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Apple Permanently Bans 'Infowars' App From the App Store

lostngone said:
Don’t celebrate just yet. I am not arguing that Apple does or does not have the right to do this, they are a private company that can do what they want.

HOWEVER. Ask yourself what happens when it isn’t the Alex Jones App they are removing but for example a Catholic Church App because they don’t believe women can hold the same positions as men or because of all the child molestation. Maybe they remove Facebook, Instagram snapchat apps because they have many offensive and hateful things in them.

You might be thinking “that would never happen” but we are one moral shift from exactly that happening.

Would you be celebrating then?
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Brilliant. Excellent point. And the left will go after Christianity. The left hates Christians.
 
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If you're wondering how Alex Jones is dealing with his bans:

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1037978557555900416

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Watch the video. That's definitely how a normal person deals with things.
 
KGB7 said:
We have safe guards in place to prevent another Hitler and deal with nazi sympathizers. But thanks for playing Sport.
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US has practically no safeguards preventing the actions of Neo Nazi’s or Nazi sympathizers. One can make strong argument that president Trump has made statements which fail to condemn Neo Nazi movement. Even more so, Neo Nazi’s and radical right wing find Trumps message empowering which in itself is alarming.
 
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This one's simple. Apple can ban whatever apps they want for whatever reason. What Apple did is entirely consistent with the First Amendment. But let-me-sell-you-brain-pills Jones has just lost a lucrative marketing tool for his male-appendage-enhancing l'huile de serpent, so he screams "censorship" at his not-very-smart listeners.

If you really need to have that Jonesware on your phone, form your own phone-making company.
 
fpsBeaTt said:
Ahhh yes, "hate speech", the subjective term all authoritarians use to justify the suppression of ideas they don't agree with.
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Hm... but conservatitives do the same with anthem kneeling. We’re told it is so reprehensible as speech or expression that it need be prohibited and not allowed. Punished. If not by law, by social justice. Character assination. Loss of employment. Business boycotting.

But, let me guess, that isn’t conservative authoritarianism used to supress an idea they don’t agree with.

Everyday conservative minds tell us it isn’t fair that they face demonization, social ostrcisim, loss of business, or lose employment because of their speech or expression of “hate”.

Oh boo hoo. Get in line. You’re not getting any symphony until you tell us that anthem kneeling is acceptable speech and expression.
 
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Nuvi said:
US has practically no safeguards preventing the actions of Neo Nazi’s or Nazi sympathizers. One can make strong argument that president Trump has made statements which fail to condemn Neo Nazi movement. Even more so, Neo Nazi’s and radical right wing find Trumps message empowering which in itself is alarming.
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Police, FBI, NSA and the rest of the US Government, including laws. 2nd amendment to protect our country by its citizens, if they have to. We can elect new president in few years.

We will be fine dude, the pumpkin spice latte is safe from Neo Nazis.
[doublepost=1536511845][/doublepost]Neo Nazi March in Wash DC this year. Only 20 people showed up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nter-protest-lafayette-park-a8488941.html?amp
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lunarworks said:
If you're wondering how Alex Jones is dealing with his bans:

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1037978557555900416

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Watch the video. That's definitely how a normal person deals with things.
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He is trending!
 
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It wouldn't surprise me if he violated every item in the terms of service. The man was giving out address to the parents of Newtown School shooting and then they moved to stop the harassment, he would find them and give the address out again. This type of politics is wrong, weather is is being down by liberal or Conservatives.
 
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budselectjr said:
Start going down this road it's not gonna be pretty. If that is now the standard to get deplatformed a lot of people are in for some trouble if you are to believe the tech companies claims of being non-partisan.
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A slippery slope?? I dunno man... I mean, I guess it’s healthy to be wary of these things.
 
truthertech said:
To summarize this threads key points:

1) Understanding civics is not a strong point on this or other web sites. Since Twitter and Apple are private companies, their restricting Alex Jones' speech on their platforms doesn't have anything to do with Jones' 1st Amendment Constitutional right to free speech.

2) Most people are hypocrites and if someone they support was banned, they would howl. Most people think Alex Jones is a lunatic so they don't care.

3) Everybody knows that there is a bias against right wing, or even conservatives who say controversial things on social media and left wing comedians, etc., who harass or use hate speech are generally ignored. Kudos to Twitter CEO for at least being willing to admit it publicly. This bias is because the people who run and work at these companies are overwhelmingly left leaning, again as Jack concedes. If the situation was reversed, the banning bias would be in the other direction.

4) Major tech companies, such as Twitter, Facebook, Google and Apple grew up in an atmosphere where they were protected as platforms that allowed unrestricted speech with very few limitations that were fairly universally agreed upon such as threats of violence, etc. but now that they have achieved oligopoly status their impact on determining what people can see and heard is a concern.

A future in which they control all on line discussion and "de facto" determine what thoughts can be expressed is not hyperbole and not far. Since they are private entities (see #1 above), their ability favor/censor political candidates, religious and social viewpoints, limit what news we see, etc., has grown to a level of control that was previously unimagined except in totalitarian countries like North Korea, and they will soon have a chokehold that should alarm everyone, regardless of your politics.
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While that's true, it's been established for decades. The fact that this couldn't have been foreseen is a testament to the dangers of putting faith in 'absolute' and 'indefinitely relevant' guidelines like religious texts and even constitutions that, I'm sorry, just aren't relevant forever. The bed has been made.
 
InfoWars business model is to sell goods. It's like a QVC for the paranoid. I do not agree with any of its messages, however nobody should be silenced. We enjoy free speech in this country, and we should hold on to that, even if the message irritates us. What is needed instead is a better education system. The amount of misinformation and lack of rational thinking is staggering in this country.
 
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What’s funny is those championing this as an infringement on “free speech” are most likely the same ones who called for repealing Net Neutrality and celebrated it being destroyed.
 
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2crazy said:
InfoWars business model is to sell goods. It's like a QVC for the paranoid. I do not agree with any of its messages, however nobody should be silenced. We enjoy free speech in this country, and we should hold on to that, even if the message irritates us. What is needed instead is a better education system. The amount of misinformation and lack of rational thinking is staggering in this country.
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You talk about education, but forget or don't understand that this isn't a free speech issue.
 
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EightyTwenty said:
So you want Democrats and their racist identity politics banned from the Internet? The American left has gone fully and completely insane. I used to wonder how authoritarian dictatorships could happen. Now I know.
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It's an amusing trend I've noticed recently to see the right call the left "insane". Funny... the left isn't the side colluding with Russia. The left isn't the side taking a national tragedy and saying it didn't happen. The left isn't the side banning transgender individuals from restrooms. The left isn't spewing nonsense about "family values" at rallies and then being caught having affairs in public restrooms. The left isn't gerrymandering and rigging the system for unfair advantages. The left doesn't have religious individuals calling for the death of LGBTQ people. The left isn't throwing rallies spewing hate speech and showing off their guns like psychopaths. The left isn't throwing a hissy fit because people are kneeling during the national anthem because of police brutality. The left isn't ripping up their Nike socks because of an ad campaign.

Nah, I think your definition of "insane" needs a revision or two... or twenty.
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KGB7 said:
It kind of is. He’s voice was removed from several platforms.

Let’s not go in circle again.
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Yeah, let's not go in circleS again. PRIVATE COMPANIES DO NOT HAVE TO TOLERATE YOUR HATE SPEECH. THEY ARE NOT THE GOVERNMENT. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
 
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duffman9000 said:
Except it's not. You don't have any right to publish any app you want in Apple's App store.



Maybe you fail to understand why this isn't a free speech issue. 768 posts and no one has explained this to you yet?
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His free speech wasn’t taken away in this country, but it was taken away on the multiple platforms.

Do you get it now?
 
KGB7 said:
His free speech wasn’t taken away in this country, but it was taken away on the multiple platforms.
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That guy has no right to publish in Apple's App store or on Twitter's platform.
Do you have the right to go to a department store and say whatever you want? No. They'd kick you immediately out. But but they stopping your speech?!?
 
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duffman9000 said:
That guy has no right to publish in Apple's App store or on Twitter's platform.
Do you have the right to go to a department store and say whatever you want? No. They'd kick you immediately out. But but they stopping your speech?!?
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What was taken away from Jones on multiple platforms??
 
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KGB7 said:
You haven’t answered my question. Your insults and personal atacks are childish. One more time.

What was taken away from Jones in multiple platforms??
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Funny. You're the one who's throwing around "attacks" (not "atacks"... turn on spellcheck) by calling me an "old fart". What's being taken away from Jones is his right to post hate speech on whatever platform he desires. However, his first amendment right to free speech hasn't been taken away... he can stand on whatever street corner he wants, wherever he wants, and go on and on about how all those gun shootings never happened... and we all have the right to tell him to shut his cry hole.

In case you didn't understand that the first time... his ability to profit from being a liar was taken away, nothing else.
 
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fpsBeaTt said:
I’m an anti-theist, I don’t follow Jones, and you’re deflecting being called on an unambiguously dishonest, slimy statement of sophistry.

Not even going to bother any further with someone so lacking in principle, let alone someone using theological concepts of “evil” to bolster their hollow argument supporting authoritarian means.
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You do not need to be a man of God to see that hate and calls for harm against fellow man are evil. You only need to be human to see that telling a grieving parent that their child was a crisis actor is evil. You, sir, lack any moral compass and are not worthy of further discussion if you believe it is okay to harass grieving parents, full stop, end of conversation. As a long standing member of this community I feel confident in saying that such hate filled beliefs are not welcome here. Good day sir.
 
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