Apple Pay Doubled Mobile Wallet Transactions at Walgreens, Accounted for 50% of Tap-to-Pay Purchases at McDonald's

[Tubamajuba]

I'm amused by some of the responses. I'm happy Apple Pay is making NFC popular... however, there were several posters on this forum (not this thread) who used to poke fun at the fact of how paying for McDonalds and Walgreens/etc via NFC was stupid, not necessary and wasn't anything "special." Oh times change.

Do you hang around here just to poke sticks in the eyes of Apple fans?

For the record, there weren't many users here that were actually making fun of NFC. Lots of people didn't see why it was so amazing at first, but now that they can use it in the iPhone (and the number of retailers that support NFC have increased), they understand why NFC is important.

If you're really going to point fingers at people that changed their minds because of that, then your righteousness should be directed at natural human behavior in general instead of just Apple fans. Humans in all walks of life hold beliefs that eventually change. Calling people out makes it less likely that they will admit they were wrong in the future.

 

[ptb42]

Saying apple pay is 50% of the usage is correct and saying it double the usage is correct.
They basically said the exact same thing just worded it differently.

No, the statement about McDonalds didn't say anything about the change in number of transactions.

If they had 10,000 mobile transactions per day before Pay and 12,000/day afterward, that would be only a 20% increase in transactions. But, if Pay accounted for 6,000 transactions/day, that would be 50% of mobile transactions.

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How does one use ApplePay at a restaurant when a tip amount is expected? Do you tell the server to add a tip to the bill. There's a new restaurant in my area that has servers with mobile NFC (I believe) readers that swipe your card right next to you and print-out a receipt.

When I have used the mobile readers in Europe, they handed me the reader to enter the tip. Some had buttons to add common percentages automatically.

 

[TimelessOne]

No, the statement about McDonalds didn't say anything about the change in number of transactions.

If they had 10,000 mobile transactions per day before Pay and 12,000/day afterward, that would be only a 20% increase in transactions. But, if Pay accounted for 6,000 transactions/day, that would be 50% of mobile transactions.

Difference is this time it is one of those very safe to assume otherwise.

Given how new Apple pay is most of those transaction where new so it nearly doubled the count. They did not take much if any from someone else. Instead they grew the market.

 

[samcraig]

If it's not coming from the same people then I don't see was amusing about it.

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Reminds me of a conversation I had with a Target employee when my local Target's self checkout was unavailable. I was saying how I can't wait for it to come back. I kind of expected them to disagree (as self checkouts are basically putting cashiers out of work) but they completely agreed with me and said they would be so glad when it's back. Self checkout and Pay? Yes, yes, yes!

Do you hang around here just to poke sticks in the eyes of Apple fans?

For the record, there weren't many users here that were actually making fun of NFC. Lots of people didn't see why it was so amazing at first, but now that they can use it in the iPhone (and the number of retailers that support NFC have increased), they understand why NFC is important.

If you're really going to point fingers at people that changed their minds because of that, then your righteousness should be directed at natural human behavior in general instead of just Apple fans. Humans in all walks of life hold beliefs that eventually change. Calling people out makes it less likely that they will admit they were wrong in the future.

Wow -clearly hit some nerve. It's amusing because while no one specific in this thread - there was a general mood within the forums that someone talking about using NFC to pay for their cheeseburger was relegating to being silly and something only geeks would be proud to talk about.

I'm very happy Apple Pay has made NFC more ubiquitous and accepted behavior. That doesn't change the fact that there are those that only seem to like or approve of something that THEY can do - any other feature or benefit is "not needed" or silly.

Apple pay and the security around it definitely makes it a great solution. I also would like to see long term usage. I think it's natural that Apple Payments are HIGH at launch because people are trying it out. Hopefully #s continue. You know - people use their phones and features a lot within the first few weeks because it's a new "toy." I am in no way dismissing the value or usage of Apple Pay. I'm just looking forward to seeing adoption and usage rates.

ETA - your statement is indeed telling though. I bolded the interesting part. It says it all. Until the iPhone could do it - iPhone users didn't see value. Isn't that what I was pointing out? Also - FYI - Prior to Apple Pay, NFC payments were accepted at 200K locations in the US. Apple announced that at the time of Apple Pay's launch, there were 220K places. So yes - more places, but only 10% percent more. iPhone users didn't notice it because they couldn't do it. And Google was never big on advertising it like Apple because it was a cost center for them - not a profit center.

 

[TimelessOne]

Do you hang around here just to poke sticks in the eyes of Apple fans?

For the record, there weren't many users here that were actually making fun of NFC. Lots of people didn't see why it was so amazing at first, but now that they can use it in the iPhone (and the number of retailers that support NFC have increased), they understand why NFC is important.

If you're really going to point fingers at people that changed their minds because of that, then your righteousness should be directed at natural human behavior in general instead of just Apple fans. Humans in all walks of life hold beliefs that eventually change. Calling people out makes it less likely that they will admit they were wrong in the future.

No he more pointing out a lot of people are what fall under the name iSheep. It sucks unless apple is doing it. If Apple does not have it then it must suck.

 

[cocky jeremy]

50% is really good considering only iPhones out the last two months have this ability while hundreds of Android phones have it. I'd say it'll grow over time by a pretty good amount. I'd say another 2-4 years once all people have upgraded to 6/Plus models or newer.

 

[ptb42]

Difference is this time it is one of those very safe to assume otherwise.

You may believe your assumption is correct, but that doesn't make it so in the absence of evidence.

 

[Tubamajuba]

Wow -clearly hit some nerve. It's amusing because while no one specific in this thread - there was a general mood within the forums that someone talking about using NFC to pay for their cheeseburger was relegating to being silly and something only geeks would be proud to talk about.

I'm very happy Apple Pay has made NFC more ubiquitous and accepted behavior. That doesn't change the fact that there are those that only seem to like or approve of something that THEY can do - any other feature or benefit is "not needed" or silly.

Apple pay and the security around it definitely makes it a great solution. I also would like to see long term usage. I think it's natural that Apple Payments are HIGH at launch because people are trying it out. Hopefully #s continue. You know - people use their phones and features a lot within the first few weeks because it's a new "toy." I am in no way dismissing the value or usage of Apple Pay. I'm just looking forward to seeing adoption and usage rates.

ETA - your statement is indeed telling though. I bolded the interesting part. It says it all. Until the iPhone could do it - iPhone users didn't see value. Isn't that what I was pointing out? Also - FYI - Prior to Apple Pay, NFC payments were accepted at 200K locations in the US. Apple announced that at the time of Apple Pay's launch, there were 220K places. So yes - more places, but only 10% percent more. iPhone users didn't notice it because they couldn't do it. And Google was never big on advertising it like Apple because it was a cost center for them - not a profit center.

Again, there were certainly some people around here that scoffed at those that used NFC. But nowhere near enough to be considered the "general mood". In my eyes, the general mood was that of apathy. Which, as we both agree on, changed when Apple Pay was announced and people here began to use it. But I already addressed this comment: "Until the iPhone could do it - iPhone users didn't see value." Like I said, it's not just iPhone users, it's human nature. For example, I don't think I need a new car right now. When I get a new car to replace it, I'll wonder how I ever used my old car. Does that make me especially awful? More in line with our discussion, most Android fans didn't seem to care about how responsive Android's UI was- until Google drastically improved UI responsiveness from 4.0 onwards. Even though it was something Apple had all along, Android fans were excited about their OS becoming smoother. And there's nothing wrong with that- it's human nature to not appreciate something until you see how it benefits you.

So again, why is it such a big deal when people change their minds? I'd much rather people change their minds than dig their feet into the ground even more.

No he more pointing out a lot of people are what fall under the name iSheep. It sucks unless apple is doing it. If Apple does not have it then it must suck.

Are you surprised that there are users on an Apple forum that universally prefer Apple products? Good luck avoiding that... on an Apple forum.

 

[samcraig]

LFor example, I don't think I need a new car right now. When I get a new car to replace it, I'll wonder how I ever used my old car. Does that make me especially awful?

Where did I say anyone was awful for doing so. I merely pointed out that I found it amusing. I think if someone thinks of themselves as awful, foolish, or whatever - that's their issue, don't make it mine. I never said that anyone that said it was anything.

And that's a horrible analogy - even without needing a new car, you know what the benefits are of a new car and would likely not be apathetic towards someone who told you they just got a new car and told you some of the features.

 

[Trapezoid]

Apple was at the right place at the right time
The industry was already leaning towards using nfc payments en masse
This is just the US, the rest of the milky way galaxy already uses nfc

Did I miss anything

As per the norm, apple makes things standard

 

[TimelessOne]

Are you surprised that there are users on an Apple forum that universally prefer Apple products? Good luck avoiding that... on an Apple forum.

You are confusing preference with anything apple is not doing must suck.
It sucks until apple announce they are doing it then it is the best thing since slice bread.
I mean widgets is a good example. People bash them on Android a lot around here for blank reason. Still do.

Apple puts something like it and it is better. Another good one from the past is when the iPhone did not support mms. Oh that one was rich among the iSheep group saying mms sucks. Apple adds it and OMG it is so great again to the point they brought down the networks over it.
There is a difference between apathy of things you do not have to flat out bashing those items.

 

[tmiw]

The point is to have a phone that doesn't need the card.

Or at least to have a card that shows what you've spent.

Google Wallet has shown itself to be unreliable for me and switching carriers to get Softcard or buying an iPhone 6 aren't realistic options for me right now. Which is why I want NFC enabled cards too.

(BTW, every card has online banking which shows pending and posted transactions, so you can easily see what you've spent.)

 

[mfvisuals]

Users in these stats have the newest iPhone 6, a highly sought after premium device. Its users demand the best.

Not willing to get better food than McDonalds.

Oye....

The "low-end" iPhone 6 with 16GB storage is probably what most of these McDonalds frequenters are using.

And anyway, you can get that for $100 or less with a contract.

I think it's misleading to call it "premium". It's more like a high quality device that has varying high and low price points.

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You are confusing preference with anything apple is not doing must suck.
It sucks until apple announce they are doing it then it is the best thing since slice bread.
I mean widgets is a good example. People bash them on Android a lot around here for blank reason. Still do.

Apple puts something like it and it is better. Another good one from the past is when the iPhone did not support mms. Oh that one was rich among the iSheep group saying mms sucks. Apple adds it and OMG it is so great again to the point they brought down the networks over it.
There is a difference between apathy of things you do not have to flat out bashing those items.

And ironically, several years later, Apple came out with an MMS/SMS alternative (iMessage) that I would wager to say most iPhone users use on a regular basis as a substitute/compliment for SMS/MMS.

 

[Trapezoid]

I'm amused by some of the responses. I'm happy Apple Pay is making NFC popular... however, there were several posters on this forum (not this thread) who used to poke fun at the fact of how paying for McDonalds and Walgreens/etc via NFC was stupid, not necessary and wasn't anything "special." Oh times change.

Weren't there several posters who also said they thought nfc was cool and wished apple had it?

 

[Tubamajuba]

Where did I say anyone was awful for doing so. I merely pointed out that I found it amusing. I think if someone thinks of themselves as awful, foolish, or whatever - that's their issue, don't make it mine. I never said that anyone that said it was anything.

And that's a horrible analogy - even without needing a new car, you know what the benefits are of a new car and would likely not be apathetic towards someone who told you they just got a new car and told you some of the features.

My "especially awful" comment came across as more sarcastic than I intended it to be. I was trying to say that your initial comment about Apple fans changing their mind had a negative tone to it- as if there was something wrong about changing their minds.

Regarding the analogy (which yes, I now see was counterproductive), the point I'm trying to make is this- I, like most other human beings, hold certain beliefs about things. Beliefs that are formed by the experiences I have and the information I gather. At some point, I will either have new experiences or gather new information that may cause me to change some of my beliefs. Nothing wrong with that.

You are confusing preference with anything apple is not doing must suck.
It sucks until apple announce they are doing it then it is the best thing since slice bread.
I mean widgets is a good example. People bash them on Android a lot around here for blank reason. Still do.

Apple puts something like it and it is better. Another good one from the past is when the iPhone did not support mms. Oh that one was rich among the iSheep group saying mms sucks. Apple adds it and OMG it is so great again to the point they brought down the networks over it.
There is a difference between apathy of things you do not have to flat out bashing those items.

You're ignoring that in many of the cases where Apple is late to the party, they really do introduce products that trump whatever the competition was offering. Not always, but frequently.

Still, you are right that there is a difference between apathy and negativity. I find it unproductive to bash what Apple's competitors are doing, just as I find it unproductive to bash what Apple is doing. It takes so much less effort to just like what you like and not care about the things you don't when it comes to something as trivial as technology companies.

 

[Born Again]

I was at cvs and it worked! But it was declined on the register

 

[samcraig]

You are confusing preference with anything apple is not doing must suck.
It sucks until apple announce they are doing it then it is the best thing since slice bread.
I mean widgets is a good example. People bash them on Android a lot around here for blank reason. Still do.

Apple puts something like it and it is better. Another good one from the past is when the iPhone did not support mms. Oh that one was rich among the iSheep group saying mms sucks. Apple adds it and OMG it is so great again to the point they brought down the networks over it.
There is a difference between apathy of things you do not have to flat out bashing those items.

Let us not forget cut and paste. But you know - who wanted to use a blackberry. Much better to use an iPhone and claim cut and paste wasn't a big deal anyway

Weren't there several posters who also said they thought nfc was cool and wished apple had it?

I am sure there were. However, I believe they were a vocal minority. And I never said it was everyone. I said the general tone.

 

[Trapezoid]

I am sure there were. However, I believe they were a vocal minority. And I never said it was everyone. I said the general tone.

Yeah probably. The loudest people are almost always the ACTUAL minority, though. Doesnt make sense to apply what they say as "general". Shrugs

 

[Karma*Police]

When will we start to see it advertised by the retailers with signs "Apple Pay Accepted Here!" I've used it at about 6 different McDonald's and every time the employee comments that I was the first person they'd seen ever use it usually with a "that's so cool" comment.

I got the same reaction from a Subway employee. What Apple pulled off is very impressive.. it's just so quick and drop dead simple even I was like, "is that it?" the first time I used it.

 

[samcraig]

My "especially awful" comment came across as more sarcastic than I intended it to be. I was trying to say that your initial comment about Apple fans changing their mind had a negative tone to it- as if there was something wrong about changing their minds.

Regarding the analogy (which yes, I now see was counterproductive), the point I'm trying to make is this- I, like most other human beings, hold certain beliefs about things. Beliefs that are formed by the experiences I have and the information I gather. At some point, I will either have new experiences or gather new information that may cause me to change some of my beliefs. Nothing wrong with that.

Hey - I get it. I also find it amusing that those that do change their mind sometimes can't admit it. As if their previous opinions (or post) don't exist. Not saying you. Not saying most.

Ego aside (honestly) I saw no point in the iPad (for me) and couldn't think of any reason why I would own one. Cut to launch day and since there was no line at my local best buy - I bought one because I was headed out for a trip and figured it might be nice to have to watch videos vs bringing my latop.

I quickly hopped on here and professed my hypocrisy.

I'm not saying that others don't do that or that someone needs to. But I can be amused when I see so many comment about the awesomeness of Apple pay on a forum where many people thought it was a silly feature.

Those taking my comment personally might want to stop and think why they are "offended" or have such a gut reaction to the comment. I didn't call these people iSheep or any names. I said I was amused by the change in conversation. It's amusing. If you don't find it amusing - hey - that's ok too. But no need to pee in my cheerios lol

 

[rlewisphilly]

ApplePay-way okay!

I have run into only one glitch. It's frustrating that some stores still require a signature after charge approval. (over $50 I believe) But I have flawlessly used Applepay at Petsmart, Walgreens and Wholefoods. as others have posted; both other customers and employees are amazed by the process.
I have become "brave" enough to go out without my wallet to make a purchase at these places. nice and easy, and less to carry around.

 

[satcomer]

Apple was at the right place at the right time
The industry was already leaning towards using nfc payments en masse
This is just the US, the rest of the milky way galaxy already uses nfc

Did I miss anything

As per the norm, apple makes things standard

Then you should push your banks and Government Representatives to makes deals with Apple to accept. Do don't just look at Apple because it takes two to tango.

 

[Trapezoid]

Hey - I get it. I also find it amusing that those that do change their mind sometimes can't admit it. As if their previous opinions (or post) don't exist. Not saying you. Not saying most.

Ego aside (honestly) I saw no point in the iPad (for me) and couldn't think of any reason why I would own one. Cut to launch day and since there was no line at my local best buy - I bought one because I was headed out for a trip and figured it might be nice to have to watch videos vs bringing my latop.

I quickly hopped on here and professed my hypocrisy.

I'm not saying that others don't do that or that someone needs to. But I can be amused when I see so many comment about the awesomeness of Apple pay on a forum where many people thought it was a silly feature.

Those taking my comment personally might want to stop and think why they are "offended" or have such a gut reaction to the comment. I didn't call these people iSheep or any names. I said I was amused by the change in conversation. It's amusing. If you don't find it amusing - hey - that's ok too. But no need to pee in my cheerios lol

Your entitled to be amused, of course. Just like I'm entitled to be amused that there are people out there who are amused by differing opinions. Lol.

 

[samcraig]

Your entitled to be amused, of course. Just like I'm entitled to be amused that there are people out there who are amused by differing opinions. Lol.

Happy to amuse!

 

[palmerc2]

The "low-end" iPhone 6 with 16GB storage is probably what most of these McDonalds frequenters are using.

And anyway, you can get that for $100 or less with a contract.

I think it's misleading to call it "premium". It's more like a high quality device that has varying high and low price points.

I thought I was literal but man you take the cake!