Apple Outlines Security and Privacy of CSAM Detection System in New Document

[hasanahmad]

lol. what an apple apologist. Its not looking for dicks, its just looking for images that have data that looks like kids dicks. And to do so it creates a hash.

Oh wait, you know what. It is looking for dicks. Otherwise it wouldnt work.

im glad you are driven by conspiracy and lack of tech knowledge in this case. ty

as I said. At this point after all the documentation:

If you still don't believe Apple or take their word for it, Leave the ecosystem because we are entering conspiracy territory​

its as simple as that.

 

[opfreak]

facepalm.,


man people really need to read what's in this. this is why so many are confused.

No. it will not flag your photo of your daughter taking a bath because that Image's HASH is NOT in the DB . it DOES NOT SCAN FOR NAKED PEOPLE FOLKS. understand this. It scans the HASHES . the back end of the file not the front end.

Faceplam.

It scans the image to generate a hash, if that hash is close to a kid porn hash you get flagged.

Just because it doesnt compare images like a human would, doesnt mean its not looking for naked people.

 

[4jasontv]

How do you lose all the money you paid for the device with the OS you agreed to use when you bought it? To your second question: honestly, I'm between projects, and find this exchange entertaining.

How do I lose the money I already gave them by not being able to update to an OS I already paid for? Is that the question?

 

[4jasontv]

Faceplam.

It scans the image to generate a hash, if that hash is close to a kid porn hash you get flagged.

Just because it doesnt compare images like a human would, doesnt mean its not looking for naked people.

It means they are looking. That's the issue.

 

[opfreak]

im glad you are driven by conspiracy and lack of tech knowledge in this case. ty

You claim to know about tech, let you know the least about it.

 

[citysnaps]

And...as if altruistic reasons are good enough to put spyware on millions of iPhones.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Well, speculate what some of those good intentions might be? Increased revenue because people would applaud Apple's efforts and buy more Apple products/services? Cook's super strong Christian values?

 

[hasanahmad]

and that is why you don’t understand why people aren’t happy about this.

People aren't happy about this because either they are driven by conspiracy or they are partaking in it. After all the promises from Apple, thats the only thing left to say. You either are who Apple wants to catch or you don't trust Apple AT ALL. and if its the second case which is for most of folks here, then leave the ecosystem. its best for everyone I think

 

[tylersdad]

Wow, what utter rot! You guys are living in your own little world. They have announced their intentions loud and clear. There is no secrecy here. And you DO consent to it if you use iCloud for photos. They have already said that if you disable iCloud for photos, nothing is being scanned. So just don't use iCloud for photos if you're so paranoid about it. Problem solved! As noted in my post above, you have always given up 100% privacy once you upload things from your phone to Apple's servers.

NO NO NO! They have said the scanning happens on device. It doesn't get reported until it's uploaded to the cloud.

They create the hash on device. They read the 1's and 0's of your photos and create a hash. They then compare that hash to the local database (on your phone) of CSAM hashes.

Sounds like YOU don't understand how it works.

 

[opfreak]

I feel a lot of folks in these kinds of threads are wearing more tinfoil hats than anything I have seen. Even when Google scans your private emails its not this much conspiracy driven


So lets see

Is Apple creating a backdoor to Government ?​

This Answer is entirely based on how you view it through practical angle or conspiracy angle. e.g. I trust Apple so I dont believe they are creating a backdoor and technology wise Its not a backdoor either because a Backdoor means Government having Keys to Secure Enclave even with iCloud Off, so logically it cannot be a back door if the hashes scanned locally is same as on iCloud and even if Apple wants it, the scope cannot be expanded due to Secure Enclave

Is Apple scanning images on your Phone before it starts uploading to iCloud​

No, Apple is scanning HASHES or images not the images themselves when the transition starts FROM your Phone to iCloud. For example. The scan of the image hash will not occur if your internet is off because the upload has not begun as per documentation

Can Apple expand the categories for types of hashes to scan for iCloud Photos?​

Again, this answer is entirely based on how you view it. From a conspiracy angle or practice angle. Apple has stated that they will not and I trust their word. Else I would not be buying their products.

Can Apple scan your phone for non-cloud data?​

No.

Why not scan hashes on iCloud servers alone like other tech companies ?​

Again, this answer is entirely based on if you view from conspiracy angle or practical angle. Apple has stated that it does not want to scan iCloud libraries because that is more intrusive than scanning hashes locally one by one as opposed to all the files in iCloud. Again, personally I trust their word on this from a technical perspective than most security experts who are looking at it from a functional perspective

IT SCANS THE IMAGE TO CREATE THE HASH.​

 

[tylersdad]

Well, speculate what some of those good intentions might be? Increased revenue because people would applaud Apple's efforts and buy more Apple products/services? Cook's super strong Christian values?

The good intention would be trying to stop the proliferation of child porn, thus preventing the exploitation of minors.

I thought this was pretty obvious.

 

[hasanahmad]

NO NO NO! They have said the scanning happens on device. It doesn't get reported until it's uploaded to the cloud.

They create the hash on device. They read the 1's and 0's of your photos and create a hash. They then compare that hash to the local database (on your phone) of CSAM hashes.

Sounds like YOU don't understand how it works.

This is entering tin foil hat territory now

 

[xxray]

People aren't happy about this because either they are driven by conspiracy or they are partaking in it. After all the promises from Apple, thats the only thing left to say. You either are who Apple wants to catch or you don't trust Apple AT ALL. and if its the second case which is for most of folks here, then leave the ecosystem. its best for everyone I think

My question is, after the long history of corporations and entities in power taking advantage of consumers/people, why are you so willing to trust Apple?

 

[4jasontv]

People aren't happy about this because either they are driven by conspiracy or they are partaking in it. After all the promises from Apple, thats the only thing left to say. You either are who Apple wants to catch or you don't trust Apple AT ALL. and if its the second case which is for most of folks here, then leave the ecosystem. its best for everyone I think

Or they are worried that if they don't stand up for others now no one will be able to speak up for them someday.

 

[januarydrive7]

Yes. I also don't have to use the charging cable it came with, but I still own it. I purchased everything in the box, and with it all the updates it is due. The fact that software is even something that can be sold is insane, but since it is, we have to defend our own consumer rights. To many developers, these days seem to want to act like software is somehow different than the cable the device came with.

(Good) software is typically the result of many hundred if not thousands of hours of work, performed oftentimes by people who spent tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to get an education on how to do said work. You think all of that ought to be freely given? I don't disagree that Apple subsidizes its' software development through device sales, but they decided to have their cake and eat it too, but including terms of service that you, as a consumer, must agree to when you use their software. You don't own their software, and you never have.

 

[tylersdad]

People aren't happy about this because either they are driven by conspiracy or they are partaking in it. After all the promises from Apple, thats the only thing left to say. You either are who Apple wants to catch or you don't trust Apple AT ALL. and if its the second case which is for most of folks here, then leave the ecosystem. its best for everyone I think

It has nothing to do with trust and everything to do with privacy. My content is my content. I do not approve Apple's spyware scanning my content.

 

[fwmireault]

No, it’s pretty clear from your comment that you don’t understand it.

I’ve read many articles and listen to many experts on the question of privacy, and no, what Apple is doing is not perfect on a privacy standpoint (but it could have been worse, and my original comment states that). Are you an expert in cybersecurity? Because I’m not and I like to base my opinion on someone that knows that matter and that I can trust.

 

[citysnaps]

People aren't happy about this because either they are driven by conspiracy or they are partaking in it. After all the promises from Apple, thats the only thing left to say. You either are who Apple wants to catch or you don't trust Apple AT ALL. and if its the second case which is for most of folks here, then leave the ecosystem. its best for everyone I think

And either will drive revenue through the roof, right? Oh, but wait, Apple doesn't care about revenue- it's the children!

Post something that passes the smell test.

 

[hasanahmad]

Or they are worried that if they don't stand up for others now no one will be able to speak up for them someday.

After all the promises from Apple, you either don;'t trust the company at all on their intentions or you are the culprit. After 7 days . video interviews and long technical documents. there are only 2 choices. You either dont trust Apple or you are the issue at hand

 

[cyanite]

Want to know what’s on someone’s phone? Okay well just replace this CSAM database with whatever other database you’re interested in. Done.

You clearly don’t understand how this works and didn’t read, or didn’t understand, the article.

Assuming that everyone who has another viewpoint than yours must be coming from a place of ignorance is a mistake.

Yeeah but.. the majority of people here don’t really understand the feature.

It doesn’t matter how much Apple want to disguise it, it’s surveillance simple as that and on your device not even on their cloud services.

Your last part shows that you don’t understand how it works.

I don't think even they know how it actually works

Of course they do. They also wrote a scientific paper on it.

The irrefutable fact is they're building a back door into their OS... and by the wording of a prior interview, they've been arm twisted by higher powers to do so.

Your claim is very refutable and is not a fact. You just don’t understand how it works and probably didn’t read the article.

Keep dropping documents and interviews, Apple, like we don’t completely understand how any of this works.

I‘d bet a thousand dollars that you don’t.

This technic is dangerous and yes, I understand what you are doing... and I think it's a terrible idea.

Another one…

Do you have access to their code? Do you even know how it works internally? Or you just trust a company ruled by a government that brainwash people like you to give biased opinions like that?.

Try to read the article.

Man this comment section is a complete disaster and I’m only at page 3. Time to do something else. Conspiracy theorists are gonna conspiracy theorize.

 

[januarydrive7]

How do I lose the money I already gave them by not being able to update to an OS I already paid for? Is that the question?

Nope. Reread the question -- nothing about future OS's that you haven't licensed, yet, or really about any OS that you "paid" for.

 

[-DMN-]

Apple

Don’t even start down the road of searching through users content on their device for “illegal things.”**

There is no end to that once you begin




**by illegal things we mean an ever changing subjective list as determined by any number of potential parties

Exactly, case and point!

 

[Mr. Awesome]

Apple said it will have an independent auditor review the system. Are you kidding me?

Respect our Privacy and Human rights.

Apple is really treating us like guinea pigs.

Yes, review the system. Not every picture that the system processes. 🤣🤣🤣 Gosh I don’t know why you’re so concerned about this.

 

[Aragornii]

So, you don't want to know your kids are safe?

It's ought to be an axiomatic statement.

No, I don't want Apple sending my kids' messages. That's quite a leap to "sO yOu DoN'T wAnt TO kNoW yOuR kiDS aRe SAfe?"

 

[mejsric]

They should have just kept quiet about the CSAM thing and added to their iCloud T&C that they would scan for CSAM content. Nobody would have cared.

its a disaster if someone will learned that they secretly scanning on device. They have to tell now and brainwashed the users like now. And of course there’s still a secret we don’t know.

 

[cyanite]

They create the hash on device. They read the 1's and 0's of your photos and create a hash. They then compare that hash to the local database (on your phone) of CSAM hashes.

Sounds like YOU don't understand how it works.

Regardless of that, you don’t at least. The hash is done by local code against a blinded database. The client code never learns of the result and the hash is not sent anywhere, and the result (unknown to the device) is locked with crypto and is also unknown to the server unless you have more than like 30 positives.