liberte1776
macrumors 6502
This is ridiculous, in some sense, an application is freedom of speech, it is written code. What is next, banning news websites? This has gone too far in censorship.
Apple Permanently Bans 'Infowars' App From the App Store
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GermanSuplex
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There is no free speech on those platforms to take away, so it wasn't that.
Limited speech, maybe?
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duffman9000
macrumors 68020
Except it isn't. It seems you have a limited understanding of where free speech applies and more importantly, where it does not.
Your comments are just trying to muddy the waters.
Perene
macrumors 6502a
You know you are in deep s.hit when 99.9% of people think that if were not for all these companies (Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc.) there wouldn't be the internet as we know.
I am not saying, for example, it's better to host a video elsewhere besides Youtube (for technical reasons Youtube is better than the rest). What I am trying to convey is that if these companies decided to close tomorrow then most users would be totally clueless where to go or what to do.
And anyone that is using the internet for at least 2 decades knows there was a time when none of them existed or were relevant. For God sakes, we were using more than one search engine in the 1990's, we had huge PCs that often crashed or couldn't download in less than a few minutes a single image we see everywhere nowadays, and social networks were limited so much that didn't even had profiles or communities, we were using IRC... And email to communicate.
Why not assume once and for all you are relying on them for profit, and the truth doesn't matter that much? I get that these people need visibility (since everyone is there, why would they go elsewhere?), but the fact is that they are being PAID (by Google or their subscribers) to promote their content.
Even if we all agree what these companies are doing it's illegal and immoral, still it would be wrong to rely on them... at all.
The main reason no one wants to thrive without becoming a slave from these corporations is mostly due to laziness.
It's one thing to have all possible resources taken from you, which happens with sites like TPB, and another to be banned from sites run by corporations that already assumed to be working against everyone that doesn't side with the Left.
Why not focuse on boycotting them and embracing alternatives (like this new social network called "Gab") instead of making all this fuss? Over time less people will be interested in Youtube, Facebook and Apple, and better options will grow. In fact more people these days are opting out of social networks, more than ever before.
If you say that you don't use them you are considered an alien. This is what's wrong with this world, most people are willing slaves and don't see any problem with that.
KGB7
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Do you even understand what “kind of” even means??
GermanSuplex provided a simple answer.
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
Maybe you don't understand what free speech is and where it applies and more importantly, where it does not apply. Infowars getting banned from Twitter and from Apple's App store has ZERO to do with free speech. Zilch. Nothing. No "kind of" whatsoever.
Ciclismo
macrumors 6502a
We have a definition of it in Germany so I would be VERY surprised if there wasn’t a definition, or at least a well defined limitation of free-speech.
macduke
macrumors G5
The rules are long and thorough:
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#objectionable-content
SeattleMoose
macrumors 68000
The precedent of muzzling people whom you disagree with is VERY disturbing. Whether you like a person or not, there is no fine print on the 1st Amendment. Free is exactly that...and Social Media/Technology companies ARE today's public forums. We are in new territory so don't hide behind the private companies argument. Besides, censorship appears to directly reflect the politics of the companies doing the censoring.
KGB7
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevl...er-really-censoring-free-speech/#26304d3e65f5
Defined limitation of free speech in America? Not to my knowledge. I can shout what ever I want on the public streets. Anything!
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lunarworks
macrumors 68000
Go into a Walmart or shopping mall, though, and security will escort you out.
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
You just can’t seem to wrap your head around the fact that people don’t have free speech on Apple’s or Twitter’s platform.
Either you’re intentionally trying to muddy the water or just trying to move goal posts. But you’re funny so I’ll keep trying to teach you.
GermanSuplex
macrumors 68000
As has been said numerous times, this is not a first amendment issue. Apple has rules, he broke them. He probably got by a long time the way it is before these platforms said "enough is enough".
Just because these companies may be huge and have large reach, doesn't change anything. Free speech is not the unfettered right to say whatever you want, wherever. The "private companies" thing isn't an argument - it's a fact.
If the conservatives are so concerned about these issues, instead of worrying about Infowars, Apple, Twitter, etc... the first place they need to direct their concerns is the Trump administration, because Trump spouts all the time about how he would love to silence press that he doesn't agree with.
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
Methinks some people think free speech means being able to say whatever you want anywhere you want.
I think the crux of the issue is it's being framed as Free Speech, but it's really Freedom of Association.
Apple is disassociating with Jones. That's really what's happening.
KGB7
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Don’t compare Walmart to a Twitter.
darksithpro
macrumors 6502a
You can't however yell fire, when there is none. That can cause harm to the general public. Germany has one of the most strict freedom of speech laws in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#Germany
Alex Jones wouldn't last a day in Germany.
lunarworks
macrumors 68000
We've had a generation grow up in isolated anything-goes internet communities, so that's exactly what it is.
I remember life before the net, when being a total ******* got you ostracized from society.
You're right. Walmart is like a black tie dinner compared to Twitter.
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
The 1A is not absolute. It's a recurring theme here that this has to be explained. To older people no less.
Correct -- it is a freedom of association issue.
However, the government imposes anti-discrimination regulation on private organizations all the time.
There are quite a few limitations on the free speech right in America. These include, but aren’t limited to, true threats, fighting words, incitement to imminent lawlessness, fraud, defamation, and obscenity. Governments can also, in many circumstances, impose content-neutral time, place and manner restrictions on speech.
That said, it is correct that there is no hate speech exception to (First Amendment) free speech rights.
KGB7
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They have a “history”, that they are trying very hard from repeating it self. So I get it.
darksithpro
macrumors 6502a
I just saw something that may help AJ. Did the Supreme court say you cannot be deplatformed?
In Packingham v. North Carolina (2017), the Supreme Court held that a North Carolina law prohibiting registered sex offendersfrom accessing various websites impermissibly restricted lawful speech in violation of the First Amendment.[149] The Court held that "a fundamental principle of the First Amendment is that all persons have access to places where they can speak and listen, and then, after reflection, speak and listen once more."
In Packingham v. North Carolina (2017), the Supreme Court held that a North Carolina law prohibiting registered sex offendersfrom accessing various websites impermissibly restricted lawful speech in violation of the First Amendment.[149] The Court held that "a fundamental principle of the First Amendment is that all persons have access to places where they can speak and listen, and then, after reflection, speak and listen once more."
KGB7
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Free speech is not free, there are consequences.