Apple Plans to Close Stores in Eastern District of Texas in Fight Against Patent Trolls [Updated]

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  1. Breaking Good macrumors 65816

    Sep 28, 2012
    Have you ever sat on a jury, either civil or criminal? It is quite amazing how twelve people can listen to the same evidence and reach very different conclusions about what happened.
  2. needsomecoffee macrumors regular


    May 6, 2008
    Might be a preemptive move re: the battery class action lawsuit??
  3. jamezr macrumors G5


    Aug 7, 2011
    Very true...but there is no proof that has happened to a whole district in Texas. Then you could say that about all juries in every state. So are they closing those stores too?
    Then not all of the patent litigation going on in eastern Texas is done by juries....some are ruled on by judges.

    I mean I don't like patent trolls don't get me wrong here. I just don't see closing these 2 stores as making any difference at all.
  4. oneMadRssn macrumors 601


    Sep 8, 2011
    New England
    The word "troll" implies bad and immoral - that is what a troll is. Troll under the bridge and all. If you want a neutral label to describe a business model, then we have many of those already: non-practicing entity or patent-assertion entity.
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    I agree with this. If a company happily takes 1/10th of the value, they are a troll. However, those are pretty rare and what most people on this forum describe as "trolls" include companies that would never settle for 1/10th but would absolutely take it all the way to get real value out of the patents.
  5. racerhomie macrumors 6502


    Aug 14, 2015
    Calm down.
  6. The Cappy macrumors regular

    Nov 9, 2015
    Dunwich Fish Market
    Willow Bend is on the west side of Dallas North Tollway which runs north-south, and the Galleria is on the east side of that same road. So the notion that they'd be closing Willow Bend because of it being in East Texas is entirely fatuous. They're both in the northern Dallas region. Stonebriar is further north. I don't know how Stonebriar is, but I know that Willow Bend in general has not been as popular a mall as people expected. I knew a woman who worked at a department store there. That store closed too. Willow Bend has been a disappointment generally, and Galleria is very active. Don't blame a closing on silly crap it has nothing to do with. East Texas is already embarrassing enough to us Texans ;)
  7. Naraxus macrumors 6502a


    Oct 13, 2016
    How absolutely childish and petty of Apple.....
  8. StarDal macrumors member

    Jul 1, 2009
    If you take a look at the map that was posted, the Eastern District does cover that area. Like Congressional Districts, Judicial Districts can have some odd boundaries.
  9. Carnegie macrumors 6502a

    May 24, 2012
    This move, if it does happen, wouldn't make the Eastern District of Texas an improper venue in general for civil actions brought against Apple. There's a specific rule for patent infringement actions, 28 US §1400(b), which would depend on Apple having "a regular and established place of business" in the district (because Apple doesn't, for purposes of that rule, reside in the ED of TX).

    There's a different rule for federal civil actions in general, 28 US §1391, which would depend on Apple being subject to a given court's personal jurisdiction. A defendant can be subject to a court's personal jurisdiction even if that defendant doesn't have a regular and established place of business within its geographic jurisdiction. For instance, Apple shipping products into the ED of TX would subject it to that court's personal jurisdiction.
  10. Pipper99 macrumors 68020


    Aug 14, 2010
    Fort Worth, TX
    Great, my Southlake store is about to get busier.
  11. Carnegie macrumors 6502a

    May 24, 2012
    Willow Bend is in Collin Country, which is in the Eastern District of Texas. Galleria is in Dallas County, which is in the Northern District of Texas.
  12. AdonisSMU macrumors 604

    Oct 23, 2010
  13. Singin Hobo macrumors regular

    Jan 16, 2008
    I'm halfway between either of these store and Southlake, but I'm in the Plano area more often... :-/ now where will I go every 3 years when I have to buy a keyboard?
  14. cmaier macrumors G5

    Jul 25, 2007
    Apple is the most sued of any business for patent infringement. They win almost every case.
  15. Jimmy James macrumors 601

    Jimmy James

    Oct 26, 2008
    It’s how pathetic their adversaries are.
  16. Naraxus macrumors 6502a


    Oct 13, 2016
  17. sirozha macrumors 6502a

    Jan 4, 2008
    Now Apple will be sued for depriving residents of the area of access to Apple stores.
  18. KazuSnow macrumors regular


    May 24, 2010
    Canada (Australian)
    Yes but your politicians, cheeto's or otherwise, make laws that govern said Judges ... change the rules they have to abide by and the world becomes a better place!
  19. citysnaps macrumors 603

    Oct 10, 2011
    San Francisco

    Good for business?
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    Give Texas back to Mexico.
  20. az431 macrumors 65816


    Sep 13, 2008
    Portland, OR
    Clearly you didn’t bother to read the cited article or learn the facts.

    The patentee win rates and affirmance on appellate review are not much different than any other district.

    In fact the patentee win rate and affirmance rate are higher in the district where Apple’s headquarters are located than in the eastern district of Texas.

    The real reason defendants don’t like the eastern district of Texas is that the rules promote fairness in the discovery process, meaning they are more likely to have to disclose facts helpful to the plaintiff.

    There is no difference in the requirements to file a case, and every district in the US applies the exact same law and standards for motions to dismiss, etc.
  21. ericg301 macrumors 65816

    Jun 15, 2010
    but who appoints them?
  22. PezRadar macrumors regular

    Sep 17, 2007
    People noting that it is only 7 miles away. It's also down a tollway that is constantly congested. It's an unfortunate negative for Collin County residents. I live in SoCal now so I send my sympathies.
  23. partyboy4357 macrumors member


    Oct 6, 2017
    Here's a thought, instead of picking up and moving why not get in compliance and stop infringing on patents? Apple is too big to not know they're doing that. Sorry but this seems like its Apple's issue not the courts or the patent trolls.

    I really don't see how anyone could justify Apple's response. If they weren't infringing they wouldn't have to worry about losing $$ to lawsuits. Simple as that!
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    SCOTUS? Who's he.
  24. aliensporebomb macrumors 68000


    Jun 19, 2005
    Minneapolis, MN, USA, Urth

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