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You're right on your conclusion, but wrong on the reason (which I'm sure you'll understand, you seem smart): yes the Apple Watch is useless today, mainly due to it's very limited autonomy, but it's not relevant as it's the first version and (hopefully, otherwise Apple Watch is dead) it'll only get better.

But on the fashion side, which indeed is more important, Apple simply does not have Steve Jobs anymore to tell them how a vision for smart-wearable works (instead they have Angela Ahrendts whom like Tim Cook is a manager rather than a conceptor or a visionary): it's not about industrial design anymore, it REALLY is about fashion. And fashion is not about brand, logos, function or ugly silver/gold colors, it's about making all of this disappear behind something that makes organic sense in terms of fashion.

One exemple as you said and anyone with taste would agree, is that the Apple Watch should've been or come in a round format. And be thinner as they could. And not have an ugly rounded protuberant surface. And not be limited to cheap looking silicon bracelets, or have a mobile like flat-design interface etc...
Just so you know the first gen iPhone, iPod, iPad was not useless.
To a beautiful product design sometimes thin is not always the answer
RMBP 13"= beautiful design
RMBP 15"= ugly design
 
Personally I think Apple already has too many Apple Watch choices. And even with all the choices they don't offer what I'd consider (Apple Sport aluminum but with Black band). They would have done better to sell them without the band to begin with (and made them less $) or sell them at the same price with a $50 credit (assumed to be used to get a band).
 
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WHY is anyone going to pay for a Watch Edition if you can get a 'gold' watch for so much less?
Because a 'gold' colored aluminum watch is not 18K gold.

I actually think the opposite of you. Why is anyone going to pay for a 'gold' Sport watch when it would look like a knockoff compared to the Edition?
 
Don't know why you would be shocked, there have been many new Apple products that were in short supply at launch. Apple watch is only just now catching up with demand.

That was sarcasm. Analysts always predict production delays with new products whether there actually are any or not.
 
It makes ZERO sense to make fake yellow and rose gold sport models.

Why? Anodizing adds fun to the line.

I don't think they'll do it right away (partly because, until the aWatch line is established and its's full range of abilities is understood, they are playing the "we are a serious luxury timepiece" game) but at some point, maybe around the fourth model, we'll get the Sports models in a range of colors, like iPod nano's.
I, for one, think it would be great to have a blue anodized Sport, which would go well with my blue band. (And, if one goes in for band variety, would also match a black and a white band.)
 
Exactly.



Who would be able to tell apart a Rolex from a cheap, gold-plated counterfeit at such a distance? And who would care? You buy the watch because you appreciate the quality and materials and have the money to spend. People with an eye for such quality will undoubtedly recognise the difference. The point is: there is nothing wrong with offering a gold-coloured Sport edition, it will not eat the sales of, or devalue, the Edition watches. They are only indistinguishable when looking from a distance, but that is all. The argument would only make sense if people were willing to buy the Edition watch just for the golden colour and that is silly.

Does Rolex sell cheap, gold-plated counterfeits as well? Following your line of argumentation they would...
People buy the Edition watch to demonstrate their wealth and that doesn't work if anybody can have a gold watch.
 
Personally I think Apple already has too many Apple Watch choices. And even with all the choices they don't offer what I'd consider (Apple Sport aluminum but with Black band). They would have done better to sell them without the band to begin with (and made them less $) or sell them at the same price with a $50 credit (assumed to be used to get a band).

This will come. People are so short-sighted about this.
The current aWatch is the FIRST version of a NEW product category. This means Apple has to hold the public's hand every step of the way, show them how the new device is useful, and protect them from making errors they will regret.

But over two or three years, once we start seeing Apple watches in movies and in sitcoms, and it's clear that people understand the full concept (what it means to have a wrist computer, not just a fancy digital watch) they'll start to relax the rules on how you buy it, and the process will switch to something more like how you buy a phone today --- buy the iPhone model you want and buy the case (ie the colored accessory that adds your personalization) separately, from Apple or someone else --- and likewise for the watch body and strap.
 
I actually think the opposite of you. Why is anyone going to pay for a 'gold' Sport watch when it would look like a knockoff compared to the Edition?

Why? Basic Economics 101; the supply demand balance is better. In other words, because they can afford it. Gold is a very popular color in China and some other Asian markets. Buying $10K watches is not a commodity activity there (and in the vast majority of the rest of the world). Apple can probably sell about 1000x as many $300-400 gold colored watches as $10K gold ones.

It is just a color. Whether the watch is made out of Gold is separate issue.
 
We have to remember that even Ming-Chi Kuo does not have a perfect track record.

Why did he not mention anything about the iPad Air 3 or iPad Pro? Did he forget, or does he simply not know and does not want to guess what Apple will do to lower his record (at least for the iPad Air 3, I know he's predicted the iPad Pro before).

It may be technically difficult to bring Force Touch to the larger screen of an iPad, not to mention the iPad Pro. (Eg it works but unevenly across the entire screen.)
But it also looks bad to bring the iPad Pro to market without the iOS UI that is expected to become standard going forward.
So Apple may be delaying the iPad updates until they've figured out how to do Force Touch/haptics right on such a large slab of glass. This is not all bad. Right now their work flow (and cash flow) is massively unbalanced, with most sales happening from September to January. If the shift iPad updates to say February, and maintain that date from now onward, they can start to rebalance their cash flow.
 
Does Rolex sell cheap, gold-plated counterfeits as well? Following your line of argumentation they would...
People buy the Edition watch to demonstrate their wealth and that doesn't work if anybody can have a gold watch.

No, of course not, that is besides the point. People buy Rolex watches because they are real, are hand-crafted and made with expensive materials. You don't refuse to buy one because counterfeits exist and people might think that the watch you are wearing is not the real deal. Only people who wouldn't be able to disti Same with a golden-coloured Apple Watch Sport. Even if I would accept that people would buy the Edition watch for status alone, which I don't, having an Apple Watch Sport does not undermine that status. It is far too expensive for that and people who buy it likely have expensive clothes, go to expensive restaurants and have an expensive car. The sheer fact alone that you can afford and wear it and that it's a limited edition is what makes this a status item, not the fact that it looks unique. Finally, the Apple Watch Sport has a completely different finish, it is matte and not shiny. That alone refutes the point of confusion.
 
any news on Skylake macbooks?

Also, can't believe there is no iPad upgrade. I have been waiting a year for nothing?
 
It may be technically difficult to bring Force Touch to the larger screen of an iPad, not to mention the iPad Pro. (Eg it works but unevenly across the entire screen.)
But it also looks bad to bring the iPad Pro to market without the iOS UI that is expected to become standard going forward.
So Apple may be delaying the iPad updates until they've figured out how to do Force Touch/haptics right on such a large slab of glass. This is not all bad. Right now their work flow (and cash flow) is massively unbalanced, with most sales happening from September to January. If the shift iPad updates to say February, and maintain that date from now onward, they can start to rebalance their cash flow.
I wonder how people would react if the iPad was moved to Spring releases as it originally was?
 
WHY is anyone going to pay for a Watch Edition if you can get a 'gold' watch for so much less?

I don't think we need more actual watch colors, as much as we should have more band options.. and not forcing us to buy a certain band with a certain watch.
Those markets where apple is looking to massively sell them cannot afford the 10k one but will go nuts for anything that looks golden.
 
No, of course not, that is besides the point. People buy Rolex watches because they are real, are hand-crafted and made with expensive materials. You don't refuse to buy one because counterfeits exist and people might think that the watch you are wearing is not the real deal. Only people who wouldn't be able to disti Same with a golden-coloured Apple Watch Sport. Even if I would accept that people would buy the Edition watch for status alone, which I don't, having an Apple Watch Sport does not undermine that status. It is far too expensive for that and people who buy it likely have expensive clothes, go to expensive restaurants and have an expensive car. The sheer fact alone that you can afford and wear it and that it's a limited edition is what makes this a status item, not the fact that it looks unique. Finally, the Apple Watch Sport has a completely different finish, it is matte and not shiny. That alone refutes the point of confusion.

There are Rolexes that are neither hand-crafted nor made with expensive materials. But still they don't sell golden fakes.
I can't discuss the finish of non-existing products, btw.
 
I don't see a redesign happening. If a complete iMac redesign was only a year away, they would have waited to release the Retina 5K iMac until the new design was ready. The fact that the retina 5K iMac was completely unchanged from normal iMac made it pretty clear that no major redesign is happening for awhile.

This hinges on the unmotivated assumption that Apple could wait for 5K until later. Having a "Retina" ( 5K) is aligned with Apple's moves toward an all Retina line up. It is at least as likely that the 5K was jammed into the current design because Apple needed to get Retina out the door. What is present is not an optimized design. The thermal workload the 5K and associated GPUs require is not matched to the current design.

Because the CPU was stalled, Apple had increased pressure to differentiate on display sooner rather than later. Apple needed to crank up volume of 5K displays sooner rather than later so the components costs for that screen pixel density could drop low enough so they can could roll out "Retina" across the iMac line sooner rather than later.

If Apple takes both the smaller ( 21.5"-23" ) and larger ( 27") iMacs Retina that would be a window to change the design that is more optimally matched to the new component demands. There was substantially less timing alignment when only tweaking the top end display on less than "half" of the iMac line up.
 
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Apple has no way to go with the Apple Watch. It is a failure because of the wrong marketing. They Apple watch was the product with more exposure and advertisement Apple ever had, not even the iPod nor the iPhone or any iMac. For the little it does and the impractical and no fashionable, Apple is trying hard to pretend it is a success... if I had a penny the times I have seen that in my field.

They should have released it as they did with the iPod (look for the iPod keynote), with no pretensions and let it get track itself. Not to mention the screen is tiny and clumsy, the bigger the better and more fun. Personally I like them big.


I'm not so sure the the numbers make it a "failure" for a smart watch or, hell, just a watch.

How many watches can sell 4 million units in less than as many months, without even being fully launched worldwide?
 
Does Rolex sell cheap, gold-plated counterfeits as well? Following your line of argumentation they would...
People buy the Edition watch to demonstrate their wealth and that doesn't work if anybody can have a gold watch.

No, but knockoff Rolexes do not stop Rolex from selling watches. Rolex has a ton of variety within their product lines. One model can look the same as another, from a distance, but their prices can be 10-20k apart.

And, Rolex still sells both models.
 
There are Rolexes that are neither hand-crafted nor made with expensive materials. But still they don't sell golden fakes.

Sorry, but you are jumping from argument to argument without addressing the other points. Ironically, your point that Rolex does have cheaper, non-handcrafted Rolex watches obviously means that it must be worth their while to produce more expensive ones as well. What could be the reason to sell golden and hand-crafted watches in addition to those when people are unable to distinguish them from afar? The reason is simple: some people like spending good money on pristine quality and exclusivity.

I can't discuss the finish of non-existing products, btw.

Right... You started with: "How STUPID would apple be to make a gold/rose gold sports watch? Does anybody think anyone would buy an edition watch, if they are nearly indistinguishable from a sports watch?" You entered the discussion yourself with that claim, so don't retract now by saying that it's all speculative. Moreover, based on Apple's current and previous use of these materials: aluminium has a matte finish, whereas stainless steel has always been shiny. Unless they start using completely different finishes now, the assumption goes in favour of a matte gold finish as well, just like Apple uses for the iPhone and the new MacBook.

Either way, I don't think it is fruitful to continue this line of discussion.
 
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