LOL. Apple scuttled the bag check instead of doing it while employees are on the clock? So it wasn't really about security then, they were just trying to punish people for bringing bags in.
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The flip side of that is that many restaurants do shady things to their staff: like close without paying them their final paycheck. Or reducing their card-based tips by the amount charged by the processor for the entire transaction. For example, if the processor charges $3 for my $100 meal ($85 meal, $15 tip) scumbag managers called that a $12 tip.
And let's face it: we both know servers are often harassed and coerced into...unwanted interactions.. for better hours, better shifts, time off, etc.
I don't condone stealing but its an arms race between ownership/management and staff
Because behind their marketing teams carefully curated customer caring, magical product image, they are an uber pin-striped suit wearing, double cuffed bluechip business with a world class army of lawyers who are utterly ruthless and strong arm at every opportunity.
If you have ever had B2B dealings with Apple, you would very quickly see the real Apple. I have and it is why I find it so hard to stomach the sycophantic approach some take. The only thing Apple cares about is extracting $'s from wallets and to never spend a single ¢ more than they need to. I know people will say that is just a basic business rule which it is, but they also seem to convinced themselves that somehow Apple behaves in an altruistic manner. Guess that shows the power of Apples marketing army.
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Are you employed by the TSA? Does the TSA produce electronics that could be stolen? If not, I don't see how this is relevant.
I still have my digital one which they changed to in my apple wallet. The listed devices are long gone.
Well you can take the car, the bus or the train. What's your point here?
To those of you who are comparing this to travelers dealing with TSA: are you kidding me? How is that even remotely close to being the same? Last I checked, TSA didn’t pay travelers an hourly wage.
Apple was 100% in the wrong on this. It’s not even close to being debatable. That’s why they lost in court. And it’s disgusting that they even fought their own employees about it.
Apple was 100% in the wrong on this. It’s not even close to being debatable. That’s why they lost in court. And it’s disgusting that they even fought their own employees about it.
Good. Apple was wrong to implement this in the first place: First people should be paid for their time if you’re hiring them by the hour, second what’s going on where employee theft is so endemic?
Everyone arguing against bag checks…did you see the line: “The bag search policy has been long discontinued and Apple has not conducted bag searches since 2015.”?
Because a company has employees doesn’t mean they have carte blanche to do whatever they want with those employees. Just like how if an employee is non-exempt, anything over 40 hours is paid at time and a half.
When I’m at a store or amusement park or concert, I’m not there as an employee of an employer, a relationship where there are laws that have to be followed.
Would-be terrorists? Maybe, maybe not. Folks with guns? Absolutely.
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Yeah I’m finding it hard to sympathize with an employer paying someone $3/hr.
Edit: Funny timing, I just happened to come across this post on Reddit.
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My word. What ludicrous post.
There is no way you can really tell what kind of person someone is during a hiring process or any other way for that matter.
Have a think about back through history where a person, (I’m sure you can think is one in many a walk of life), that didn’t turn out to be as first thought.
An example;
How many people do you think have a relative that committed a murder had turned around after and just knew it was only a matter of time as opposed to those that didn’t see it coming?
2009-2015! the years I spent working at my first Apple Store. the searches were definitely annoying, but luckily they didn’t happen that entire 6 years.
we also had “tech cards”.
we also had “tech cards”.
LOL, let them each work at one for a month then evaluate how tough they have it. Sooooo glad to have left that industry.
There is zero argument for taking up employees’ time without compensation though.
The mobile phone manufacturing company i used to work for introduced bag checks and other security checks later on in it's production life due to the fact that the mobile phones we was making was getting smaller and smaller.
The company installed 4 airport type walk through metal detector scanners with optional metal detector hand scanners that the security guards used and the bag checks because earlier inventory checks had found that parts and completed phones were going missing and due to the very small sizes of some parts it was determined that it was going to be very difficult to search employees hence why they brought in the airport type security measures.
Looking back on it, no thought was given to the the time it took for us to be security checked at the end of the working shift. We just accepted that we had to be checked. It never entered our thoughts that we should complain and get paid for the amount of time we were kept on after our shift due to the security checks. Waiting times would always be longer if an employee set off one of the metal dector alarms because we would have to wait until that person was checked over.
Employees did bring bags in BUT we had the advantage of having our own lockers which was assigned to each employee so bags coats and shoes could be stored as we changed into our work uniforms (antistatic overall and anti-static shoes). We were not allowed to leave the building wearing our company uniform, it either stayed in the locker or taken home to be washed. Bags, personal mobile phones, music players, headphones, camera's and some jewlery all had to be removed and put in your locker before you entered the manufacturing space.
The company installed 4 airport type walk through metal detector scanners with optional metal detector hand scanners that the security guards used and the bag checks because earlier inventory checks had found that parts and completed phones were going missing and due to the very small sizes of some parts it was determined that it was going to be very difficult to search employees hence why they brought in the airport type security measures.
Looking back on it, no thought was given to the the time it took for us to be security checked at the end of the working shift. We just accepted that we had to be checked. It never entered our thoughts that we should complain and get paid for the amount of time we were kept on after our shift due to the security checks. Waiting times would always be longer if an employee set off one of the metal dector alarms because we would have to wait until that person was checked over.
Employees did bring bags in BUT we had the advantage of having our own lockers which was assigned to each employee so bags coats and shoes could be stored as we changed into our work uniforms (antistatic overall and anti-static shoes). We were not allowed to leave the building wearing our company uniform, it either stayed in the locker or taken home to be washed. Bags, personal mobile phones, music players, headphones, camera's and some jewlery all had to be removed and put in your locker before you entered the manufacturing space.
Just be glad it was only bag checks and not strip searches or cavity searches lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I worked at an Apple Store from 2006 to 2020. (I'm retired now). Before that I worked mainly at other retailers, usually at management level. You would believe the things I've seen. The vast majority of shrink at retail comes from the employees. It wasn't as bad at Apple, but it was there. The bag checks at Apple never took more than 10 seconds. From personal experience I'll say this: retail workers who complain about bag checks are retail workers mad that they can't steal anything.
Tell that to bank managers who enforce procedures on handling cash. Silly comment don’t you think?
You are probably a salaried employee, so you are getting paid to do a job. Travel is part of that job, so yes you are being paid.
The attorneys are getting closer to 1/3rd of the settlement.
Also, the settlement covers a period of time of about 6-1/2 years. But the average wait time used for the settlement calculations is 5 minutes which, as the judge acknowledges, is favorable for the plaintiffs. They'd have had a tough time proving it was longer than that and Apple's expert witness testified, in effect, that it was 30 seconds or less. All things considered, the agreed upon amounts seem pretty favorable for the class members.
EDIT: For correction regarding attorney's fees.
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