Who's "everyone"? I don't remember anyone laughing about that. I know I wasn't. I was asking why Apple was ceding the entire creative tablet market to Microsoft and Wacom. I guess it's just not a large enough market for them to pursue.
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Apple Predicted to Launch Optional Stylus Accessory Alongside 12.9-Inch 'iPad Pro'
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It may not be the perfect size for an iPhad but it is the perfect size for an iPhone.
Sigh... Steve is rolling over in his grave
How would you know??? For all we know, if Steve was alive today, he would be holding one in his hands right now, giddy with the anticipation of making money off it in a few months.
Not sure if you quoted right, but we were simply talking about the size of the iPad.
Tell that to the millions of people who bought an iPhone 6 or 6 plus. Not everyone likes what you like and SJ knew that if the market was changing, it would be best to change with it.
Enjoy your small iPhone 5, but don't hold your opinion about size as factual.
Stylus on that day is useless. It was just used to points icons and key. With your finger right now you dont need that stylus.
I believe this stylus will act like a real pen. You
Pad will be a paper.. since it becomes thinner and thinner.. "okey notebook.. not paper" and this Pen will be your pen.Imagine that... we live now in Age of Battery.
Apple better do the iPad "Pro" right -- that surface is looking better and better...
Laugh at them. Goes either way for any kind of idiot that argues and mocks over a ..... phone....
How Millennial of those youngsters. They cough up the bug bucks to Sammy, or Apple etc... and defend them, they have issues they need sorted out. Depends on your circle I guess, we had some dude trying to do that, (I don't recall which phone he was circle jerking, and didn't care) he was laughed at by a decent sized group. Never said anything again. One was fixed on this day.
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How is it half baked for tablets? How is the OS itself bad for tablets? Don't talk about app numbers, talk about the OS. Don't talk about app quality, talk about the OS.
Yes, I think it's important to realize there the iPad Pro would definitely be serving a different market than other iPads have. Apple is moving into more enterprise markets, and for very detailed work, they are smart enough to know that a finger is not precise enough. It's never been about a finger or a stylus, it's always been about the best pointing device for the job, and in 2007, the finger was the perfect pointing device. Now the market has matured. The sophistication and capability of the device has changed... so a stylus will enable it that much more. #realism.
It's awful hard to separate the apps from the OS because without them you are left dealing with the desktop side of things which they've made 'ok' for touch, but still nothing like a system that was designed with that as the primary input method. Desktop apps don't have access to the notification system. They can't operate in the background once the screen goes off on a device like the SP3 (try to play music from any source other than Xbox music while you do something else, you can't).
Getting into the OS itself, desktop apps that we are tied to because there are no developers for Touch aren't designed around battery optimization, so they frequently sabotage the battery life by preventing the device from going into its lowest power mode, draining your battery when the device should be idle.
Half the settings are set in touch side, half in desktop, some in both. Internet Explorer is effectively the only Touch optimized browser, yet I have to maintain two separate browsers, one for desktop, one for touch, even though they actually share much of the same code base and in fact some settings for the Touch side have to be controlled through desktop IE.
There is no real notification system for Touch - you get popups and completely useless icons on the lock screen (limit of 5 though!) that give you no real information. iOS and Android both have powerful notification areas that developers can tie into. No such thing on Windows.
Very very few devices support Connected Standby which is the only way the device can be kept up to date while sleeping without consuming an exorbitant amount of power. Only Touch apps can work during Connected Standby, but again, because there are no apps to be had, this feature is of extremely limited value. Any desktop processes you have open are also extremely likely to keep Connected Standby in its highest power state, draining your battery at the rate of 5-10% per hour. An iPad can work for an hour or two on 10% battery, and sit in standby for a full day or more. It's consistent.
Again, I actually really like Windows 8.1 and think Microsoft is on the right track. The SP3 is a great tablet for someone who really wants a lightweight laptop and would like a stylus. I pretty much own it exclusively for the stylus and OneNote which are two things they have done very well with it (although even their own OneNote touch app is woefully limited).
Look out Wacom?
You know, I always wondered why Apple never bought Wacom when I'm sure a huge number of people that bother to buy the devices use them with Apple products.
I think my graphic designer wife would be interested in a larger tablet with a stylus if it was more than just a toy. She was actually intrigued with the windows Surface but she is a dedicated Apple person now who cringes at the thought of having to use windows. Maybe this device will catch more people like her.
Personally, I think using a stylus on phones is dumb and the person I know who has a Samsung Note says he never uses it. However, on a decent sized tablet it could actually be useful if it ends up being high quality/precise.
You know, I always wondered why Apple never bought Wacom when I'm sure a huge number of people that bother to buy the devices use them with Apple products.
I think my graphic designer wife would be interested in a larger tablet with a stylus if it was more than just a toy. She was actually intrigued with the windows Surface but she is a dedicated Apple person now who cringes at the thought of having to use windows. Maybe this device will catch more people like her.
Personally, I think using a stylus on phones is dumb and the person I know who has a Samsung Note says he never uses it. However, on a decent sized tablet it could actually be useful if it ends up being high quality/precise.
Unless the iPad Pro can run osx programs it will be another toy like the rest of the iPads. iPad is a beautiful device. I don't how Apple has done absolutely nothing productive with it. It is a giant iPhone.
Having a stylus is just putting a band aid on a wound.
But in the end people will eat this up as usually.
Having a stylus is just putting a band aid on a wound.
But in the end people will eat this up as usually.
Draw on a different device. I don't see why the iPad should have this functionality. The iPad is about simplicity. Trying to overcomplicate things will affect the user experience in general.
So, if a minority wants to draw on their device (and I am sure most consumers do not care about drawing), they should look for other solutions.
This has been Apple's philosophy for the last 15 years. I don't know if they are changing it now. If they indeed offer a stylus, then obviously they are..That is why I wrote about Steve.
Apple doesn't cover niche markets anymore. At least not the Apple I know.
Which is going to make things very boring and stale. You can still have simplicity with more fuctionality. At least other companies are willing to create niche products so we can have a little variety.
With the iPod touch, iPhone and iPad they basically have the same device in a few different sizes. A little more then that would be cool. They are not bad devices my any mean, I just think they need to add some more features into one of them.
A) I have not had any reason to use the desktop settings, or the desktop IE for that matter. The only thing I use the desktop for centers around gaming.
B) You are right about notifications, but we're supposedly getting something soon that will fix that. I don't know if it will tie into desktop apps or not, but it most likely
C) Stop going on about how there are 'no apps', that isn't true.
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The ultraportable laptop is a niche market.
The Mac Pro would be a better example. A $3000+ workstation geared mainly towards the high end A/V crowd. You don't get much more niche than that.
edit: and the 5k Retina iMac. Don't know where that guy gets off claiming Apple doesn't do niche anymore. Their flagship PCs almost cater to them exclusively.
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there are no mysteries here, as to surprise the iPad world with a stylus. it'd rather be senselessly ridiculous not to include a stylus with a giant iPad Pro, when handwriting on the notepad without implementing the stylus would be impossible. you just can't handwrite on the notepad utilizing your 2 inches wide fingertip. realistically impossible.
So you would rather technology just stop, so we can limit certain interactions to our computer (that can very practically be applied to a tablet or even a smartphone) because you don't think other people should use a stylus to mark up PDFs on their iPad?? Because eight years ago Steve Jobs said something that is now taken grossly out of context?
When the iPad 2 came out, I had a friend who bought one and found a good PDF markup app which he used, with a stylus, to take notes on the hotels he had to review for his job. Yes, the iPad 2. Back when Steve Jobs was alive. Interestingly enough, Steve Jobs never contacted him and asked him to stop using his iPad for inappropriate usage scenarios, nor did he tell my friend that he should put his iPad away, take his notes on a yellow legal pad, and do any markups at home on his computer instead of doing things he'd rather be doing when he wasn't on the job.
Tell me, please, how drawing, writing and marking up documents are not appropriate for a tablet computer with a touch screen on it? Also, remember "Think different?" Explain how "Use a computer with a mouse. Steve knew what usage scenarios are valid for a tablet and what for a desktop computer." fits in with that ideology.
I don't know if people like you understand this, but Steve Jobs is dead. We can't hear his thoughts about the current tech industry (READ: eight years after Steve Jobs said "yech!!" on stage towards the stylus) because he is no longer around to give them.
Let's also keep in mind that the topic here is a rumor that Apple is releasing a DIFFERENT iPad that might include a stylus that DOES NOT HAVE TO BE USED AT ALL. Apple is not canceling all other iPads in lieu of a huge one with a stylus. Apple is also not paratrooping into your household to take your iPad away and replace it with one that requires a stylus. If there is an iPad Pro, there will still be an iPad Air and (I hope) an iPad Mini. There will also be the iPhone 6 Plus which, in spite of being a much larger phone, does not incorporate a stylus.
So I have great news: Apple will most likely never hold a gun to your head and require you to buy something you don't want to buy.
Also, as somebody else on here already pointed out, Apple started taking out patents for a stylus in 2010. Fun fact about 2010: Steve Jobs was alive and the CEO of Apple that year.