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I kinda like the new communicative Apple. Feels more user friendly. They should open a blog to post such infos officially to users.
 
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It's like... removing iMessage because we want you to SMS.

Ok bad analogy. Someone give me a better one please.

It's like... Temporarily removing some functionality involving the pen and iPad Pro as it wasn't working perfectly then addeing it back in later, in a BETA cycle do it does not matter a tiny bit anyway.
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Fire whoever made this desastrous decision in the first time.

It was a BETA. What you not getting? Not a decision. Stuff gets turned on and off in BETAs all the time.
 
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It's a beta, opt out if you don't like it.
The problem is that until now you had reason to assume they might remove the functionality from a release-channel version as well.

Maybe Apple should try being a little more transparent, at least to pro[sumer] customers who do get a bit worried about these things.
Just one damn mention of "we'll bring this back eventually, please test other areas of this beta for now".

I have a sneaky suspicion why they were not as transparent as they should be:
a) it's Apple. They are the just-became-adult dude who's on vacation all alone and couldn't care less about calling home.
b) It's PR. If you can end this drama on a high note and everyone sighs in relief it's been "worth it". Come on guys, we all know that almost any step Apple makes gets covered even by regional newspapers and the like. They could publish a press room article with literally nothing written in it and people would jump on it.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
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If it's not a pad or a phone Apple are deaf so I'll shout.
4 core Mini NOW !
iMacs running cool NOW !
Pros for less than a fortune NOW !
Apple out from its ivory tower and down with us NOW !
 
Well then Apple. Maybe you should start thinking about making a smaller Apple Pencil "stylus" for the iPhone 7?

I say this because I enjoy a stylus, its the only thing I miss from my Samsung Galaxy Note II. It helps prevent finger prints, that I dislike, and feels so professional while writing notes. My Bamboo stylus is great, but an official stylus that is built specially for the device would be a lot better.

I know it's very unlikely Apple will do this, but that doesn't mean I can't dream of it happening!!
 
Ok, I take back what I said yesterday, lol. I'll definitely pick up an Apple Pencil the next time I upgrade my iPad if they offer support for it in future 9.7" models. IDK if I'll ever get an iPad Pro unless they offer a 9.7" model with a "Pro" label because it has beefier specs. The large size is fantastic to behold and it's very tempting—especially when you see a movie or website on one—but it's just not very practical in day-to-day use.

Just release an iPad Pro 9.7" with the extra RAM, faster clock speed, Apple Pencil Support, and smart connector. Price it at $699 for 32GB and $799 for 128GB and there's a good chance I'll upgrade to that at some point. Make it slightly thicker with extra battery and a USB-C port for limited accessory capability through the App Store with the ability to move content back and forth from external drives and I'm buying it immediately. Also we need pro apps, led by Apple as an example, to show everyone else what is possible.

I don't think it's as huge or as heavy as some make out, depends what you're used to though and perhaps if it's a home device or to be carried around. It's bit shorter but bit taller than my 13" macbook screen so seems fairly normal to me. Weight wise it's a bit lighter than the original ipad but being larger has a bit more leverage so it does need a smart cover or something with a stand. But the pencil's the big thing, would be very surprised if the air 3 gets it.
 
I don't know why some people are assuming that it was just going to return in a later beta and release version and mocking the people that were upset and communicated their concerns to Apple.

There are these things with betas called release notes and they're a really good place to detail the changes or known bugs. Nowhere in any of the betas' notes did it say 'Some Pencil navigation on the iPad Pro has been temporarily suspended'.

This made beta testers (and don't forget this included a great many public beta testers) think, quite legitimately, that it was a design decision.

I think Apple was experimenting with getting rid of certain navigational functions (granted, possibly because they felt they interfered with other Pencil functions) and had there not been such a vociferous backlash they might have left it that way.

The fact, however, that there was a very loud expression of concern may have made Apple realise they had to find a way of returning the missing functionality while at the same time not abandoning any false-input work they'd been working on.

We'll never know for sure but if beta users had not said anything, I think we may not have got the functionality back.
 
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Indeed. Beta releases are supposed to be feature complete so if a feature has been removed and there's no explanation in the release notes then it is quite reasonable to assume that the feature is gone for good.

Excellent point. One more thing I'd add, these alleged "refinements" that Apple is working on, they need to be beta tested right? Beta 4 just came out and it still doesn't have the "refinements". Assuming that Apple was truthful about this which is suspect (seems more like an excuse for a reversal), when would these "refinements" show up for beta testers? beta 5? beta 6? I don't recall a minor release having so many beta releases.

It seems to me Apple was fully intending to phase out pencil use for UI but reversed the decision due to feedback.
 
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I'm really really really happy that your GUESS was correct!! =)
However.... absolutely none of us "knew" that it was coming back.
We could've hoped... we could've intuited... we could've wished or prayed.
What we could NOT have done is "known". You see, that's because we don't work at Apple & all we have to go on is rumors... and the rumor was (supposedly confirmed to tech Podcaster, Myke Hurley, from an Apple employee) that it indeed WAS purposefully left out.
So your super pompous comment that "smart folks" knew it was coming back completely misses the mark. It is both insulting AND an outright lie.
Plenty of intelligent people heard that rumor and came to a logical conclusion that it was true. We are glad it was not! It sucks that Apple employee is lying to podcasters or whatever, however it does not make anyone stupid or cast dispersion on their intellect whatsoever if they believed that rumor. (thank you very much)

I've worked with Apple for over 20 years and have countless friends and contacts that work within the company. Yes, some of us can simply ask and get an answer. Why is that such an impossible concept for some to understand? So yes, I did know it was coming back rather than simply guessing.
 
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All beta software is released/tested regularly and often contains functionality/code that doesn't make to the public release. Sometimes functionality is excluded or turned off in a beta release because the focus for testers in on something else. New code under test may break something previously tested and so that functionality may get temporarily turned off.

Not exactly rocket science. No climb down by Apple, no bowing to pressure either, just the way software is developed and tested. And yes, I know about this as I work for a software company and am a beta tester for a GPS manufacturer who runs a smaller (than Apple) set of beta testers and who is more up front about how and why they do things during testing.

Functionality comes and goes through the development/test process and only gets finalised towards the end of the process. Simples.
 
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All beta software is released/tested regularly and often contains functionality/code that doesn't make to the public release. Sometimes functionality is excluded or turned off in a beta release because the focus for testers in on something else. New code under test may break something previously tested and so that functionality may get temporarily turned off.

Not exactly rocket science. No climb down by Apple, no bowing to pressure either, just the way software is developed and tested. And yes, I know about this as I work for a software company and am a beta tester for a GPS manufacturer who runs a smaller (than Apple) set of beta testers and who is more up front about how and why they do things during testing.

Functionality comes and goes through the development/test process and only gets finalised towards the end of the process. Simples.

But do you send out public betas to thousands of users without mentioning removed functionality?
 
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Good news, then.

Despite people trying to troll and feel superior telling us that we were "throwing tantrums" for expressing our concerns, it is precisely those concerns that led to this news being released.

Why exactly wouldn't it be a good idea to express those concerns to Apple as a customer and user?

I don't understand this attitude.
 
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Beta testing is something not meant for everyone, there are way too many crybabies taking part, but at least their whining kept some of us entertained.

It would be too naive of Apple NOT to expect cry babies when they themselves have opened the beta for public.
 
Wow, that is extremely weird of Apple to say something so exact like this, like "It's coming in next beta" rather than be all secretive and vague.
I'm thinking they just wanted to kill the rumors that it was a permanently removed since a lot of folks (even those without an iPad Pro) thought that was a very bad move.
 
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I've worked with Apple for over 20 years and have countless friends and contacts that work within the company. Yes, some of us can simply ask and get an answer. Why is that such an impossible concept for some to understand? So yes, I did know it was coming back rather than simply guessing.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, so when you said "smart" people knew.... what you ACTUALLY meant was "people that got told". Gotcha!
And out of curiosity... when Myke got info from HIS Apple guy, what made him not know that it wasn't coming back??
If both opposing bits of info came from an Apple employee & they both can't be right- again, nobody can KNOW.
If you don't want to apologize for pretending like you're smart & sneering at others... fine.
(though your silly backpedal change of story admits you didn't figure anything out or do ANYTHING clever whatsoever... supposedly you just got fed info from inside sources)
Soooooo.... if I get the fix on a horse & win the bet... should I crow on about how all the "smart" people KNEW it was going to win?????!
Check your logic.
 
I'm fairly certain Apple did not pull this feature out JUST to make improvements. As a matter of fact that defeats the purpose of BETA TESTING functionality or improvements.

What happened here is like an eye exam when they put a lens (feature), then take it away and see if
1. Got better
2. Got worst
3. No change

Clearly 2. applied in this case and it was simply put back. Apple can sugar coat it the way they like but its clear by giving such a specific statement that its a test
 
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