Apple Permanently Bans 'Infowars' App From the App Store

[syntax]

1. That's a lie and misrepresentation of the facts, which a cursory google search will show.
2. If it were true, no it doesn't.
3. Nice 'what-aboutism'.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're commenting from ignorance, as opposed to operating in bad faith.
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Another straw-man distortion, coincidentally in your defence of an authoritarian move. You're making it difficult to believe you're not disingenuously pushing an agenda.

You’re right. His threat was way less concrete because he has no idea how anything actually works.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...s-tv-license-despite-fact-it-doesnt-have-one/

 

[fpsBeaTt]

He’s the equivalent of a Westboro Baptist Church.

Really? Which funerals has he picketed? You may want to avoid ruining your credibility with your first sentence.

 

[iPhysicist]

Oh my. This guys reputation is even known abroad. But like you can’t kill a hydra by chopping of one of hear heads he will find other ways to broadcast „his characters point of view“.

 

[fpsBeaTt]

You’re right. His threat was way less concrete because he has no idea how anything actually works.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...s-tv-license-despite-fact-it-doesnt-have-one/

And that's the same article I used, which again, supports my original statement about your post.

 

[syntax]

1. That's a lie and misrepresentation of the facts, which a cursory google search will show.
2. If it were true, no it doesn't.
3. Nice 'what-aboutism'.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're commenting from ignorance, as opposed to operating in bad faith.
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Another straw-man distortion, coincidentally in your defence of an authoritarian move. You're making it difficult to believe you're not disingenuously pushing an agenda.

I can’t believe you’re making me repost this. There’s no straw man here. He told lies about dead children. When the parents rightly objected, he doxxed them so that his followers could harass them, forcing them into hiding.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/us/politics/alex-jones-infowars-sandy-hook-lawsuit.html

The lawsuit was filed in state district court in Austin by Veronique De La Rosa and Leonard Pozner, parents of Noah Pozner, who was 6 years old when he was killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

On his radio broadcast and in videos, Mr. Jones for years spread bogus claims that the shooting was a “false flag,” an event staged by the government as part of an effort to confiscate Americans’ firearms, and that the parents of the children killed were “crisis actors.”

After Mr. Pozner succeeded in getting an Infowars video casting doubt on the shooting removed from YouTube, Mr. Jones showed his audience Mr. Pozner’s personal information and maps to addresses associated with his family, court documents say. Mr. Jones also falsely accused Ms. De La Rosa of participating in a faked interview with Anderson Cooper of CNN after the shooting, according to court documents.

Subsequent death threats and harassment have forced the Pozner family to move seven times. They currently live in hiding.​

 

[fpsBeaTt]

I can’t believe you’re making me repost this. There’s no straw man here. He told lies about dead children. When the parents rightly objected, he doxxed them so that his followers could harass them, forcing them into hiding.

And now you're doubling down on your credibility destroying distortion. I'm not buying any crayons from your cup, no matter how desperately you try to throw them at me.

 

[sniffies]

Silence and oblivion will crush him like a cockroach

Just wait and see

 

[syntax]

And now you're doubling down on your credibility destroying distortion. I'm not buying any crayons from your cup, no matter how desperately you try to throw them at me.

What is the distortion? He told lies about dead children. The parents objected. He doxxed them. His followers harassed them. They were forced to go into hiding. These are merely the bullet points of what happened.

 

[fairuz]

Here is Alex Jones' most recent thuggish stunt: harassing and touching Senator Marco Rubio during the Senator's meeting with journalists.

Rubio responds like "Hey, don't touch me, man. Don't touch me." Senator Rubio also calls Alex Jones a "dumbass". It's all recorded in the video. LOL

There's a slightly longer video somewhere that has more at the start. Loved Rubio's reaction in both parts. "I just don't know what your show is, man" or something like that.

 

[darksithpro]

Gotta give little Marco credit. He equally trolled the troller.

 

[fpsBeaTt]

What is the distortion? He told lies about dead children. The parents objected. He doxxed them. His followers harassed them. They were forced to go into hiding. These are merely the bullet points of what happened.

So, because his followers did something which he didn't give direct incitement for, did not suborn - and as I don't watch or listen to him, can't speak to whether or not he doxxed these parents (nor can I find any actual proof that he did) -, he should be punished. Sounds like remarkably vague and dangerous justification, but hey, that's just me; I don't fall over myself to support authoritarian actions simply because they're cheaply dressed as acts of compassion.

And legally speaking, Apple may be digging itself into a hole here, as the other social media giants are; are they a platform, or a publisher? Because if they're the former, they should have no hand in censoring ideas espoused on their platform, unless they cross the line of direct incitement. Otherwise, that makes them a de facto publisher, which therefore makes them legally liable for any other speech that may be considered questionable from a civil liability perspective.

 

[fairuz]

And when his domain takes away his website? You know damn well that your insane, violent liberals thugs won't even allow him to speak on a street corner.

Time to break up Apple and the rest of the tech monopolies. We are basically entering a dystopia where a handful of tech monopolists control an entire society. And liberal sheep are cheering them on.

The modern liberal is such a sheep.

There's no tech monopoly. We have a very free system with the Internet, especially compared to back when all media was distributed by a few TV stations and newspapers. Startups can and do challenge big, established corps all the time; many of today's tech giants were startups not long ago. Keep the barriers to entry low, and everything works out. (Hope Europe would take a lesson.)

Also, even with just the big corps, they're pitted against each other. They each chose to ban him for valid reasons. But I guess anyone supporting Alex Jones would also believe the conspiracy theory that they acted together to ban him.

 

[FrankieTDouglas]

It's not the ideology of the conservative view points, but rather how you conduct yourself. When's the last time you saw a reporter harass and call a United States Senator names during an interview at the United States Senate, while putting their hands on them? This is unheard of. I'm surprised Capitol Hill Police hasn't issued a restraining order from him entering the building at a later date.

Unheard of?

You mean how there have been active calls to harass people in the administration? Not spoken by a reporter, but by an actual Representative: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.html

Or, let's just skip the general harassment. How about how they're literally being shot? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

 

[212rikanmofo]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/us/politics/alex-jones-infowars-sandy-hook-lawsuit.html

The lawsuit was filed in state district court in Austin by Veronique De La Rosa and Leonard Pozner, parents of Noah Pozner, who was 6 years old when he was killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

On his radio broadcast and in videos, Mr. Jones for years spread bogus claims that the shooting was a “false flag,” an event staged by the government as part of an effort to confiscate Americans’ firearms, and that the parents of the children killed were “crisis actors.”

After Mr. Pozner succeeded in getting an Infowars video casting doubt on the shooting removed from YouTube, Mr. Jones showed his audience Mr. Pozner’s personal information and maps to addresses associated with his family, court documents say. Mr. Jones also falsely accused Ms. De La Rosa of participating in a faked interview with Anderson Cooper of CNN after the shooting, according to court documents.

Subsequent death threats and harassment have forced the Pozner family to move seven times. They currently live in hiding.​

Hahah, and your source is The NY Times, lol, are you serious? Please wake up. People are so brainwashed still.

 

[Agit21]

This is Apple's free speech. Private platform.

Not in China I guess. Tim shuts his mouth when he is over there.

 

[darksithpro]

are they a platform, or a publisher? Because if they're the former, they should have no hand in censoring ideas espoused on their platform, unless they cross the line of direct incitement. Otherwise, that makes them a de facto publisher, which therefore makes them legally liable for any other speech that may be considered questionable from a civil liability perspective.

Ask yourself this: What tech giant would support a so called journalist that harasses, trolls, name calls and puts his, or her hands on a United States Senator in an active Senate process? That kind of behavior is unbecoming of anyone.
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Unheard of?

You mean how there have been active calls to harass people in the administration? Not spoken by a reporter, but by an actual Representative: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.html

Or, let's just skip the general harassment. How about how they're literally being shot? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

I agree with that. Some Democrats are no better than Alex Jones. But two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[fitshaced]

I dint really understand the position people have where they see this as against free speech. This clown has had more than enough time to put an educated point of view across.

How long must people suffer the ignorance and verbal abuse?

 

[212rikanmofo]

You’re right. His threat was way less concrete because he has no idea how anything actually works.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...s-tv-license-despite-fact-it-doesnt-have-one/

Washington Post, another owned and controlled fraud mainstream media source. Operation Mockingbird having an effect on the weak I see.

 

[FrankieTDouglas]

Ask yourself this: What tech giant would support a so called journalist that harasses, trolls, name calls and puts his, or her hands on a United States Senator in an active Senate process? That kind of behavior is unbecoming of anyone.

If the question is whether they support it or not, and if this is relevant, then they're a publisher and one can assume they endorse every view they host. And such, are responsible and liable for said views.

Or, they're neutral on it because they're a platform.

Which is it?

 

[GermanSuplex]

Hahah, and your source is The NY Times, lol, are you serious? Please wake up. People are so brainwashed still.

Besides bashing the NYT and calling people brainwashed, can you actually dispute what was reported?
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Washington Post, another owned and controlled fraud mainstream media source. Operation Mockingbird having an effect on the weak I see.

So you really can't dispute anything, you're just bashing the same sources Trump does. But others are the ones who are brainwashed?

 

[fpsBeaTt]

I dint really understand the position people have where they see this as against free speech. This clown has had more than enough time to put an educated point of view across.

How long must people suffer the ignorance and verbal abuse?

Oh yes, woe are the poor victims of those forced to suffer his speech. If only they had the freedom to choose not to watch or listen to him. Oh, won't someone think of the children?!?

 

[fitshaced]

Oh yes, woe are the poor victims of those forced to suffer his speech. If only they had the freedom to choose not to watch or listen to him. Oh, won't someone think of the children?!?

I see. So in your opinion, what would he have to do to be so obscene that he should be removed from these platforms? Consider again just how abusive he has been so far.

 

[syntax]

Hahah, and your source is The NY Times, lol, are you serious? Please wake up. People are so brainwashed still.

They’re relaying the facts of the case. This isn’t some op-ed.

 

[darksithpro]

If the question is whether they support it or not, and if this is relevant, then they're a publisher and one can assume they endorse every view they host. And such, are responsible and liable for said views.

Or, they're neutral on it because they're a platform.

Which is it?

I support freedom of speech and expression, especially conservative ideals on all platforms. What I don't support is opportunists who use free speech to make profit. Someone mentioned Westboro Baptist Church. A band of renegade disbanded lawyers who use religion to incite violence as a honeypot to sue people. To me it's a trashy money making scam that involves amoral players to make a quick buck off of innocent people.

 

[syntax]

So, because his followers did something which he didn't give direct incitement for, did not suborn - and as I don't watch or listen to him, can't speak to whether or not he doxxed these parents (nor can I find any actual proof that he did) -, he should be punished. Sounds like remarkably vague and dangerous justification, but hey, that's just me; I don't fall over myself to support authoritarian actions simply because they're cheaply dressed as acts of compassion.

And legally speaking, Apple may be digging itself into a hole here, as the other social media giants are; are they a platform, or a publisher? Because if they're the former, they should have no hand in censoring ideas espoused on their platform, unless they cross the line of direct incitement. Otherwise, that makes them a de facto publisher, which therefore makes them legally liable for any other speech that may be considered questionable from a civil liability perspective.

He doxxed them on his show, dude. This isn’t some rumor. It happened.

Oh, and now his lawyer is trying to publicize the grieving parents’ new address (the one they fled to after being doxxed) as an intimidation tactic:

https://splinternews.com/alex-jones-lawyer-trying-to-publicize-tormented-sandy-h-1828201210