Boot Camp is not needed for this, you just need to partition the drive...
If you want more OSs, you can do that, and OnMac has the simplest triple booting solution for OSX+Windows+Linux
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Posts Mac OS 10.5 Leopard Guided Tour
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Boot Camp is not needed for this, you just need to partition the drive...
If you want more OSs, you can do that, and OnMac has the simplest triple booting solution for OSX+Windows+Linux
I have to disagree with you as your posting about Mail is illogical. When you go to the post office what do they try and sell you? "Stationary". This is great feature (that you don't have to use) that makes emails a lot more useful as well as fun. Email gets tired and boring and it's bad enough that we have to read boring business email at work then you have to come home and read another boring, business style looking email on your own computer.
Your way makes people NOT want to use stationary. It's not enough that certain really cool features require the user to make them happen starting with Automator that most people run away from because it's requires a few steps but you want them to get stationary from iWeb and then export it into Mail? What I like about OS X is it's ease of use, your way does not mimic that.
Having read this I had a look around, downloaded macfuse from the google site, and ntfs-3g from another site and got NTFS read/write operational in a jiffy
So didn't know this was around... anyone tried using this on Leopard? Still works fine I'd hope?Having read this I had a look around, downloaded macfuse from the google site, and ntfs-3g from another site and got NTFS read/write operational in a jiffy
can someone explain to me what the use is of having NTFS write capability? just curious what you can do with it.
You can write to drives formatted to the NTFS file system and thus improve interoperability?
It means you can share a drive with a Windows PC that is NTFS formatted, or write to a NTFS formatted Boot Camp drive...
one thing it does is allow you to create a boot camp partition greater than 32 Gb with NTFS and directly write to it from Mac OS X.
I've been meaning to get a new Macbook Pro when Leopard came out, but I decided to wait til next year after the next rumored revision...I still have my G4 PB, which is plugging away.
I've been reading this thread and the mutation (yet again) to the merits between Mac vs the world (with particular attention to Vista/XP). I'm sure you guys must have read the article about fanboys at extremetech.com...and unfortunately, some people on this thread have been living proof that the author was not kidding. Lots of people have serious blinders on when it comes to Apple and its products.
Unfortunately, by reading the discussion, it doesn't seem that most people on either side of the argument lack knowledge about computers. The stereotypical "fanboy" would usually be the person that is not as tech-savy, and thus, embraces the lifestyle and the "it just works" theory proposed by Apple. I find it easier to understand this type of fanboyism (ugh) than people who are knowledgeable of computers who also seem to blindly toe the party line.
Simply stated, Vista doesn't "suck." OSX is not the second coming. They are both tools to do the job. I guess here is where I have to post my resume to ensure that I'm not a biased Gates-drone: I've been using computers since the days of TRS-80 in middle school, my first PC was an Atari 400 (loved programming BASIC in it and saving on a tape - I even wrote a very simple music program on the 800 that could play music by using 3 joysticks). People who claim that PCs are the supreme gaming platform forget that computer gaming really had its first renaissance on the Apple II+, which I loved.
The first PC I had was an AST 386 (after I got rid of my Atari ST...sob). I think it was in the neighborhood of 4MHz? From then til years after college I was a PC guy, though still fondly remembered the II+ and my ST. Used Macs in college, of course, but they were black and white only contraptions, tiny monitors, didn't do much for me. My first Mac was the mac Pro aluminum tower, which I bought 2 months before the middle option became a dual processor, then I got the lampshade iMac...very neat little computer. Now I have the aforementioned G4 PB, a mini, just got a macbook for my wife. I also am typing this on my main computer, a PC I put together 5 months ago (a core2duo) w/ Vista Ultimate and two monitors. I guess all told, I have about 10 computers in my house, with about 6 being used in a regular basis.
You know what? I like both platforms...and I also run Ubuntu on by PB, just for kicks. Let's not get too caught up in the hype machine that is Apple. These are tools, and you can enjoy them for what they are. Neither is perfect, both are very good. For the poster who dreaded the thought that XP is probably running a computer that might save his life, I'm sure he is just kidding, because most interactions that he has with computers, from the supermarket to the bank to the hospital to schools, all have windows in them, and they run well.
You know what is my private fear? Imagine a scenario where Apple, with SJ at the helm, with their hubris, hush-hush mentality, we can do no wrong, take over other people's intellectual property and run them over, my lifestyle is better than yours attitude had 93% of the market. That is a lot scarier than the world we live in now.
I've been rambling way too much...venting, really. Sorry if I offended anyone. Now back to your regular programming.
Quick question: on my wife's macbook. When I get Leopard and do a clean install, can I use the discs that came with the computer to reinstall only iLife 08? Never had to do this, since when I ugraded to Tiger on my PB, I had bought iLife '04, too.
I've been reading this thread and the mutation (yet again) to the merits between Mac vs the world (with particular attention to Vista/XP). I'm sure you guys must have read the article about fanboys at extremetech.com...and unfortunately, some people on this thread have been living proof that the author was not kidding. Lots of people have serious blinders on when it comes to Apple and its products.
Unfortunately, by reading the discussion, it doesn't seem that most people on either side of the argument lack knowledge about computers. The stereotypical "fanboy" would usually be the person that is not as tech-savy, and thus, embraces the lifestyle and the "it just works" theory proposed by Apple. I find it easier to understand this type of fanboyism (ugh) than people who are knowledgeable of computers who also seem to blindly toe the party line.
Simply stated, Vista doesn't "suck." OSX is not the second coming. They are both tools to do the job. I guess here is where I have to post my resume to ensure that I'm not a biased Gates-drone: I've been using computers since the days of TRS-80 in middle school, my first PC was an Atari 400 (loved programming BASIC in it and saving on a tape - I even wrote a very simple music program on the 800 that could play music by using 3 joysticks). People who claim that PCs are the supreme gaming platform forget that computer gaming really had its first renaissance on the Apple II+, which I loved.
The first PC I had was an AST 386 (after I got rid of my Atari ST...sob). I think it was in the neighborhood of 4MHz? From then til years after college I was a PC guy, though still fondly remembered the II+ and my ST. Used Macs in college, of course, but they were black and white only contraptions, tiny monitors, didn't do much for me. My first Mac was the mac Pro aluminum tower, which I bought 2 months before the middle option became a dual processor, then I got the lampshade iMac...very neat little computer. Now I have the aforementioned G4 PB, a mini, just got a macbook for my wife. I also am typing this on my main computer, a PC I put together 5 months ago (a core2duo) w/ Vista Ultimate and two monitors. I guess all told, I have about 10 computers in my house, with about 6 being used in a regular basis.
You know what? I like both platforms...and I also run Ubuntu on by PB, just for kicks. Let's not get too caught up in the hype machine that is Apple. These are tools, and you can enjoy them for what they are. Neither is perfect, both are very good. For the poster who dreaded the thought that XP is probably running a computer that might save his life, I'm sure he is just kidding, because most interactions that he has with computers, from the supermarket to the bank to the hospital to schools, all have windows in them, and they run well.
You know what is my private fear? Imagine a scenario where Apple, with SJ at the helm, with their hubris, hush-hush mentality, we can do no wrong, take over other people's intellectual property and run them over, my lifestyle is better than yours attitude had 93% of the market. That is a lot scarier than the world we live in now.
I've been rambling way too much...venting, really. Sorry if I offended anyone. Now back to your regular programming.
Quick question: on my wife's macbook. When I get Leopard and do a clean install, can I use the discs that came with the computer to reinstall only iLife 08? Never had to do this, since when I ugraded to Tiger on my PB, I had bought iLife '04, too.
Post of the day.
You can reinstall it using the bundled application installer on the DVD. Which will...only install the bundled applications.
Yup, that would be the main advantage. The way I do it now is by having a NAS in my network. Since it is basically a Linux box running a light OS that is read/write for both Mac and Windows, I write whatever I need to share between computers or between boot camp partitions to the NAS. Not the most elegant solution, by any means, but gets the job done. Moreover, the price of these things have gone down considerably. My NAS is a little Linksys box that takes SATA drives...I think it cost around $150, and adding a couple of 500GB drives will set you back another $350 or so (don't remember the latest prices, sorry). Have it run as mirrored drives, and presto, instant backup for your music and family photos.
added later
Doh, I forgot, you can just use a thumb drive, too, for smaller files (heck, a 1GB thumb drive is so cheap nowadays)
Post of the day.
You can reinstall it using the bundled application installer on the DVD. Which will...only install the bundled applications.
Thanks a bunch for the information. I know that I'll end up buying iLife 08, just to install on my other macs, as well, but don't see myself doing it just now.
Wow, must've struck a nerve
My post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but do I really have to spell it out for you?
MS spends what, 5 years, or something like that on Vista? And it debuted to a collective yawn from the entire industry.
Apple comes out with Leopard in something like 2 years (or less), and everyone can't seem to give it enough praise.
Will MS continue to dominate the OS marketplace? Of course! Is Leopard perfect? Of course not! But Apple just showed (again) how much better they are at producing quality software that makes it easy for the general public to use AND that people find appealing. THAT'S how MS got owned.
At the end of the day, OS X will continue to run a far 2nd place in the consumer OS arena, but that fact doesn't mean it's a 2nd rate OS. I can't believe people take this stuff so seriously
I don't think you need to worry about that ever happening. I am interested in what exactly about that scenario is "scarier than the world we live in now?" Personally I like choice and the biggest barrier to choice for the average buyer is the OEM monopoly Microsoft maintains with assemblers like DELL. It would be interesting to see a vibrant market of Linux machine sellers so buyers do not have to pay the Microsoft tax or build their own. From my experience this is how the market breaks down: most businesses that are tied to Windows software, IT, etc. do fine with XP or even 98, most home users would be better off with Mac OS X. Now before someone chimes in with the usual "just install anti-virus, don't download porn or P2P or click on email attachments and Windows is GREAT" reply, I've heard it before and I disagree.
Added: and about that hush-hush mentality? are you talking about Microsoft's willingness to blather on and on about vaporware like Cairo and Surfaces whereas Apple doesn't? what intellectual property did they take over? and what is with that "my lifestyle is better than yours attitude" comment?
So what exactly is your point? Other than saying, apparently, that anyone who shows enthusiasm for OS X is a "fanboy"?
Just because we appreciate well-designed GUIs and are fed up with the crap that MS shoves down our throats doesn't mean we are Apple fanboys!
Apple has its problems, but given the choice between Vista and OS X, I'll pick OS X any day. Vista may not be crap to you, but compared to OS X, as far as ease of use goes, it just can't compete.
I've been playing around with computers since the Trash-80 days, and what I see constantly, is that, in general, the more computer-savvy people just don't seem to appreciate the polished look and feel of OS X's GUI. They prefer endless tweakability over useability, and they're too busy complaining about the .00000001 second longer it takes to open a windows under OS X than XP, or some crap like that
I don't think that anyone here is as serious as you. We all enjoy computers and Apple will be introducing a new OS X shortly. The Party is coming people are excited. You sir are a little wrong in saying that the Apple community has an attitude.... Of course we do because Apple users are well like Linux users and have to shout to the brain washed Windows crowd for the last 20 years. Don't forget Mac is the Underdog.
As for your "scarier than the world we live in now" statement. With Oil at $90 a barrel, People getting shot in Iraq everyday, Bush treating to invade Iran. I don't think Apples success is that scary.
Just way to much reality.
You would think, but there are many people who refuse to get an iPod (as an example) because "everyone else has one", or "only posers who want to be 'cool' have iPods". Some people are just very over-conscious of what others may think about them, I guess.
What I have a problem with, is that certain people here seem to feel that anyone posting their enthusiasm about an Apple product, without also noting something bad about Apple in the same post, is automatically a "fanboy". It's like you have to flash your "I don't like everything about Apple" creds in every post, or the fanboy police will come after you.
as an aside to the ongoing M$ vs. 
debate, I just want to chime in that I can't wait for the "cow lick" hairstyle to fall out of fashion. John's hair tuft casts a shadow that disrupts the glare coming off the glossy imac screen.
debate, I just want to chime in that I can't wait for the "cow lick" hairstyle to fall out of fashion. John's hair tuft casts a shadow that disrupts the glare coming off the glossy imac screen.
That might matter if there was actually anything on the display.as an aside to the ongoing M$ vs.
as an aside to the ongoing M$ vs.
Thanks for the confirmation - it took a while to stop laughing after I saw the picture for this thread.
Maybe I should go up the street to 1 Infinite Loop soon and see what the drones are wearing these days. It could be incredible fun....
Maybe there's a beauty salon on campus where I could get a pointy-haired 'coif!