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Exactly! My iPad Mini Gen 1 was more expensive.

The Apple Pencil I bought alongside it and Logitech crayon I bought last month to use instead at work (I don’t trust the pencil with youngsters) were almost more expensive...
 
Yeah the design is neat, but I don't like the fact that there is cut content on the rounded corners. If you watch a movie or play a game that's fitted to an ipad screen, you're going to miss a small amount of content. This sucks. Style over function, that's the way it goes with Apple these days it seems...
Video probably defaults to letterbox, like the iPhone X series, and expands to cropped fullscreen when double-tapped.
 
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I postponed Apple Pencil order for 2 months to get Apple Pencil 2 for the low cost iPad 2018... I hope it will be compatible.

I'm sure it will be compatible. The question is whether all the new features will work on the old iPads, or if a new on is required. I feel pretty confident that there will be a way to charge it without the new iPad, even if it means buying a Qi charging mat.
 
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Hopefully it's compatible with older iPads and charges wirelessly rather than relying on the smart connector.

I’m guessing the new Pencil will only work with the new iPad Pro. How else is Apple going to get you to buy all new gear?

The current Pencil probably won’t work on the new iPad either...and vice versa. I hope I’m wrong, but I think Apple wants to truly distinguish entry level and Pro lines.
 
'Minimalist design'. Sigh. I guess that rules out the possibility of a rocker-type switch like the Wacom Stylus have. Too Pro for Jony Ive most likely.

One day I hope to see Apple grow some balls again in the Power user/Visual creative market and release a 30"+ 5-8K drawing tablet. Like the Wacom Cintiq or Dell Canvas, but with Apple's finesse and style.


Am I the only one wishing they'd make the pencil compatible with the (magic) trackpads?

Nope. I think it's a no-brainer. That would actually justify the overly large trackpads.
 
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I’m guessing the new Pencil will only work with the new iPad Pro. How else is Apple going to get you to buy all new gear?

The current Pencil probably won’t work on the new iPad either...and vice versa. I hope I’m wrong, but I think Apple wants to truly distinguish entry level and Pro lines.

Nah. Limiting compatibility like that would mean a radical redesign of the technology, and I'm not sure why they'd need to do that.
 
I like how easy it is to quick charge my pencil by plugging it into my iPad. I really hope they don’t do some wireless-only thing. I don’t want to take another charger with me. Just make the eraser cover over the lighting plug be smart enough to erase.
 
What if we are all thinking a little too old fashioned and the new pencil doesn’t need to be charged at all??? I have smoke alarms with a 10 year lithium battery in them. A pencil would need very little power so perhaps a very tiny lithium battery to power it for the life of the pencil?

Maybe the new pencil will just need a small amount of power and it can get that from the new built in wireless charging loop in the iPad during normal use?

Probably way off here, but Apple can surprise us from time to time and leap frog over convential thinking at times.
 
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I like how easy it is to quick charge my pencil by plugging it into my iPad. I really hope they don’t do some wireless-only thing. I don’t want to take another charger with me. Just make the eraser cover over the lighting plug be smart enough to erase.
It’ll charge by magnetically connecting to your iPad. Easy peasy.
 
What if we are all thinking a little too old fashioned and the new pencil doesn’t need to be charged at all??? I have smoke alarms with a 10 year lithium battery in them. A pencil would need very little power so perhaps a very tiny lithium battery to power it for the life of the pencil?

Maybe the new pencil will just need a small amount of power and it can get that from the new built in wireless charging loop in the iPad during normal use?

Probably way off here, but Apple can surprise us from time to time and leap frog over convential thinking at times.

Wacom tablet pencils don't need to be charged...
 
The tap & swipe gestures sound cool. But I am actually most excited for the possible magnetic/wireless charging. The old charging method on the first gen Apple Pencil always kinda freaked me out. Sticking out of the end of your iPad like that...just itching to get snapped off. Lol. Me being the klutz that I am...I know i would have lost more than one Apple Pencil that way. Glad I held out upgrading my old iPad to a pro one until now. New iPad Pro. New Apple Pencil, and new AirPods. Can’t wait till mañana.
 
You can laugh all you want on his comment, but he does have a point - one I've pointed out before, myself. Not so much for playing games, but most certainly for editing photos.
Yeah so much for this being a "pro" product huh? -_-
 
Indeed. A huge boon over the Apple pencil. And from what I hear, they (Wacom) have that technology patented so thoroughly, there's basically no way around it.
Wacom has had those thing for so long that the fundamental patents would be expired by now. He real issue is the trade offs between making the screen more complicated vs making the pencil more complicated.
 
Wacom has had those thing for so long that the fundamental patents would be expired by now. He real issue is the trade offs between making the screen more complicated vs making the pencil more complicated.

I have no idea about the length of their patents. Is there any source regarding their possible expiration?
Didn't Dell license Wacom's tech to use in their Canvas product? And didn't Microsoft do similarly for some of their Surface products?

But yes, not sure it would be worth the trade off as it might make the screen thicker. This has always been a big problem for Cintiqs and the like even with the new Pro models. There is too much distance between the tip of the Stylus and the perceived digital cursor, causing annoying parallax shifts between the two, especially in the corners.
I'll take charging the Stylus/pen as the lesser of two evils.
 
What if the pencil charges when magnetically attached to the iPad?

Edit: just saw the patent in the comment above mine :) Makes sense! Super excited.

apple has tons of patents for ideas they thought were awesome that they never did anything with cause the prototypes proved the idea sucked. thus making the existence of a patent proof of nothing either way
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The reason i want is so that i don’t have to put down the pencil to use my hand to erase. It’s an accessibility issue for many people. It’s also more precise than a finger. And it’s worked great for more than a century.

i'm drawing something. i tap a UI button on the screen to change to eraser. i erase. i tap another button to go back to draw. it's really not that hard, certainly no harder than spinning my Pencil over to use the cap. which by the by is probably less accessible than the UI since that flip increases the chance that those with any kind of muscle issue might drop the darn thing flipping it over
 
apple has tons of patents for ideas they thought were awesome that they never did anything with cause the prototypes proved the idea sucked. thus making the existence of a patent proof of nothing either way
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i'm drawing something. i tap a UI button on the screen to change to eraser. i erase. i tap another button to go back to draw. it's really not that hard, certainly no harder than spinning my Pencil over to use the cap. which by the by is probably less accessible than the UI since that flip increases the chance that those with any kind of muscle issue might drop the darn thing flipping it over

You take for granted that you have two hands. Not everyone does.
 
You take for granted that you have two hands. Not everyone does.

not at all. in fact my version is even better for someone who has one hand because you are the one that was expecting folks to use another hand or put down the Pencil to use the single hand to erase. which doesn't work for many because the Pencil has finer control than fingers etc.
 
not at all. in fact my version is even better for someone who has one hand because you are the one that was expecting folks to use another hand or put down the Pencil to use the single hand to erase. which doesn't work for many because the Pencil has finer control than fingers etc.
Huh? With one hand you just flip the pencil and erase. You were suggesting pressing a button and getting all modal or something.

Millions of school kids erase just fine with one hand with real pencils. Don’t pretend this is a suboptimal solution.
 
Huh? With one hand you just flip the pencil and erase. You were suggesting pressing a button and getting all modal or something.

Millions of school kids erase just fine with one hand with real pencils. Don’t pretend this is a suboptimal solution.

this is your exact comment "The reason i want is so that i don’t have to put down the pencil to use my hand to erase. It’s an accessibility issue for many people. It’s also more precise than a finger. And it’s worked great for more than a century."

and then you tried to say that my comment about tapping a UI button in a program to change the tip from pencil mode to eraser mode was some how flawed from an accessibility point of view. to which I replied that your putting something down to use your hand to erase seems less accessible, even for the one handed.

but hey in the end it doesn't matter what either of us thinks or wants because Timmy and friends do what they want and try to convince the world that it's the greatest thing since the invention of toilet paper.
 
I assume most people who use cases use the smart keyboard or smart cover, neither of which covers the back.
Lol no way, dude. Most people use 3rd party cases that cost a fraction of what Apple ridiculously charges and cover both the front and the back. My iPad mini 4 has been protected by a generic case with magnetic folding screen cover I bought off eBay 3 years ago for 15 bucks, and it’s kept said iPad mini looking brand new and dent/scuff/scratch free for all that time and thousands of miles traveled.
 
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