Apple PDA Rumors

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by jadam
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
thats the most BS ive ever seen. Umm the Palm IIIC is only 18mhz, has a 256color screen(8bit) and THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU COULD HOOK UP A HARD DRIVE TO A PALM IIIC, it has no expansion ports, other than the 115kbs Serial Port. This is definetly a hacked job, not to mention, Palm IIIc's cant play videos, well, they can, but only at like 7fps. So this is complete Bull****!.

now, if he was running this video ona PocketPC, it would be more believable, Since On PocketPC's you can hook up Toshiba 10gb Hard drives or IBM 1GB Microdrives, and they run @ 206mhz and have 16bit(65,000) color screens. he could of easily have been playing a DivX movie on it, but there is no way in hell. Not to mention, dont you gusy think that interface would be a little TOO cluttered for a PDA?? i mean seriously. OH YEAH!!! DUMB ASSES DID I FORGET TO MENTION, THE PALM IIIC ONLY HAS A 160X160 RESOLUTION. How sharp is the screen in that picture?? it looks like 1024x768 on a 2" screen, now that is COMPLETE BS. You guys just dont know your hardware well enough. BTW, if they could run OSX on that hardware, then they would be still selling Classic Macs, as they have the SAME processors, and probally BETTER video cards.

FFS mate, chill!
We don't know our hardware well enough?
I think there are some people here including myself who will have something to say about that little outburst.

We know it is probably a fake, but still it is very impressive.
There is no need for you to slag us all off for talking about it.

 

[mrwalker]

The video shows a VNC (Virtual Network Computing) client running on a Palm. VNC servers (free) exist on just about any operating system, and obviously now also on MacOS X. I have been running them myself on both Mac and Windows, with clients on Mac, Windows and Palm.

 

[jadam]

maybe i should of changed that to MOST of you dont know your hardware. I know there are some very technical savvy people here. Like AlphaTech. hehe.

 

[topicolo]

Originally posted by jadam
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
thats the most BS ive ever seen. Umm the Palm IIIC is only 18mhz, has a 256color screen(8bit) and THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU COULD HOOK UP A HARD DRIVE TO A PALM IIIC, it has no expansion ports, other than the 115kbs Serial Port. This is definetly a hacked job, not to mention, Palm IIIc's cant play videos, well, they can, but only at like 7fps. So this is complete Bull****!.

now, if he was running this video ona PocketPC, it would be more believable, Since On PocketPC's you can hook up Toshiba 10gb Hard drives or IBM 1GB Microdrives, and they run @ 206mhz and have 16bit(65,000) color screens. he could of easily have been playing a DivX movie on it, but there is no way in hell. Not to mention, dont you gusy think that interface would be a little TOO cluttered for a PDA?? i mean seriously. OH YEAH!!! DUMB ASSES DID I FORGET TO MENTION, THE PALM IIIC ONLY HAS A 160X160 RESOLUTION. How sharp is the screen in that picture?? it looks like 1024x768 on a 2" screen, now that is COMPLETE BS. You guys just dont know your hardware well enough. BTW, if they could run OSX on that hardware, then they would be still selling Classic Macs, as they have the SAME processors, and probally BETTER video cards.

I agree, there's no way in hell that Mac OS X will run on a 68k based dragonball, but have you considered the possibility that that isn't a dragonball running in the palm? The guy could have a g3 rigged up underneath that IIIc case. I think it IS possible to mod an apple mobo to fit in one of those cases and it's extremely hard to face something like that. I mean, the guy was picking up and moving the device around.

 

[jadam]

Originally posted by mrwalker
The video shows a VNC (Virtual Network Computing) client running on a Palm. VNC servers (free) exist on just about any operating system, and obviously now also on MacOS X. I have been running them myself on both Mac and Windows, with clients on Mac, Windows and Palm.

and tell me, how are you going to connect to that PC without experiencing severe screen lag?? remember, the Palm IIIc only has a 115kbs serial port. at 115kbs you would experience extreme lag. And notice the resolution in that picture?? is that POSSIBLE on a 160x160 screen?? I think not, not to mention the colors, tooooooo many colors for a 256color screen. Ive used one, and thats just fake. Not to mention, he HOOKED UP A HARD DRIVE?? come on!

 

[michaelyoung]

hello?

I do visual effects for televison using Final Cut. With some free time I could do that video in Final Cut fairly easily. (the dock could be keyed in as its own layer)

My money is on this as a fake. The way I would do this is:

1.Make a movie using elements of osX
2.Find a shell of the cheapest PDA i could find. (gee he _did_ do that!)
3.Place a cheap LCD through the opening of my PDA shell.
4.Rehearse interaction with on screen icons
5.Set up my camera and record!

As video (and compositing) proliferates we will all get better at calling the fakes. (Like most of us do now with photoshop).

From a purely logical standpoint _look at how much screen real estate is taken up by the navigation bar!!!!!_ apple would never waste that much space on a PDA screen.

 

[jadam]

Originally posted by topicolo


I agree, there's no way in hell that Mac OS X will run on a 68k based dragonball, but have you considered the possibility that that isn't a dragonball running in the palm? The guy could have a g3 rigged up underneath that IIIc case. I think it IS possible to mod an apple mobo to fit in one of those cases and it's extremely hard to face something like that. I mean, the guy was picking up and moving the device around.

then why didnt he just use a brand new device then:?? I seriously dont know of ANY screens that are capable of those resolutions on such a small area. Why didnt he just use a pocketpc then?? I mean seriously, wait 1 week, when i get my Mac, and ill make a video of my PocketPC running VNC with my Mac over 802.11b and clame its a brand new Apple PDA. and seriously... u have to remember, Mac OS X ONLY runs on Apple certified hardware. If he did hook up a G3, where did he get his Video card from?? how about RAM?? this guy just did a good photoshop job

 

[Draft]

If this is real, that's amazing! Even if it's not, I want one!

Draft

 

[jadam]

Re: hello?

Originally posted by michaelyoung
I do visual effects for televison using Final Cut. With some free time I could do that video in Final Cut fairly easily. (the dock could be keyed in as its own layer)

My money is on this as a fake. The way I would do this is:

1.Make a movie using elements of osX
2.Find a shell of the cheapest PDA i could find. (gee he _did_ do that!)
3.Place a cheap LCD through the opening of my PDA shell.
4.Rehearse interaction with on screen icons
5.Set up my camera and record!

As video (and compositing) proliferates we will all get better at calling the fakes. (Like most of us do now with photoshop).

From a purely logical standpoint _look at how much screen real estate is taken up by the navigation bar!!!!!_ apple would never waste that much space on a PDA screen.

and exactly, WHY WOULD APPLE USE UP THAT MUCH SPACE ON A PDA?? they want to make a good PDA not some BS.. To tell you the truth, i liked that old Apple iWalk Video from SpyMac, it looked authentic, but we know it was fake. But at least that video made up a brand new GUI.

 

[theranch]

Re: Re: hello?

Originally posted by jadam
and exactly, WHY WOULD APPLE USE UP THAT MUCH SPACE ON A PDA?? they want to make a good PDA not some BS.. To tell you the truth, i liked that old Apple iWalk Video from SpyMac, it looked authentic, but we know it was fake. But at least that video made up a brand new GUI.

I don't think that Apple would make the PDA like this...I think the video is to just show the OS and it capabilities. Did anyone notice the dock icons...do they look a little different? http://home.no.net/macosx/PICT0002.jpg You can see the icons in that link to the pic. These videos look more real than the iwalk ones...those were really bad. This could be a fake PDA OS but it looks alot better than the iwalk videos.

after edit...
I watched the video double sized again you can see the glow of the screen on the stylus and his hand when he writes near the end of the first video. There is glare on the screen also and you can see the red recording light of his camera.
If it is a video it is running from the HD.
It has certainly peaked my interest but I know that we all got fed up with the iwalk/pda posts.

 

[puffmarvin]

a challenge

here is a challenge to jadam and all the others who claim this is so easy to do:

i challenge you to make a 'fake' video that is the exact same as this or better if it so easy to do😱 . of course we will have to wait a week until you get your mac but once you do, it should be rather simple, no?

yes i believe it is fake.
no i dont think it is as easy as some think it is.
no i have no idea how this person did these videos.
yes its interesting, etc etc etc.

if you all notice, during the startup it says "starting apache, checking for missed tasks, etc." i doubt this would be on a pda... am i wrong?

 

[michaelyoung]

Re: Re: Re: hello?

Originally posted by theranch


Did anyone notice the dock icons...do they look a little different? [

maybe because the dock is the only part of the interface that needed to be completely faked and repositioned...

 

[theranch]

Re: Re: Re: Re: hello?

Originally posted by michaelyoung


maybe because the dock is the only part of the interface that needed to be completely faked and repositioned...

They're positioned properly...they do pop up on startup also but the person in the video doesn't use them. That is what I'd like to see.

 

[michaelyoung]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hello?

Originally posted by theranch


They're positioned properly...they do pop up on startup also but the person in the video doesn't use them. That is what I'd like to see.

sorry, here's what i mean.

the video of the os could be shot/captured as one layer.
the video of the dock coming in could be keyed in as on separate layer.
the position is fine what i was saying is that you would have to create a nother layer and move it into positon then key it in to look like a real dock

the fact that the dock is not interacted with confirms (to me) the fact that this is a fake layer....

if i had time to do this i would believe me..it would be fun to see how good i could make it...it would take me a couple of days im sure..

 

[beatle888]

wrong wrong wrong

in my opinion, just look at the interface.
Apple would taylor the interface to the
device and this has not been done.
The interface just looks scaled down
in size to fit the screen. I doubt that
Apple would take such a wham bam
thank you ma'm approach.

 

[theranch]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hello?

Originally posted by michaelyoung


sorry, here's what i mean.

the video of the os could be shot/captured as one layer.
the video of the dock coming in could be keyed in as on separate layer.
the position is fine what i was saying is that you would have to create a nother layer and move it into positon then key it in to look like a real dock

the fact that the dock is not interacted with confirms (to me) the fact that this is a fake layer....

if i had time to do this i would believe me..it would be fun to see how good i could make it...it would take me a couple of days im sure..

I hear ya...I'm sure that you could do this. I agree... and the fact that he doesn't interact with the doc? He winds up opening the terminal program...it looks like there is a terminal icon in the doc..8th from the left. http://home.no.net/macosx/PICT0002.jpg

It could very well be fake but I would be interested in buying one.
At the same time...we already got worn out on the iWalk.

 

[firewire2001]

here is a challenge to jadam and all the others who claim this is so easy to do:

i challenge you to make a 'fake' video that is the exact same as this or better if it so easy to do . of course we will have to wait a week until you get your mac but once you do, it should be rather simple, no?

yeah.. geeze jadam.. your totally flipping out and being so negative... and gosh, if you think its so easy you outta do that yerself... i mean, even hook up yer stupid pocketpc and do it... how would you make the screen res that size.. its not THAT easy..

 

[hackamacj]

Look at the Picture

Ok, I see where you guys are coming from, Man I wish I had one of these too. But it seems soo fake. Look at the dock, I used tinkertool and some special settings to hide the dock outline, so he could have used it that way. Ok, I am looking at it, the picture I mean, and I am seeing as to how Apple is going to do Wireless Internet on these things. I mean iChat requires some sort of internet connection, as well as Mail, dosen't it? Another thing, would apple seriously put their little "Mac OS X Updates" springy icon next to the trash, wouldn't they take it off just to save space. I mean how many people delete that thing, raise your hands? *Raises Hand* I delete it right off the bat. Plus, are they expecting us to have our music on there, with iTunes and even sherlock, you can't tell me there is that many file on the system that I need to search for "Addresses". Oh, sure, I'll play chess on a 2x2 inch screen, YEAH RIGHT!!!! HELL NO!!! I hardly play chess on my Titanium, let alone a 2x2 inch screen. This stuff is just wasting space, if its real, which I am assuming it isn't. Somebody got a hold of Jaguar, and did a stunt, but GOD KNOWS How Much I want this machine to be a part of my digital hub. Another thing, somebody before, I forgot his name mentioned Palm & Handsprings stock. Those companies are forever going to be a PDA company(s) and Apple has diversified into the world of computers, signaling that they can create PDAs, plus they already had their IPO when the market was successful, meaning that the stock price will hold, or go up.

 

[theranch]

Re: Look at the Picture

Originally posted by hackamacj
Ok, I see where you guys are coming from, Man I wish I had one of these too. But it seems soo fake. Look at the dock, I used tinkertool and some special settings to hide the dock outline, so he could have used it that way. Ok, I am looking at it, the picture I mean, and I am seeing as to how Apple is going to do Wireless Internet on these things. I mean iChat requires some sort of internet connection, as well as Mail, dosen't it? Another thing, would apple seriously put their little "Mac OS X Updates" springy icon next to the trash, wouldn't they take it off just to save space. I mean how many people delete that thing, raise your hands? *Raises Hand* I delete it right off the bat. Plus, are they expecting us to have our music on there, with iTunes and even sherlock, you can't tell me there is that many file on the system that I need to search for "Addresses". Oh, sure, I'll play chess on a 2x2 inch screen, YEAH RIGHT!!!! HELL NO!!! I hardly play chess on my Titanium, let alone a 2x2 inch screen. This stuff is just wasting space, if its real, which I am assuming it isn't. Somebody got a hold of Jaguar, and did a stunt, but GOD KNOWS How Much I want this machine to be a part of my digital hub. Another thing, somebody before, I forgot his name mentioned Palm & Handsprings stock. Those companies are forever going to be a PDA company(s) and Apple has diversified into the world of computers, signaling that they can create PDAs, plus they already had their IPO when the market was successful, meaning that the stock price will hold, or go up.

Good points...and I never use chess and wouldn't on a PDA...

 

[elgruga]

Quiet sunday afternoon...and then.....

Apple PDA rumor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My sunday quiet has been shattered!

Is the iWalk really coming? The return of the Newton, kind-of, but better?

The evidence mounts: that inkwell software thing, this announcement, the perfect completion of the "digital hub".......

Profits? Well the ipod is doing ok for Apple. If they charge $500 USD and up (and they will) for this new PDA, it should be enough to generate profits.
Apple isnt a PDA co., so they dont have the same profitability problems that Palm etc. do.

And we all know that when they make this PDA, it will be better than any other PDA ever made.

I believe this rumor, I feel certain that this is a smart move for Apple, and I WILL buy one.

Hell, I have bought everything else they ever made......(well except for the TAM and the cube - I do have limits)

 

[clonenode]

This thing is missing one key factor: the Apple asthetic. Look how big the GUI elements appear. There's now way the red, yellow and green window buttons would need to bug as big as tey are shown.

There is a lack of elegance here that says: Fake!

 

[boobers]

palm

seriously..apple is not going to make anything that looks like a palm..first off i bet anyone 50 bux the new newton will have a horizontal screen..it makes sense..why would they try and cram osx on a vertically positioned screen? They wouldn't! I really hope that the new handheld is somewhere between the tablet and pda rumors in that the screen size is somewhat bigger..so not a palm sized device! perhaps two palms but not one. I'm thinkin 4x5 inch screen.
boobers

 

[kainjow]

OK guys, face it. This is a fake. It's obvious just by looking at the GUI. If Apple were to make a PDA it would look more like the iPod's GUI. Also, InkWell is not for a PDA but most likely for a new TiBook or iBook with touch sensitive screen or trackpad or something. That's why it's in OS X. Apple didn't announce just InkWell, they announced InkWell AND Jaguar. If this PDA thingy was real, it wouldn't be running off a hard drive that big and it wouldn't be running on a Palm. Face it, it's fake, you're fake, we're all fake.

 

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by kainjow
OK guys, face it. This is a fake. It's obvious just by looking at the GUI. If Apple were to make a PDA it would look more like the iPod's GUI. Also, InkWell is not for a PDA but most likely for a new TiBook or iBook with touch sensitive screen or trackpad or something. That's why it's in OS X. Apple didn't announce just InkWell, they announced InkWell AND Jaguar. If this PDA thingy was real, it wouldn't be running off a hard drive that big and it wouldn't be running on a Palm. Face it, it's fake, you're fake, we're all fake.

Devils Advocate- The PDA IS running Jag-wire.

 

[britboy]

Re: Look at the Picture

Originally posted by hackamacj
Another thing, somebody before, I forgot his name mentioned Palm & Handsprings stock. Those companies are forever going to be a PDA company(s) and Apple has diversified into the world of computers, signaling that they can create PDAs, plus they already had their IPO when the market was successful, meaning that the stock price will hold, or go up.

I wasn't trying to suggest that a forray into the PDA market would cause apples' stock to plummet. What i was meaning to say was that the PDA market is clearly not strong enough to warrant interest from apple. How many people do you know that actually use their PDA (that is, if you know anyone with a PDA. None of my friends/acquaitances do).

You might argue that the market needs a killer PDA, something that would actually be useful and not just an expensive notepad, and that apple *could* create such a device. I don't think that's going to happen though.

Edit: *If* there were to be an apple-branded PDA, i will gladly eat humble-pie. I don't think it's going to be happening in a hurry though.