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Exactly. People buy Apple b/c it's the privacy focuses option.
Wut.... Apple didnt start this privacy focus until 2014, and it really ramped up in 2018. Apple is 45 years old. What are you talking about ? No mainstream consumer buys Apple devices due to their privacy marketing, they buy it because its easy to use out of the box. Wtf 🤣
 
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Apple can try to educate all they want, but the Apple world will never be the same again. This is official: Apple is rolling out full device scan one step at a time, literally creating the world’s largest surveillance network nefarious governments could only dreamt of, all under some random noble causes to gain general public support.
 
I’ve thought about this a lot and done a lot of reading after I misunderstood it earlier and I still find it outrageous. If Apple wants to go through consumers’ personal information and sell them a device that reports them when it stops from just scanning for illegal child pornography to copyrighted music or material that criticizes whatever current social movement is the new fad in a few years, I’m just going to have to say no thanks to Apple.

They already have an extensive history of licking China’s boots, no doubt that’s exactly where this will all be headed under the guise of the “think of the children” trope. It’s disgusting that this is even being defended like a good thing.
 
Apple can try to educate all they want, but the Apple world will never be the same again. This is official: Apple is rolling out full device scan one step at a time, literally creating the world’s largest surveillance network nefarious governments could only dreamt of, all under some random noble causes to gain general public support.
Full device scan... thats how I know you have no idea what you are talking about :D . Really. creating the worlds largest surveillance network nefarious governments only dreamt of. Apparently the governments were asleep since 2005 and never asked for more data since cloud storage began in 2001. apparently apple scanning is going to give governments the idea they have been thirsting for decades, I mean millions of foreign government officials. why did they never think of slippery slope when scanning iCloud libraries:p
 
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I’ve thought about this a lot and done a lot of reading after I misunderstood it earlier and I still find it outrageous. If Apple wants to go through consumers’ personal information and sell them a device that reports them when it stops from just scanning for illegal child pornography to copyrighted music or material that criticizes whatever current social movement is the new fad in a few years, I’m just going to have to say no thanks to Apple.

They already have an extensive history of licking China’s boots, no doubt that’s exactly where this will all be headed under the guise of the “think of the children” trope. It’s disgusting that this is even being defended like a good thing.
so wait. I just choked laughing at this post...wait wait...

so you mean... that authorities have never asked tech companies to scan their cloud for copyright music or government has never asked tech companies for material that criticizing them but somehow when Apple scans the EXACT same cloud data on phone, it becomes a slippery slope. argh I'm coughing again with that absurdity making me choke. I mean... HAHAHAHA... so its a slippery slope when Apple scans iCloud data but not when its been done since 2005.

HAHAHAHAHA
 
TIL

governments around the world are so insanely dumb, they never asked companies to scan cloud data . They never tried to expand categeories of want to scan..

Remarkable..

its true what they say

Apple is a true trendsetter. Even governments start following Apple's trends not just Samsung . 😂

Apparently , authoritarian governments have been asleep and never asked any company for cloud data. they never asked for more than normal. Apparently apple has woken them up and now they will ask for more than they could ever scan which is everything already. :p
 

macrumour’s own poll results doesn’t seem to support the narrative that Apple is facing widespread criticism, especially when you consider that the people visiting this website tend to be more critical of Apple than the rest of their user base.

Rather than believing that Apple is being tone deaf and refusing to take their head out of the sand, is it possible that Apple is reading their customer base right in that the majority are either indifferent or even supportive of such a move, and what we are seeing here is, once again, a very vocal minority?

By the time iOS 15 rolls out next month, we will probably be surprised that there was even an uproar over this matter.
If that poll is representative at all of broader user opinion, it is an unmitigated disaster. Over 41% are concerned or very concerned. That is enough to move customer satisfaction numbers into the low 80s or 70s. That changes all the Customer Lifetime Value (CLV) equations that Apple runs on.
 
If that poll is representative at all of broader user opinion, it is an unmitigated disaster. Over 41% are concerned or very concerned. That is enough to move customer satisfaction numbers into the low 80s or 70s. That changes all the Customer Lifetime Value (CLV) equations that Apple runs on.
That's what I was thinking -- that's a very high concerned/very concerned rating. No wonder all the Apple people coming out to say how confused we are!
 
Now though I’m actually selling the ones I do have in the secondary market. RIP Apple.

What will you use instead? For technically savvy, Linux could work for a computer, for tablets and phones, however, it is pretty much iOS, Android or nothing. Where Google-driven Android is not exactly a private garden either. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Full device scan... thats how I know you have no idea what you are talking about :D . Really. creating the worlds largest surveillance network nefarious governments only dreamt of. Apparently the governments were asleep since 2005 and never asked for more data since cloud storage began in 2001. apparently apple scanning is going to give governments the idea they have been thirsting for decades, I mean millions of foreign government officials. why did they never think of slippery slope when scanning iCloud libraries:p
Or rather you tunnel vision so hard you have given up foreseeing the trend of how thing would go.
CSAM scans images, which can be repurposed to scan any other type of images in the future. The technology is ready in mass scale.
Next, same technology can be used to scan video with some modification. Or maybe new technology would need to be developed. I dunno, but it's only a matter of time.
Text scan and analysis was and will never be any big deal of a computer as powerful as iPhone 12.
Apple sells devices across hundreds of countries around the world, whereas government generally only has full control over people residing in a city, county etc. Apple as a private company will not need a warrant to search anything on your device and stuff stored over iCloud, whereas warrantless search is not super popular in western countries.
But yeah, just keep holding on what YOU believe, but I hope someone else can get what I want to say.
 
This is precisely why I refuse to buy a Tesla. Because both of these companies are treating your purchases like their own personal property. They can install whatever they feel on it, all in the name of progress and wonderful causes. They don't care about the fact that you purchased it and it's yours, they just see you as a dumb user who is getting in their way to get more money. So it looks like my nearly 3 year old XS Max is going to be the last phone I bought from Apple unless they remove this idiotic nonsense from the new OS.
 
Hey, you can't deny that they know they have to keep peeling back the layers on this one.
Not enough though …

Apple added that it will publish a support document on its website containing a root hash of the encrypted CSAM hash database included with each version of every Apple operating system that supports the feature. Additionally, Apple said users will be able to inspect the root hash of the encrypted database present on their device, and compare it to the expected root hash in the support document. No timeframe was provided for this.


In a memo obtained by Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, Apple said it will have an independent auditor review the system as well. The memo noted that Apple retail employees may be getting questions from customers about the child safety features and linked to a FAQ that Apple shared earlier this week as a resource the employees can use to address the questions and provide more clarity and transparency to customers.

Apple has had a LONG time to provide this root hash already. Just get it done, NOW! Before implementation. Also what DATE is or has this been implemented?!

No more dog-humping … BE TRANSPARENT Apple … NOW! Not tomorrow not later this year. The more you delay the more you’ll be seen as full of doodoo and hiding!

Furthermore, Apple said it will have an independent auditor review the system as well - BUT for how LONG? How OFTEN? Will the team that audits and reviews randomly change to avoid collusion?!

Lastly, please don’t hassle the retail employees on this … most likely they don‘t have a full technical or legal understanding on this, they don’t deserve the stress, anguish and anger towards them. The Executive‘s on the other hand SHOULD.
 
Google and others don't brag about privacy as a selling point.

The way I perceive it, focus on privacy was just one of many Apple’s selling points through the years. They are good psychologists and usually manage to emphasise what people want to hear or what sets them apart from competition.

As others have already mentioned, Apple have been scanning our photos on devices for a while. How do you think facial or animal recognition and grouping works? Then when Apple announced the upcoming text in photos recognition & extraction in iOS 15, were you equally alarmed about this privacy intrusion?

You have several options: remain on iOS/iPadOS 14 and Big Sur, knowing they will still scan your stuff or use other platforms. The only other mobile platform is Android and their privacy/tracking record is way worth than that of Apple. What will you do?
 
Because both of these companies are treating your purchases like their own personal property.
Starting from 2018, all new iPhones are owned by Apple, practically. Starting from Nov 2020, all Macs are owned by Apple, practically.
But, nobody wants to admit that.
So it looks like my nearly 3 year old XS Max is going to be the last phone I bought from Apple unless they remove this idiotic nonsense from the new OS.
Not only they will not remove this "idiotic nonsense", but they will embrace and expand it.
Linux so far is the only way forward for privacy heavy user. But it soon could change when under pressure from governments. Leaded by, you guessed it: Apple.
 
+1. Regarding the purchase of future Apple products, I’m taking a “wait and see” approach. I’ll happily buy the new, large MacBook Pro AND an iPhone 13 Pro Max (if there is such a thing) when Apple backtracks and re-embraces their CES motto of 2019 “what happens on your iPhone STAYS on your iPhone.”
EXACTLY !
 
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So… Were y’all okay with Apple scanning your iCloud library before this announcement? They’ve been doing it for awhile, since 2019 at least.

This has been debunked as a talking point over and over. Repeating it is just trolling.
 
This is pure speculation on my part...

1. Apple doesn't want those images on their servers to begin with.

2. Transmitting those images to Apple's servers would be a separate crime the user has committed. Not that Apple would/should necessarily be concerned. But I have no doubt Apple execs and legal team gamed this out in detail, no doubt with pressure from the government, and this is what they came up with.
If they don't want the images on their servers they should implementing the scan on their servers and not adding spyware to iOS 15.
People using iCloud (I don't store any photos in iCloud and don't use iCloud Keychain) give up some of their privacy because they store their data on a system not owned and because it's not end-to-end encrypted.
Apple just needs to get their fingers off of devices I own!
 
They would need to write new code to have the iPhone back up itself without user consent.

Nope. Few lines of code. Migrate the settings to switch on iCloud backup if it was off and hide the toggle in settings.

Serverside: give everyone enough space for iCloud backups.
 
Exactly. People buy Apple b/c it's the privacy focuses option.

How do you know? There are many other reasons to buy Apple stuff - the cool factor, long-time software support, carrier subsidies, Apple’s own promotions (e.g. Back to School), splitting your payment over many months, excellent guaranty & repair etc. I am not sure that privacy is/was Apple’s main selling point, at least for me.

Anyway, for as long as your device is connected to anything (Internet, intranet, etc.) there is no guaranteed privacy (intentional breach, human error or software/firmware bugs).
 
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