 2016-2017, and I don't think they were doing it anymore.
 
Something similar to this happened at Costco when I worked there. They used to close the doors and not let anyone out when they were pulling the cash from the registers at the end of the day. It kept some employees in 15 mins after they were off. Class action happened for this too. I didn't join but it made sense. My reasoning for not was that they allowed 3 mins late to log in and 3 mins early to log out each day and I figured it all even out in the wash for how many times I was kept late... ??‍♂️
 
Not enough to mean anything to Apple. Should have hit them with maybe $1B in punitive for such egregious behavior.
Damages from class action lawsuits should mean something. When they don't, all it does is reinforce the bad behavior.

"You mean we could do these awful things for years and get away with it and in the end all we had to pay was $30 million?"

You can bet companies learn from these experiences going forward, and not what you hope they'd learn.
 
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